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anto íàïèñàë:
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À ãäå îíè âûëîæèëè? ÀÈÑ Ñàìàðñêîãî àðõèâà - ýòî ïðîåêò ÝËÀÐà - òàì íå áðàëè ñêàíû ìîðìîíîâ âðîäå, áûë ñâîé ýëàðîâñêèé ïðîåêò ñêàíèðîâàíèÿ îðèãèíàëîâ. Ñêàíû ìîðìîíîâ îò ñêàíîâ ÝËÀÐà ëåãêî îòëè÷èòü - ñêàíû ñ ìèêðîôèëüìîâ âñåãäà ÷åðíî-áåëûå, ñêàíû ñ îðèãèíàëîâ - öâåòíûå.
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Ïî÷òè âî âñåõ ìåòðèêàõ è ðåâèçñêèõ ñêàçêàõ ÀÈÑ Ñàìàðñêîãî àðõèâà ìîæíî âñòðåòèòü ðàìêè öåíòðèðîâàíèÿ ìîðìîíîâ. Ïî ýòîìó îñíîâíàÿ ÷àñòü ìåòðèê è ðåâèçñêèõ ñêàçîê â ÀÈÑ Ñàìàðñêîãî àðõèâà, ýòî ñêàíû ñ ìèêðîôèëüìîâ ìîðìîíîâ.
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Ñàìàðñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ Íèêîëàåâñêèé óåçä - Øóìàêîâû, Êíÿçåâû, Âäîâåíêîâû, Òàðàñîâû, Êëåïèêîâû, Ñåäûõ, Ïàíàðèíû, Õàðëàøèíû, Êîìèñàðîâû
anto

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schumakow
ß íå âèäåë ñàì ýòó ÀÈÑ Ñàìàðñêîãî àðõèâà... Òî åñòü ïîëíîñòüþ âñå ìîðìîíñêèå ñêàíû ìåòðè÷åñêèõ êíèã è àêòîâûõ çàïèñåé èç Ñàìàðñêîãî àðõèâà, âûëîæåííûå íà familysearch.org, òóäà ïîïàëè?
Êà÷åñòâî è ïàðàìåòðû òî÷íî òàêèå æå, êàê íà familysearch.org - ðàçìåð ôàéëîâ, ïàðàìåòðû ðàçðåøåíèÿ â dpi, ÷åðíî-áåëûå?
von_nachtigall
Ph.D. (Chem.)

von_nachtigall

Ìîñêâà => íå Ìîñêâà
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Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 2081
English version of Part I:

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This letter comes from a representative of Russian initiative group, Mysyakina Elena Gennadyevna.

Please help us to deal with a complex issue: why we, Russian citizens are deprived of a possibility of viewing Russian genealogical documents on the familysearch.org website?

What should be done in order for the conflict between Russian archivers and Genealogical Society of Utah to be resolved as soon as possible?

Are there any negotiations ongoing between representatives of Genealogical Society of Utah and Russian archivers, which issues have been settled and which have not?

Were any official requests filed to Russian regional archives and to Russian State Historical Archive to obtain a permission to publish Russian documents on the familysearch.org website for open access? If negative responses from Russian archivers were received, we ask to make this information public.

Deputy to the Head of Russian Federal Archive Agency, V.P. Tarasov, informs in his response from April 30th, that

“resolving the issue about opening access to copies of genealogical documents uploaded at the familysearch.org website is in the competence of archive authorities of Russian regions, State archives of which have participated in the joint project with the Genealogical society and would depend on the fact how soon would the Genealogical Society send the copies on DVD discs to Russian State Archives”,

and also that

“due to some objective reasons Russian Society of Archiver Historians ceases rendering intermediary services in this project; all the more so currently there are no obstacles for the Genealogical Society to enter into contractual arrangements with Russian regional archives, the only right holders with respect to archive documents”.

Copy of this response is attached to my letter.

We would like to send an open letter to the officials of Genealogical Society of Utah with a request to make everything possible for the speedy publication of Russian documents on the familysearch.org website for open access. Please, advise on how can we better contact the officials in order to obtain a response to such a letter.

We would like to inform you of a short background of the case as it is viewed by Russian side:
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Çàâòðà îòïðàâëþ, îáÿçàòåëüíî.
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Þðèñò ìîðìîíîâ íå îòâåòèë.

