Äîñòóï ê ðîññèéñêèì ìåòðèêàì íà familysearch.org çàêðûò

î.Âñåâîëîä ×àïëèí ïðèñëàë ïî ýëåêòðîííîé ïî÷òå êîîðäèíàòû þðèñòà ìîðìîíîâ:

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ß ïèñàë åìó ïèñüìî. Ïîïðîáóéòå ñâÿçàòüñÿ ñ íèì ïî àäðåñó
durhamc@attglobal.net è durhamc@lawgate.byu.edu , åñëè îíè íå óñòàðåëè.
Prof. W. Cole Durham çâàòü åãî.

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(Îãðîìíîå ñïàñèáî TatianaLGNN çà òî, ÷òî íàïîìíèëà î ïåðåïèñêå ñ î.Âñåâîëîäîì).

Åñòü èäåÿ îòîñëàòü âîïðîñû þðèñòó - ìîæåò áûòü, îí îòâåòèò íà íèõ.
Ê ïèñüìó ïðèëîæó êîïèþ îòâåòà çàìåñòèòåëÿ Ðóêîâîäèòåëÿ Ðîñàðõèâà çà ïîäïèñüþ Â.Ï.Òàðàñîâà.

Ïèñüìî ÿ ðàçäåëèëà íà äâå ÷àñòè. von_nachtigall, ïðîøó Âàñ, ïîæàëóéñòà, åñëè ìîæíî, ïåðåâåäèòå ïåðâóþ ÷àñòü íà àíãëèéñêèé, åñëè íàéäåòñÿ ó Âàñ âðåìÿ. À âòîðóþ ÷àñòü ñ êðàòêèì îïèñàíèåì ñèòóàöèè ÿ âçÿëà èç îòêðûòîãî ïèñüìà - òàì óæå åñòü ïåðåâîä.

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Çäðàâñòâóéòå!

Ïèøåò Âàì ïðåäñòàâèòåëü èíèöèàòèâíîé ãðóïïû ãðàæäàí Ðîññèéñêîé Ôåäåðàöèè Ìûñÿêèíà Åëåíà Ãåííàäüåâíà.

Ïîìîãèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, ðàçîáðàòüñÿ â íåïðîñòîì âîïðîñå: ïî÷åìó äî íàñòîÿùåãî âðåìåíè ìû, ãðàæäàíå Ðîññèè, íå èìååì âîçìîæíîñòè ïðîñìàòðèâàòü ðîññèéñêèå ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèå äîêóìåíòû íà ñàéòå familysearch.org?
×òî íåîáõîäèìî ñäåëàòü äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû êîíôëèêò ìåæäó ðîññèéñêèìè àðõèâèñòàìè è ðóêîâîäñòâîì Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîãî îáùåñòâà øòàòà Þòà ðàçðåøèëñÿ áû êàê ìîæíî ñêîðåå?
Èäóò ëè ñåé÷àñ ïåðåãîâîðû ìåæäó ïðåäñòàâèòåëÿìè Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîãî îáùåñòâà øòàòà Þòà è ðîññèéñêèìè àðõèâàìè, î ÷åì ñòîðîíû äîãîâîðèëèñü, à î ÷åì - íåò?
Áûëè ëè â íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ ïåðåäàíû îôèöèàëüíûå çàïðîñû â ðîññèéñêèå ðåãèîíàëüíûå àðõèâû è â Ðîññèéñêèé ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé èñòîðè÷åñêèé àðõèâ (ÐÃÈÀ) íà ïîëó÷åíèå ðàçðåøåíèÿ îïóáëèêîâàòü ðîññèéñêèå äîêóìåíòû íà ñàéòå familysearch.org â îòêðûòîì äîñòóïå? Åñëè ïîëó÷åíû îòðèöàòåëüíûå îòâåòû íà íèõ îò íàøèõ àðõèâèñòîâ, ïðîñèì ñäåëàòü ýòó èíôîðìàöèþ ïóáëè÷íîé.

