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| David Ó÷àñòíèê
Ãåðìàíèÿ, Ãàíîâåð
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Ðàçûñêèâàþ òåõ, ÷üè ïðåäêè ïðîæèâàëè â Âèçåíôåëüäå(Wiesenfeld) Ýðëåíáàõñêîãî(Êàìåíñêîãî) êàíòîíà Ðåñïóáëèêè Íåìöåâ Ïîâîëæüÿ. Âñåì, êòî èñêðåííå çàíÿò ïîèñêîì âñåãî ÷òî ñâÿçàíî ñ Íåì. Ïîâîëæüåì, ïîìîãó ÷åì îáëàäàþ! Ãëàâíûå âåòâè Äðåâà Áëåì, Ëàíã, Âèíòåð, Îáëåíäåð, Ìàéåð. Åùå ïðåäîñòàâëÿþ ñïèñêè íåì. ôàìèëèé âñòðå÷àþùèõñÿ â ìîåì ðîäîñëîâíîì äðåâå. Î íåêîòîðûõ èçâåñòíà òîëüêî ôàìèëèÿ, î äðóãèõ áîëüøå â çàâèñèìîñòè îò ñòåïåíè ðîäñòâà. Àéçåí, Áåêêåð, Áîðãäîðô, Áðàóí, Áðåíêìàí, Âàçåìèëëåð, Âàíäëåð, Âåêåññåð, Âîëüô, Ãààê, Ãàëëåð, Ãàóê, Ãåáåëü, Ãåìáóõ, Ãåíòëåð, Ãåõò, Ãîðèõ, Ãðàóáåðãåð, Ãðîññ, Ãóáåð, Ãóäøìèäò, Äåðìåð, Åññå, Çîìåðôåëüä, Èîñ, Êàéëü, Êåéá, Êîðï, Êèëüõ, Êèïïåñ, Êëåìïôåð, Êîîï, Êðàóáåðã, Ëàóáãàí, Ëåíåøìèäò, Ëåéíâåáåð, Ëèòàó, Ìàðòåëü, Ìàòóñ, Ìåðê, Ìèëëåð, Íîéìàí, Îáåðäîðôåð, Ïàóëü, Ïèíåêåð, Ðàéö, Ðàóõ, Ðåéòåð, Ðèáåëü, Ðîëüãîéçåð, Ñóïïåñ, Òàóáåðò, Òåâñ, Òèññåí, Ôðåéìàí, Ôðèöëåð, Õàéíáèõíåð, Õèëüäåðìàí, Öâåöèõ, Öèãëåð, Øàéáåëü, Øàóýð, Øâàðö, Øååë, Øåôíåð, Øèåíôåëüä, Øèëüáåðò, Øëîòõàâð, Øíàéäåð, Øíàéäò, Øíåéäåð, Øòàéìåö, Øòàéíãàóýð, Øòàíã, Øòèáåí, Øòðåáåëü, Øòðèêåð, Øòóìïô, Øóòö, Ùóëüö, Ýãîâ, Ýêøòàéí, ßêîáè, ßíöåí. Ñ óâàæåíèåì, David | | |
| chandr_se Ó÷àñòíèê
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31 îêòÿáðÿ 2022 17:44 Äîáðûé äåíü. Ìîè Äåðèíãè èç Íîðêè, íî â ïåðèîä ñ 1900 æèëè â Ñàðàòîâå, ãäå è ðîäèëñÿ ïðàäåä Ôðèäðèõ â 1902 ãîäó. Ïðèáëèçèòåëüíî â 1920 ãîäó îí æåíèëñÿ íà Åëåíå Àíäðååâíå Ãåðëàõ. Ïî ðàññêàçàì äåòåé îíà ðîäîì òîæå èç Íîðêè. Ïðîêóðàòóðà Êàçàõñòàíà îòâåòèëà, ÷òî ñîãëàñíî àðõèâíîé ñïðàâêå îíà óðîæåíêà ñåëà Íîðêè Áàëüöåðîâñêîãî ðàéîíà 1903 ãîäà ðîæäåíèÿ. Âîçìîæíî, îïÿòü æå ïî ðàññêàçàì, îíà 1901 ãîäà ðîæäåíèÿ. ÃÈÀÍÏ ïî êíèãàì ïðèõîæàí â ñåëå Íîðêà óðîæäåííûõ Åëåí, Õåëåí, Ìàãäàëåí â ýòîò ïåðèîä â ñåìüÿõ Ãåðëàõ íå íàøåë. Ôàìèëèÿ ðàñïðîñòðàí¸ííàÿ äîñòàòî÷íî. Ïî ðååñòðó äîìîâëàäåëüöåâ 1913 ãîäà â Ñàðàòîâå æèëà ñåìüÿ Àíäðåÿ Ãåðëàõ. Êòî-òî èìååò âîçìîæíîñòü ïðîñìîòðà êîïèé öåðêîâíûõ çàïèñåé ïî ëþòåðàíàì ã. Ñàðàòîâà? Íà âîëãàäîé÷å áûëî ïðåäëîæåíèå, íî ñåé÷àñ äîñòóïà íåò ê ñàéòó. | | |
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31 îêòÿáðÿ 2022 19:44 chandr_se íàïèñàë: [q] Ãåðëàõ[/q]
