Российские немцы

У меня до августа микрофильм 2098116 по фамилиям от Reschke, Bertha до Retterer, Kurt(депортированные в Германию). Может кому надо информацию.

Это фильм из серии EWZ57. Переселённые лица немецкой национальности размещались в переселенческих лагерях - Einwandererzentralstelle (EWZ). Таких лагерей было много. В основной массе они располагались на территории оккупированной Польши (Warthegau, Wartheland). Самый известный из них - Litzmannstadt (современный Лодзь). В результате процедуры приёма в этих лагерях, на этих людей заполнялись карточки. Тот, что у меня только на букву Р.

Дон Карлос написал:

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Первый раз слышу такую версию. На Одесса3 документы не на оставшихся, а на выехавших в пределы Рейха лиц немецкой национальности.

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Я это и имел в виду. Только я хотел сказать, что когда выехавшие в Германию русские немцы заполняли документы, то эта информация / о родителях, бабушках и тетушках/ тоже регистрировалась и появлялась в последствии в неожиданых документах. Так к примеру один и тотже человек фигурировал под разными номерами. Такое обьяснение встречалось мне в Интернете по вопросу о том, почему же всетаки в "Одессе 3" по одной и тойже личности - несколько различных номеров. Так я это понял. Постараюсь найти эту запись.

Дон Карлос написал:

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Не стоит. Что есть на Одесса3 мне известно очень хорошо. И ситуация с номерами тоже.

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И к чему все Ваши коментарии?


Дон Карлос написал:

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Не стоит. Что есть на Одесса3 мне известно очень хорошо. И ситуация с номерами тоже.

Так и обьясните народу, я "ОЧЕНЬ" даже рад узнать "ГОРЬКУЮ ПРАВДУ". Не пойму к чему такие коментарии.
Вы можете ведь просто поправить меня, очень даже верю что Вам все в "Одессе 3" хорошо известо.
не надо задираться

Дон Карлос написал:

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Для того rкомментарии и нужны, чтобы людей не вводить в заблуждение. Заявить, что на оставшихся людей есть документы в Германии - это ложный след, по которому многие могут пойти, обрадовавшись, что смогут что-то получить из Бундесархива. А зачем зря обнадёживать людей?