Çàìåñòèòåëü Ðóêîâîäèòåëÿ Ôåäåðàëüíîãî àðõèâíîãî àãåíòñòâà Â.Ï.Òàðàñîâ â ñâîåì îòâåòå îò 17 àïðåëÿ 2013 ãîäà ¹ Ð/Ì-3044 ñîîáùàåò, ÷òî
"ðåøåíèå âîïðîñà îá îòêðûòèè äîñòóïà ê êîïèÿì ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèõ äîêóìåíòîâ, ðàçìåùåííûì íà ïîðòàëå familysearch.org, íàõîäèòñÿ â êîìïåòåíöèè îðãàíîâ óïðàâëåíèÿ àðõèâíûì äåëîì ñóáúåêòîâ Ðîññèéñêîé Ôåäåðàöèè, ãîñóäàðñòâåííûå àðõèâû êîòîðûõ ó÷àñòâîâàëè èëè ó÷àñòâóþò â ñîâìåñòíîì ñ Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîì îáùåñòâîì ïðîåêòå, è áóäåò çàâèñåòü îò òîãî, êàê áûñòðî Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîå îáùåñòâî ïåðåäàñò â ãîñóäàðñòâåííûå àðõèâû Ðîññèéñêîé Ôåäåðàöèè êîïèè íà DVD-äèñêàõ",
à òàê æå ÷òî
"â ñâÿçè ñ ðÿäîì îáúåêòèâíûõ ïðè÷èí ÐÎÈÀ ïðåêðàùàåò îêàçàíèå ïîñðåäíè÷åñêèõ óñëóã â äàííîì ïðîåêòå, òåì áîëåå, ÷òî â íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ íåò ïðåïÿòñòâèé äëÿ îôîðìëåíèÿ ïðåäñòàâèòåëÿìè Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîãî îáùåñòâà äîãîâîðíûõ îòíîøåíèé ñ ðåãèîíàëüíûìè àðõèâàìè - åäèíñòâåííûìè ïðàâîîáëàäàòåëÿìè àðõèâíûõ äîêóìåíòîâ".
Êîïèþ ýòîãî îòâåòà ÿ ïðèëàãàþ ê ñâîåìó ïèñüìó.

Ìû õîòèì íàïðàâèòü îòêðûòîå ïèñüìî ê ðóêîâîäñòâó Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîãî îáùåñòâà øòàòà Þòà ñ ïðîñüáîé ñäåëàòü âñå âîçìîæíîå äëÿ ñêîðåéøåé ïóáëèêàöèè ðîññèéñêèõ äîêóìåíòîâ â îòêðûòîì äîñòóïå íà ñàéòå familysearch.org. Ïîäñêàæèòå, êàê ëó÷øå ñâÿçàòüñÿ ñ íèì, ÷òîáû ãàðàíòèðîâàííî ïîëó÷èòü îòâåò íà òàêîå ïèñüìî.

Õîòåëîñü áû ñîîáùèòü Âàì êðàòêóþ èñòîðèþ ýòîãî âîïðîñà, êàê îíà âèäèòñÿ ñ ðîññèéñêîé ñòîðîíû.

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 1996 ãîäó ìåæäó Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèì îáùåñòâîì øòàòà Þòà (ÑØÀ) è Ðîññèéñêèì îáùåñòâîì èñòîðèêîâ-àðõèâèñòîâ, à â åãî ëèöå ñî âñåìè ðîññèéñêèìè àðõèâàìè áûëî çàêëþ÷åíî Ñîãëàøåíèå î êóëüòóðíîì ñîòðóäíè÷åñòâå â âûÿâëåíèè è èññëåäîâàíèè ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèõ äîêóìåíòîâ (äî 1917 ã.), õðàíÿùèõñÿ â ôîíäàõ ãîñóäàðñòâåííûõ àðõèâîâ ÐÔ, è ñîçäàíèè íà íèõ ñòðàõîâûõ êîïèé (íà ìèêðîôèëüìàõ). Âïîñëåäñòâèè ýòî Ñîãëàøåíèå áûëî ïðîäëåíî 3 àâãóñòà 2010 ã.

Ïî ýòîìó Ñîãëàøåíèþ Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîå îáùåñòâî øòàòà Þòà ìèêðîôèëüìèðîâàëî äîêóìåíòû ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîãî õàðàêòåðà (ìåòðè÷åñêèå êíèãè, èñïîâåäíûå ðîñïèñè è ðåâèçñêèå ñêàçêè) â ðîññèéñêèõ àðõèâàõ, äåëàÿ äâå êîïèè ìèêðîôèëüìîâ. Îäíó îíè çàáèðàëè ê ñåáå íà õðàíåíèå â Ãðàíèòíóþ ãîðó, à âòîðóþ îñòàâëÿëè íàøèì àðõèâàì â êà÷åñòâå ñòðàõîâîé êîïèè.

Ïîëó÷åííûå â ðåçóëüòàòå ðàáîòû ïî ýòîìó Ñîãëàøåíèþ ýëåêòðîííûå êîïèè äîêóìåíòîâ èç ðîññèéñêèõ àðõèâîâ (ìåòðè÷åñêèå êíèãè, èñïîâåäíûå ðîñïèñè, ðåâèçñêèå ñêàçêè è ïðî÷åå) Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîå îáùåñòâî øòàòà Þòà íà÷àëî ðàçìåùàòü íà ñâîåì ìåæäóíàðîäíîì ïîðòàëå familysåarch.org â îòêðûòîì äîñòóïå. Íà òîò ìîìåíò ýòî áûëè ëþòåðàíñêèå ìåòðèêè èç ÐÃÈÀ (áûëè ðàçìåùåíû â íà÷àëå 2010 ãîäà) è äîêóìåíòû ïî Òâåðñêîé ãóáåðíèè èç ÃÀÒÎ (â àâãóñòå 2011 ãîäà). Òî÷íî òàê æå Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîå îáùåñòâî ïîñòóïàëî ñ àðõèâíûìè äîêóìåíòàìè, ïîëó÷åííûìè â äðóãèõ ñòðàíàõ.