 ìåòðè÷åñêèõ êíèãàõ Îìñêîé ëþòåðàíñêîé êîíñèñòîðèè ïî ôàìèëèè Gerlach åñòü ñëåäóþùèå ïåðñîíû: Johannes (1912), Amalia(1901), Alexander (1900), Anna (1899).  ñêîáêàõ ãîäû ðîæäåíèÿ. | | |
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16 íîÿáðÿ 2022 5:30 16 íîÿáðÿ 2022 5:31 Áåð-Ãëèíêà íàïèñàë: [q] Òàê âåäü åñòü ò.í. ñïèñêè Èâàíà Êóëüáåðãà (Ñïèñêè êîëîíèñòîâ,ïðèáûâøèõ â Ðîññèþ â 1766 ã. «Ðàïîðòû Èâàíà Êóëüáåðãà» àâòîð Èãîðü Ïëåâå 2010 ã.), ò.å. ñïèñêè ïåðâûõ 20 000 êîëîíèñòîâ, ïî êîëîíèÿì, ñ óêàçàíèåì ìåñò âûáûòèÿ.
Ïîèùèòå ïîèñêîâèêîì, çäåñü íàéäåòå àâòîðà, êîòîðûé ïðîäàåò êíèãó, èëèêîãî-òî, êòî âàì ïîñìîòðèò â êíèãå âàøó ôàìèëèþ. [/q]
Äîðîãèå ôîðóì÷àíå! Êòî ìîæåò ïîñìîòðåòü íàëè÷èå ôàìèëèè Ëåéõòëèíã/Leichtling â ñïèñêàõ Êóëüáåðãà è íàïèñàòü ñâåäåíèÿ? Åñëè ôàìèëèÿ òàì åñòü, òî óêàæèòå çàîäíî, ïîæàëóéñòà, èñòî÷íèê (ôîíä, îïèñü, äåëî, ëèñò) èíôîðìàöèè.  | | |
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ÐÎÒÃÀÌÌÅËÜ/ROTHAMMEL (Ïàìÿòíîå), äî 1917 – Ñàðàòîâñêàÿ ãóá., Êàìûøèíñêèé ó., Íîðêñêèé êîëîí. îêð.; Îëåøèíñêàÿ âîë.; â ñîâ. ïåðèîä – ÀÑÑÐ ÍÏ, Ôðàíêñêèé (Ìåäâåäèöêî-Êðåñòîâî-Áóåðàêñêèé) ê-í/Ìåäâåäèöêèé (Ôðàíêñêèé) ð-í (â íàñò. âðåìÿ – Âîëãîãðàäñêàÿ îáë., Æèðíîâñêèé ð-í). Êàò. ñåëî, îñí. â 1767. Íà ïðàâ. áåðåãó ð. Ãîëûé Êàðàìûø, â 100 êì ê þãî-çàï. îò Ñàðàòîâà. Íàçâ. ïî ôàìèëèè ïåðâîãî ñòàðîñòû À. Ðîòãàììåëÿ. Îñíîâàòåëè – 30 ñåì. èç Ïôàëüöà. Âûçûâàòåëüñêàÿ êîëîíèÿ Äåáîôà. Êàò. ïðèõîäû Øóêê, Ðîòãàììåëü. Öåðêîâü (1824, 1910). Çåìëè 2900 äåñ. (1857; 94 ñåìüè), 5172 äåñ. (1910; 343 ñåìüè). 3 ìåëüíèöû, 2 ìàñëîáîéíè, ëàâêè. Çåìñê. øêîëà (1909). Âûåçäû æèò. â Àìåðèêó (1875-1901; 168 ÷åë.).  1921 ðîäèëèñü 53 ÷åë., óìåðëè – 17. Ñåëüñîâåò, êîîïåð. ëàâêà, íà÷. øêîëà, ïåðåäâèæ. áèá-êà (1926). Ê-çû èì. Áóäåííîãî, „Ðîòôåëüä“. Ìåñòî ðîæä. êàò. ïàòåðà Ô. Ðàó (1888-1937). Æèò.: 100 (1767), 133 (1773), 179 (1788), 215 (1798), 348 (1816), 557 (1834), 777 (1850), 1020 (1859), 1051 (1865), 1243 (1886), 1424 (1891), 1436/1420 íåì. (1897), 1563 (1905), 1790 (1911), 1732 (1920), 1543 (1922), 1785/1785 íåì. (1926), 2068/2068 íåì. (1931) Èñòî÷íèê: Íåìöû Ðîññèè: íàñåëåííûå ïóíêòû è ìåñòà ïîñåëåíèÿ: ýíöèêëîïåäè÷åñêèé ñëîâàðü / Ñîñò.: Â.Ô. Äèçåíäîðô. – Ì., “ÝÐÍ“, 2006. Ñ. 442. ---
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Òàê âåäü åñòü ò.í. ñïèñêè Èâàíà Êóëüáåðãà (Ñïèñêè êîëîíèñòîâ,ïðèáûâøèõ â Ðîññèþ â 1766 ã. «Ðàïîðòû Èâàíà Êóëüáåðãà» àâòîð Èãîðü Ïëåâå 2010 ã.), ò.å. ñïèñêè ïåðâûõ 20 000 êîëîíèñòîâ, ïî êîëîíèÿì, ñ óêàçàíèåì ìåñò âûáûòèÿ.