×òî æ, ïîïðîáóåì îáðàòèòüñÿ ê À.Â.Ïîäñîáëÿåâó, Ïðåçèäåíòó ðîññèéñêîãî îòäåëåíèÿ Öåðêâè Ñâÿòûõ ïîñëåäíèõ äíåé, è ê ðóêîâîäñòâó Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîãî îáùåñòâà øòàòà Þòà (íàäåþñü, ÷òî ìîñêîâñêîå ðóêîâîäñòâî ïåðåäàñò èì íàøó ïðîñüáó).

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Ñåé÷àñ åùå â íîâîñòÿõ ôîðóìà ïðîäóáëèðóþ.
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Ïîäïèñàë ïåòèöèþ. Åëåíà (microArt), ÿ ïîëíîñòüþ ñîãëàñåí ñ âàøåé ïîçèöèåé è ñïàñèáî Âàì çà óïîðñòâî â áîðüáå ñ áþðîêðàòàìè. ß ãëóáîêî âîçìóùåí ïîëîæåíèåì äåë â Àðõèâàõ Ðîññèè. Çà ÷òî äåíüãè ïîëó÷àþò? Ñ÷èòàþ, ÷òî ìåòðè÷åñêèå êíèãè äàâíî äîëæíû áûòü îöèôðîâàíû è äîñòóïíû äëÿ âñåîáùåãî ïîëüçîâàíèÿ. Çàâèäóþ ïðîåêòó familysearch.org. Âñå æåëàíèå îòïàäàåò çàíèìàòüñÿ ðîäîñëîâíîé. Áóäåì íàäåÿòüñÿ, ÷òî íàøè ìå÷òû ñáóäóòñÿ ïðè íàøåé æèçíè. Óäà÷è âñåì íàì!
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Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
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microArt íàïèñàë:
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÷òî ìåøàåò ñâîè ïëåíêè îöèôðîâàòü è òî÷íî òàê æå âûëîæèòü â Ñåòü?
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Æåëàíèå ïîëó÷àòü çà èõ ïðîñìîòð ïëàòó.
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Êîçîëóïû Áðàöëàâñêîãî óåçäà Ïîäîëüñêîé ãóáåðíèè/Íåìèðîâñêîãî ðàéîíà Âèííèöêîé îáëàñòè, Êðûëîâû, Êðþêîâû Âîëîãîäñêîãî óåçäà Âîëîãîäñêîé ãóáåðíèè/Ñîêîëüñêîãî ðàéîíà, Çóáîâè÷è, Øïèëåâñêèå, Áàãðèöåâè÷è Ìèíñêîãî è Èãóìåíñêîãî óåçäîâ
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kozolup íàïèñàë:
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Æåëàíèå ïîëó÷àòü çà èõ ïðîñìîòð ïëàòó.
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Íåò-íåò. Êàê ðàç ïðîñìîòð ïëåíîê (ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå â Ïñêîâñêîì îáëàñòíîì àðõèâå) - áåñïëàòåí.
Ïëàòà áåðåòñÿ òîëüêî çà êîïèðîâàíèå èíôîðìàöèè. Íî ìîæíî è ñàìîìó âûïèñàòü íàéäåííûå ñâåäåíèÿ, èëè æå ñôîòîãðàôèðîâàòü ñ ýêðàíà ïðîåêòîðà. (Òóò ÿ íå çíàþ, òàê êàê íå ïîëüçîâàëàñü ýòèì, íå áûëà âî Ïñêîâñêîì àðõèâå).

Ïðîáëåìà òîëüêî â òîì, ÷òîáû ïðèåõàòü â ÷èòàëüíûé çàë Ïñêîâñêîãî îáëàñòíîãî àðõèâà. Ýòîãî íå ìîãóò ñäåëàòü èíâàëèäû, ïåíñèîíåðû, ìàëîèìóùèå. Äà â êîíöå êîíöîâ, êàêàÿ ðàçíèöà, ÷òî ìåøàåò ìíå ïðèåõàòü â àðõèâ ñìîòðåòü ïëåíêè? Íå ìîãó ïðèåõàòü - è âñå òóò.