Îäíàêî â êîíöå 2011 ãîäà Ðîññèéñêîå îáùåñòâî èñòîðèêîâ-àðõèâèñòîâ (ÐÎÈÀ) è Ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé àðõèâ Òâåðñêîé îáëàñòè (ÃÀÒÎ) ïîòðåáîâàëè îò Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîãî îáùåñòâà øòàòà Þòà ïðåêðàòèòü îñóùåñòâëåíèå ñâîáîäíîãî äîñòóïà ê êîïèÿì ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèõ äîêóìåíòîâ èç Òâåðñêîãî àðõèâà, ÷òî Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèì îáùåñòâîì øòàòà Þòà è áûëî ñäåëàíî â íîÿáðå 2011 ãîäà.

Îñíîâàíèå äëÿ çàêðûòèÿ äîêóìåíòîâ ðîññèéñêèå àðõèâèñòû âèäÿò â íàðóøåíèè àìåðèêàíñêîé ñòîðîíîé 6-ãî ïóíêòà óæå óïîìÿíóòîãî Ñîãëàøåíèÿ, êîòîðûé çâó÷èò òàê:

«Ñòîðîíû äîãîâîðèëèñü, ÷òî Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîå îáùåñòâî øòàòà Þòà íå áóäåò èñïîëüçîâàòü êîïèè ýòèõ ìèêðîôèëüìîâ â êîììåð÷åñêèõ öåëÿõ è íå áóäåò ïðåäîñòàâëÿòü îðãàíèçàöèÿì èëè îòäåëüíûì ëèöàì, íå ÿâëÿþùèìèñÿ ÷ëåíàìè Îáùåñòâà, áåç ïèñüìåííîãî ñîãëàñèÿ ÐÎÈÀ è ÃÀÒÎ (Ãîñóäàðñòâåííîãî àðõèâà Òâåðñêîé îáëàñòè)».

«Ðàçìåñòèâ â 2011 ãîäó â ñâîáîäíîì äîñòóïå ÷àñòü êîïèé ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèõ äîêóìåíòîâ Òâåðñêîé ãóáåðíèè çà ïåðèîä 1722-1918 ãã. áåç ïèñüìåííîãî ðàçðåøåíèÿ Ãîñóäàðñòâåííîãî àðõèâà Òâåðñêîé îáëàñòè, Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîå îáùåñòâî øòàòà Þòà ãðóáî íàðóøèëî óñëîâèÿ óêàçàííîãî Ñîãëàøåíèÿ», - òàê ãëàñèò ïîëó÷åííûé ìíîþ îòâåò èç Ðîñàðõèâà îò 17 àïðåëÿ 2013 ãîäà çà ¹ Ð/Ì - 3044.

 íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ âñå äîêóìåíòû èç ðîññèéñêèõ àðõèâîâ íà ñàéòå familysearch.org äîñòóïíû äëÿ ñâîáîäíîãî ïðîñìîòðà òîëüêî ÷ëåíàì Öåðêâè Èèñóñà Õðèñòà Ñâÿòûõ ïîñëåäíèõ äíåé.

Ê áîëüøîìó ñîæàëåíèþ, ìíîãî÷èñëåííûå îáðàùåíèÿ ê ðîññèéñêèì àðõèâíûì ðóêîâîäèòåëÿì ñ ïðîñüáîé îáðàòèòüñÿ ê Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîìó îáùåñòâó øòàòà Þòà è äàòü îôèöèàëüíîå ðàçðåøåíèå íà ïóáëèêàöèþ äîêóìåíòîâ èç àðõèâîâ ÐÔ íà ìåæäóíàðîäíîì ñàéòå familysearch.org ðåçóëüòàòà íå äàëè.

 ÷àñòíîñòè, áûëè îòïðàâëåíû òàêèå çàïðîñû:
- â Ðîñàðõèâ,
- â Ðîññèéñêèé ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé èñòîðè÷åñêèé àðõèâ,
- â Ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé àðõèâ Òâåðñêîé îáëàñòè,
- â Ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé àðõèâ Óëüÿíîâñêîé îáëàñòè,
- â Ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé àðõèâ Ïñêîâñêîé îáëàñòè,
- â Ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé àðõèâ Ñàìàðñêîé îáëàñòè,
- â Ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé àðõèâ Íèæåãîðîäñêîé îáëàñòè,
- â Íàðîäíûé àðõèâ ðåñïóáëèêè Òàòàðñòàí.