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WHAT IS EWZ? All re-settlers were “geschleusst” (processed—actually the word “geschleusst” cannot be accurately translated and it appears to have been a thorough evaluation). The re-settlers had to undergo thorough examinations to determine their health, their personal appearance, etc., and they had to fill out forms to prove their German origin. There appeared to be some discrimination against people of certain background in faith or those with handicaps (you may now and then find correspondence referencing such). When the emigrants (re-settlers) reached their camp of destination they may have had to wait weeks or months before they were to appear for the Durchschleussung as to where in the German Reich they would be infiltrated. While indexing I came across an interesting form which started out with the following regulation: “All resettlers over age 14 are required to fill out certain forms. In addition, they need to bring all available certificates,Russian passports, Ukrainian ID’s, ID’s of German origin list (Volkslist), birth and baptism records, and marriage records.” Many German re-settlers emigrated to other countries or if they were captured by the Russians, they were sent back to Russia or even sent to Siberia to work in labor camps. For many reasons, like instances stated above, these EWZ records may be the only information we have available on many families during the WWII era. Without these records, we may not ever know what happened to our families. The GRHS EWZ Clearing House Committee is currently indexing the following EWZ series: EWZ50—Former Soviet Union (Russia, Odessa, Beresan, Crimea, etc.) [there are 843 rolls of which about half have been indexed] EWZ51—Romania (includes Russia, Bukovina,Bessarabia, Dobrudscha) [there are 700 rolls and to date only a fraction (30) have been indexed] EWZ57—E/G Kartei (index cards – E (Einwanderung) Emigration and G (Gesundheit) Health cards [there are 1,964 rolls (17 indexed)] These are also available at LDS under different film numbers. EWZ58—Stammblaetter (family group sheets) - data by application numbers. There are 742 rolls (19 indexed). These are also available at LDS under different film numbers. The 57 and 58 series should be included when researching the 50 and 51 series because all series may not have the information that may be found within other series. The EWZ 50 and 51 series contain the forms ‘Stammblatt’ (pedigrees/family group charts) and can reflect 3 to 4 generations depending on the memory of theapplicant. The Stammblatt gives the father and mother, parents of both, grandparents of both and the children. Usually the grandparents do not have birth dates, and in some cases neither do parents or spouses. However, the Stammblatt are usually documented in reverse and may reveal missing data on the spouse’s Stammblatt. In addition you may find Stammblatter on the parents, even grandparents or the children. This widens the scope of the data and it is possible to find information with birth dates going back to the 1800’s. Other forms like ‘Personalblatt’ provide similar information. The Stammblatt and Personalblatt forms indicate the status of single, married, widowed, etc. with dates if known. The researcher can find information whether the person was living, deceased, shot, verschleppt [taken away], verbannt [banished], missing, serving as soldiers,last place of residence etc. There are forms called ‘Feststellung der Deutschstaemmigkeit’ [determination of German origin] family tree that shows ancestry (no dates) as to whether the persons are ethnic Germans or mixed nationalities. Other forms are health records, descriptions of the person, history of places lived in, their belongings, social status, etc. In a lot of instances you may find photographs of individuals. You may also find citizenship application forms called ‘Einbuergerungsantraege’ or a copy of citizenship certificate ‘Abschrift der Einbuergerungsurkunde’, the ‘Lebenslauf’ (history of life) ‘Hitler Jugend Umsiedler Personalkarte’ (Hitler Youth re-settler passport), ‘Volkstums Ausweis’, (Russian, Rumanian, etc., or German passports) and other correspondence. Most forms do have dates as to when they were processed, may give new ID numbers, old EWZ numbers, and may indicate to which ‘Herd’ (head of household) a person belongs to, and so on. Many forms, like the Stammblatt and Personalblatt are typed and easy to read – one does not need to know the German language fluently. The copy of Citizenship certificate for a family will show birth dates, birth places and current residence of the head of household. It only shows the wife’s maiden name and no birth date unless the certificate is issued to a widow. It does show the children’s birth dates and birthplaces. For a single person’s certificate the information is date of birth, birth place and current residence. Not in all cases will there be a Citizenship Certificate. It is possible that Citizenship was refused or that the particular document was not among the collected documents or the person had died, was taken away, banished or even may have chosen to remain in Russia. For the EWZ 50 and 51 series, NARA (National ) guides reflect the names of the person appearing on the first and last record on each microfilm. This may not always identify if a person of interest can be found on a film because a person could appear on a different film because of variants in spelling of the surname, or they may not be included at all. When we build indices, we use the forms which have the most pertinent information. Usually the Stammblatt or the Personalblatt and on occasion, if these forms are missing, we use the Citizenship certificate or the (which is a hand-written “life story” of the applicant) and sometimes contains birth data on family members. The purpose of indexing these EWZ records is to lead the researcher to the films and frames for a certain individual. Our criteria for this indexing project has been to only include persons for whom a birth date is provided. Indices save time for the researcher seeking lost or missing relatives. Also, indices can result in finding family information that otherwise may not be available elsewhere. The person using an EWZ index must go to the actual record to find such. The index does not reveal if any of these persons actually gained German citizenship, or had been taken away, were sent to Siberia, were deceased, were widowed, married, single, and so on. Most of such information can be found within the forms. There is a lot more information on these documents and they should be evaluated thoroughly. These EWZ files can bring families together,especially for those who did not come to America at the same time their relatives did. And for those who have relatives in Germany and were separated these records may provide clues. Though not everyone will gain from these records, those who are lucky to find their relative’s names included, will certainly be able to fill gaps within their family research. EWZ films can be purchased at the National Archives in Washington, DC. Each film costs $34.00 U.S. dollars and includes shipping (in USA). To see the indexing done thus far on EWZ films go to: http://www.odessa3.org/collections.html and select FULL TEXT SEARCH, type in the name of your ancestor and from the pull down menu select WAR RECORDS. You will also find indices for DAI records, as well as other war records.

Я не понимаю по английски и пользуюсь переводчиками в интернете, может быть Вы ьсможете лучше перевести, как я уже и писал, буду Вам даже благодарен. Никого не хотел ввести в заблуждение, прошу извенить. А Вас господин "Дон Карлос" попросил бы сбавить тон и заниматься воспитанием своих детей. Я не обязан десять раз перед Вами извиняться, хватит и одного раза.

De-Vi-Se91 написал:

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Я не обязан десять раз перед Вами извиняться, хватит и одного раза.

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Странно читать такое, если я Вас не просил извиняться, тем более, 10 раз.


De-Vi-Se91 написал:

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А Вас господин "Дон Карлос" попросил бы сбавить тон и заниматься воспитанием своих детей.

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Думаю, если Вы делаете кому-то замечание по поводу тона, то уж совсем неприлично при этом хамить. Я, слава Богу, Вам не хамил и даже не грубил.


De-Vi-Se91 написал:

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Я не понимаю по английски и пользуюсь переводчиками в интернете, может быть Вы ьсможете лучше перевести

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Не обязательно переводить даже весь текст. Достаточно перевести одно слово из первого предложения - re-settlers, которое означает "переселенец". Я именно об этом и писал уже, что это документы не на оставшихся, а на уехавших в пределы 3-го Рейха. Вот в этом вся разница, думаю, довольно существенная, ибо зачем людям писать в Германию и искать там сведения на своих родных, если они туда не уезжали.