Ïîèùèòå ïîèñêîâèêîì, çäåñü íàéäåòå àâòîðà, êîòîðûé ïðîäàåò êíèãó, èëèêîãî-òî, êòî âàì ïîñìîòðèò â êíèãå âàøó ôàìèëèþ.
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Äîðîãèå ôîðóì÷àíå!
Êòî ìîæåò ïîñìîòðåòü íàëè÷èå ôàìèëèè Ëåéõòëèíã/Leichtling â ñïèñêàõ Êóëüáåðãà è íàïèñàòü ñâåäåíèÿ? Åñëè ôàìèëèÿ òàì åñòü, òî óêàæèòå çàîäíî, ïîæàëóéñòà, èñòî÷íèê (ôîíä, îïèñü, äåëî, ëèñò) èíôîðìàöèè.
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 Ñïèñêàõ Êóëüáåðãà èñòî÷íèê íå óêàçûâàåòñÿ. Óêàçûâàåòñÿ ñòðàíèöà â êíèãå È. Ïëåâå. Íîñèòåëü ôàìèëèè Ëÿéõòëèíã åäèíñòâåííûé. Èç 4õ òîìíèêà È. Ïëåâå. Íå Ñïèñêè Êóëüáåðãà. ò. 3. ñòð. 51. Ôîðøòåãåð (ñòàðîñòà). Ïðèáûë â êîëîíèþ Ëÿéõòëèíã 20.06.1767 ã. Leichtling, Michael, 36, kat, from Stuttgart. wife: Elisabetha Adrian, 34 daughter: Anna Maria, 2 È ñêàí îðèãèíàëà èç Ðåâèçèè 1767 ã. Êîë.Ëÿéõòëèíã.
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16 íîÿáðÿ 2022 8:52 Êîíñòàíòèí68 íàïèñàë: [q] íàëè÷èå ôàìèëèè Ëåéõòëèíã/Leichtling[/q]
Leichtling Spelling Variations: Leichtling Ëåéõòëèíãú Settled in the Following Colonies: Fischer Leichtling Marienfeld Discussion & Documentation: Michael Leichtling, a farmer, his wife Elisabeth Adrian, and daughter (age 2) are recorded on the 1767 census of Leichtling in Household No. 1. They had settled there on 20 June 1767. It is after Michael Leichtling that the colony of Leichtling took its name. Michael Leichtling is recorded on the 1798 census of Leichtling in Household No. Lg02 along with a note that he and his family are actually in the colony of Fischer where he is working at the mill. Paul Leichtling from Leichtling and his family are recorded on the 1857 census of Marienfeld. The 1767 census records that Michael Leichtling came from the German region of Stuttgart. | | |
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16 íîÿáðÿ 2022 17:46 18 íîÿáðÿ 2022 4:54 Êîíñòàíòèí68 è WaldemarKeer, ýòî îíè, îãðîìíîå ñïàñèáî Âàì!  Çíà÷èò, â ñïèñêàõ Êóëüáåðãà ñåìüÿ íå âñòðå÷àåòñÿ? Êàê æå âûéòè íà êîðàáåëüíûå ñïèñêè è ãäå èõ íàéòè? | | |
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Ìîÿ ôàìèëèÿ Jessen Åññåí. Íàøëà èíôîðìàöèþ ó Ïëåâå, ÷òî â ñåíòÿáðå 1767 ãîäà â Øòàëü ïåðåñåëèëñÿ Jacob Jessen ñ æåíîé èç äàòñêîé äåðåâíè Schlouchs. Íîìåð õîçÿéñòâà 29. Áîëüøå â èíäåêñå òàêèõ è ïîäîáíûõ ôàìèëèé íå áûëî.