Êðîìå òîãî, áûëè îáðàùåíèÿ â Ìèíèñòåðñòâî êóëüòóðû è â Àäìèíèñòðàöèþ Ïðåçèäåíòà ÐÔ ÷åðåç ñàéò ñáîðà ïîäïèñåé "Äåìîêðàòîð".

Ñ íàäåæäîé íà îòâåò è äàëüíåéøåå ñîòðóäíè÷åñòâî.

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Ïèñüìî âìåñòå ñ êîïèåé îòâåòà Ðîñàðõèâà çà ïîäïèñüþ Â.Ï.Òàðàñîâà îòîøëþ ïî óêàçàííûì î.Âñåâîëîäîì àäðåñàì.

anto íàïèñàë:

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À ãäå îíè âûëîæèëè? ÀÈÑ Ñàìàðñêîãî àðõèâà - ýòî ïðîåêò ÝËÀÐà - òàì íå áðàëè ñêàíû ìîðìîíîâ âðîäå, áûë ñâîé ýëàðîâñêèé ïðîåêò ñêàíèðîâàíèÿ îðèãèíàëîâ. Ñêàíû ìîðìîíîâ îò ñêàíîâ ÝËÀÐà ëåãêî îòëè÷èòü - ñêàíû ñ ìèêðîôèëüìîâ âñåãäà ÷åðíî-áåëûå, ñêàíû ñ îðèãèíàëîâ - öâåòíûå.

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Ïî÷òè âî âñåõ ìåòðèêàõ è ðåâèçñêèõ ñêàçêàõ ÀÈÑ Ñàìàðñêîãî àðõèâà ìîæíî âñòðåòèòü ðàìêè öåíòðèðîâàíèÿ ìîðìîíîâ. Ïî ýòîìó îñíîâíàÿ ÷àñòü ìåòðèê è ðåâèçñêèõ ñêàçîê â ÀÈÑ Ñàìàðñêîãî àðõèâà, ýòî ñêàíû ñ ìèêðîôèëüìîâ ìîðìîíîâ.

English version of Part I:

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This letter comes from a representative of Russian initiative group, Mysyakina Elena Gennadyevna.

Please help us to deal with a complex issue: why we, Russian citizens are deprived of a possibility of viewing Russian genealogical documents on the familysearch.org website?

What should be done in order for the conflict between Russian archivers and Genealogical Society of Utah to be resolved as soon as possible?

Are there any negotiations ongoing between representatives of Genealogical Society of Utah and Russian archivers, which issues have been settled and which have not?

Were any official requests filed to Russian regional archives and to Russian State Historical Archive to obtain a permission to publish Russian documents on the familysearch.org website for open access? If negative responses from Russian archivers were received, we ask to make this information public.

Deputy to the Head of Russian Federal Archive Agency, V.P. Tarasov, informs in his response from April 30th, that

“resolving the issue about opening access to copies of genealogical documents uploaded at the familysearch.org website is in the competence of archive authorities of Russian regions, State archives of which have participated in the joint project with the Genealogical society and would depend on the fact how soon would the Genealogical Society send the copies on DVD discs to Russian State Archives”,

and also that

“due to some objective reasons Russian Society of Archiver Historians ceases rendering intermediary services in this project; all the more so currently there are no obstacles for the Genealogical Society to enter into contractual arrangements with Russian regional archives, the only right holders with respect to archive documents”.

Copy of this response is attached to my letter.

We would like to send an open letter to the officials of Genealogical Society of Utah with a request to make everything possible for the speedy publication of Russian documents on the familysearch.org website for open access. Please, advise on how can we better contact the officials in order to obtain a response to such a letter.

We would like to inform you of a short background of the case as it is viewed by Russian side:

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Þðèñò ìîðìîíîâ íå îòâåòèë.

×òî æ, ïîïðîáóåì îáðàòèòüñÿ ê À.Â.Ïîäñîáëÿåâó, Ïðåçèäåíòó ðîññèéñêîãî îòäåëåíèÿ Öåðêâè Ñâÿòûõ ïîñëåäíèõ äíåé, è ê ðóêîâîäñòâó Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîãî îáùåñòâà øòàòà Þòà (íàäåþñü, ÷òî ìîñêîâñêîå ðóêîâîäñòâî ïåðåäàñò èì íàøó ïðîñüáó).

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Ñåé÷àñ åùå â íîâîñòÿõ ôîðóìà ïðîäóáëèðóþ.

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