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Phizik : 60 2021 . : 24 | >> kbg_dnepr 6 2022 13:39 Checked on Filae, nothing coherent. When were they born/died/etc. ? (period) I'll ask on a french forum, there is a database for naturalisation but you have to pay to access it, i'll tell you what i find ! | | (1) |
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: 4372 | Dear Phizik, thank you very much for the effort.  In fact, I don't know, if there is a black cat in this dark room: - were they naturalized??? - under what name? I can't imagine somebody naming oneself in France Chtcherbets  - Maybe Cherbets, Tcherbets, Ivanidi ... Or should the person only have the real name??? ---
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Phizik: 60 2021 . : 24 | kbg_dnepr : [q] Cher Phizik , merci beaucoup pour l'effort.
En fait, je ne sais pas, s'il y a un chat noir dans cette pièce sombre :
- ont-ils été naturalisés ???
- sous quel nom ?
Je ne peux pas imaginer quelqu'un se nommer en France Chtcherbets - Peut-être Cherbets, Tcherbets, Ivanidi ... Ou la personne ne devrait-elle avoir que le vrai nom ???[/q]
No problem, it's totally normal after alllllll you did to help me ! If i can help, just ask  So, from the people that i asked to, nobody was naturalized with this family name. I'll try to dig a little bit deeper to see if we can still find something on the naturalisation idea. Furthermore, to investigate more precisely and get better results, we need some details about them. If you have no dates, you have at least the period they lived ? Maybe where they went in France? (why?) How long they stayed? Anything you have, i'll take it ! | | (1) |
Phizik: 60 2021 . : 24 | jimmy : [q] Salut!
S'il vous plaît, aidez-moi à déchiffrer un autre acte de naissance.[/q]
In French : "Le neuf mai mil neuf cent quatorze à neuf heure du soir est née rue Chaliques 19 bis, Mathilde, du sexe féminin, de Isaac Habramovitch, quarante trois ans, peintre et de Sarah Kabelliac, quarante deux ans sans profession son épouse, domiciliés rue de l'Hôtel de ville 20. Dressé par nous le douze mai mil neuf cent quatorze à dix heures et demie du matin, sur présentation de l'enfant et déclaration faite à défaut du père, par Pierre DEFFOR (not sure about the family name), trente cinq ans, employé, demeurant rue chaliques 19 bis ayant assisté à l'accouchement. En présence de Alphonse LABEROU et de Marcel PIVONNE, employés, demeurant même adresse, qui, lecture faite, ont signé avec le déclarant et nous Faustin Emile CAILLETTE, adjoint au maire du douzième arrondissement de Paris." (you can try to google translate, there is a little summary ) : Birth of Mathilde the 9th of may 1914 at 21h00. Daughter of Isaac HABRAMOVITCH (43 years old, Painter) and Sarah KABELLIAC (42 years old, without profession). They lived 20, Rue de l'Hôtel de ville, Paris 12ème ("Hôtel de ville" meaning "city hall", so they probably lived near the city hall !). Side information : the father wasn't present to declare his child (maybe he was with the mother..?). If you need any more details, do not hesitate to ask !  | | (2) |
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: 4372 | Dear Phizik,
Fedor (Feodor, Fyodor, Theodor) Grigorievich (Grigoriev, Grigorievitch) Scerbec (Scherbec, ... army officer?) was born 1885 in Ekaterinoslav,
wife Anastasia (born Ivanidi), daughters Lidia, Nadezhda (Nadia), Vera
went 1921 to Yugoslavia, then to France and then maybe to Amerika.
As it is not sure that they were naturalized in France, I'd say, let it be by what you have already done. Thank you very much!
The guy searching them seems to have found a trace in Amerika. ---
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