Ìîé äåä Åññåí Àâãóñò Ïåòðîâè÷ Jessen August Peter ðîäèëñÿ òàì æå, â Øòàëè, â 1914 ãîäó.
Áàáóøêà Çàéëåð/ Çåéëåð/ Ñåéëåð Àëèòà Ïåòðîâíà Seiler Alita Peter òîæå ðîäèëàñü â Øòàëå â 1913 ãîäó (âèäèìî, Çàéëåðû ïåðååõàëè èç äðóãîãî êàíòîíà, ïåðâîíà÷àëüíî íàøëà ýòó ôàìèëèþ â Ëàóáå è Äîðãàðäå) .
Ïîäñêàæèòå, êóäà êîïàòü è ìîæåò ó êîãî-òî åñòü èíôîìàöèÿ ïî ýòèì ôàìèëèÿì.
Ïî Åññåíûì ìû ñ äðóãèìè Åññåíûìè ñîñòàâèëè òðè âåòêè, êîòîðûå âîñõîäÿò ê ïðåäêàì ïîêîëåíèÿ ìîåãî ïðàäåäà Ïåòåðà. (Íî ïî íåìó åñòü òîëüêî èìÿ). Äàëüøå ïîêà íå íàøëè.
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Ìîÿ ôàìèëèÿ Jessen Åññåí. Íàøëà èíôîðìàöèþ ó Ïëåâå, ÷òî â ñåíòÿáðå 1767 ãîäà â Øòàëü ïåðåñåëèëñÿ Jacob Jessen ñ æåíîé èç äàòñêîé äåðåâíè Schlouchs. Íîìåð õîçÿéñòâà 29. Áîëüøå â èíäåêñå òàêèõ è ïîäîáíûõ ôàìèëèé íå áûëî.
Ìîé äåä Åññåí Àâãóñò Ïåòðîâè÷ Jessen August Peter ðîäèëñÿ òàì æå, â Øòàëè, â 1914 ãîäó.
Áàáóøêà Çàéëåð/ Çåéëåð/ Ñåéëåð Àëèòà Ïåòðîâíà Seiler Alita Peter òîæå ðîäèëàñü â Øòàëå â 1913 ãîäó (âèäèìî, Çàéëåðû ïåðååõàëè èç äðóãîãî êàíòîíà, ïåðâîíà÷àëüíî íàøëà ýòó ôàìèëèþ â Ëàóáå è Äîðãàðäå) .
Ïîäñêàæèòå, êóäà êîïàòü è ìîæåò ó êîãî-òî åñòü èíôîìàöèÿ ïî ýòèì ôàìèëèÿì.
Ïî Åññåíûì ìû ñ äðóãèìè Åññåíûìè ñîñòàâèëè òðè âåòêè, êîòîðûå âîñõîäÿò ê ïðåäêàì ïîêîëåíèÿ ìîåãî ïðàäåäà Ïåòåðà. (Íî ïî íåìó åñòü òîëüêî èìÿ). Äàëüøå ïîêà íå íàøëè.
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Êàêîé èìåííî Øòàëü? Èõ áûëî äâà. Øòàëü-Òàðëûê è Øòàëü-Êàðàìàí.  Ðåâèçèÿõ 1857 ãîäà ïî ýòèì ñåëàì íåò òàêîé ôàìèëèè. Ó Ïëåâå â ò. 4 â Øòàëü Òàïëûê åñòü 29 õîçÿéñòâî ßêîá Åøò ïî ðóññêè çàïèñàí, â îðèãèíàëå, äóìàþ, òàê è åñòü, à âîò ïî÷åìó òàêàÿ òðàíñêðèïöèÿ ýòîé ôàìèëèè íåïîíÿòíî.  1798 è ïîçæå ýòà ñåìüÿ íå ïðîñëåæèâàåòñÿ â Òàðëûêå. ---
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27 íîÿáðÿ 2022 13:18 >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ Êîíñòàíòèí68 îò 27 íîÿáðÿ 2022 12:02 Øòàëü Òàðëûê Ïðèêëàäûâàþ, ÷òî íàøëà. Íå Åøò, èìåííî Åññåí. Â ÎÃÓ ÃÈÀÍÏ, ÎÀÔ-Ð-170-2-495, "Èìåííûå ñïèñêè æèòåëåé ñåë Âîëüñêîãî ðàéîíà íà 1922 ãîä", 220 ëèñòîâ åñòü ôàìèëèÿ Åññåí
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