Ýòè ïëåíêè äîëæíû áûòü îöèôðîâàíû. Íå äåëî ýòî - ïðèåçæàòü ðàáîòàòü ñ ïðîåêòîðîì â ÷èòàëüíûé çàë àðõèâîâ ïðè íàëè÷èè (ïî÷òè â êàæäîé êâàðòèðå) âûñîêîñêîðîñòíîãî äîñòóïà â Ñåòü. Ýòî ïðîøëûé âåê, óñòàðåâøèå òåõíîëîãèè.

À òàê, åñëè ðàññóæäàòü, òàê è ôîðóìû, ê ïðèìåðó íå íóæíû. Äî ôîðóìîâ ñóùåñòâîâàëà ïåðåïèñêà ïî îáû÷íîé ïî÷òå. Òîæå íåïëîõî.

Åñëè åñòü àâòîìîáèëü - çà÷åì òåëåãà? Åñëè åñòü âûñîêîñêîðîñòíîé äîñòóï â Ñåòü - çà÷åì ïðèåçæàòü â àðõèâ äëÿ ïðîñìîòðà ïëåíîê?

Õîòÿ ïîâòîðþñü - àðõèâàì íåò ìàòåðèàëüíîé âûãîäû ñ ìèêðîôèëüìîâ. Äà è íå âåçäå èõ âûäàþò. Â Òâåðñêîì îáëàñòíîì àðõèâå - èõ íå âûäàþò, à âûäàþò îðèãèíàëüíûå äîêóìåíòû.
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16 íîÿáðÿ 2015 ã. Ôåäåðàëüíîå àðõèâíîå àãåíòñòâî â ñîîòâåòñòâèè ñ ðåøåíèåì Îáùåñòâåííîãî ñîâåòà ïðè Ôåäåðàëüíîì àðõèâíîì àãåíòñòâå îò 22 îêòÿáðÿ 2015 ã. èíôîðìèðóåò î ïîçèöèè Ðîñàðõèâà ïî âîïðîñó äîñòóïà ãðàæäàí Ðîññèéñêîé Ôåäåðàöèè ê êîïèÿì äîêóìåíòîâ ðîññèéñêèõ àðõèâîâ íà ìåæäóíàðîäíîì ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîì ïîðòàëå familysearch.org.

Óêàçàííûå êîïèè áûëè èçãîòîâëåíû â ðàìêàõ Ñîãëàøåíèÿ ìåæäó Ðîññèéñêèì îáùåñòâîì èñòîðèêîâ-àðõèâèñòîâ (ÐÎÈÀ) è Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèì îáùåñòâîì øòàòà Þòà (ÑØÀ) î êóëüòóðíîì ñîòðóäíè÷åñòâå â âûÿâëåíèè è èññëåäîâàíèè ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèõ äîêóìåíòîâ (äî 1917 ã.), õðàíÿùèõñÿ â ôîíäàõ ãîñóäàðñòâåííûõ àðõèâîâ Ðîññèéñêîé Ôåäåðàöèè, è ñîçäàíèè íà íèõ ñòðàõîâûõ êîïèé, êîòîðîå áûëî ïîäïèñàíî â 1996 ã. è ïðîäëåíî â 2010 ã.  êîíöå 2012 ã. ÐÎÈÀ îôèöèàëüíî óâåäîìèëî Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîå îáùåñòâî øòàòà ÞÒÀ î ïðåêðàùåíèè ñâîåãî ó÷àñòèÿ â ðåàëèçàöèè Ñîãëàøåíèÿ.

 ñâÿçè ñ ýòèì ñîîáùàåì, ÷òî ðåøåíèå âîïðîñà î äîñòóïå ê êîïèÿì ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèõ äîêóìåíòîâ, ðàçìåùåííûì íà ïîðòàëå familysearch.org, íàõîäèòñÿ â êîìïåòåíöèè îðãàíîâ óïðàâëåíèÿ àðõèâíûì äåëîì ñóáúåêòîâ Ðîññèéñêîé Ôåäåðàöèè, ãîñóäàðñòâåííûå àðõèâû êîòîðûõ ó÷àñòâîâàëè â ñîòðóäíè÷åñòâå ñ Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèì îáùåñòâîì øòàòà Þòà, ïîñêîëüêó îíè ÿâëÿþòñÿ ïðàâîîáëàäàòåëÿìè àðõèâíûõ äîêóìåíòîâ.

Ñîãëàñíî Ïîëîæåíèþ î Ôåäåðàëüíîì àðõèâíîì àãåíòñòâå, óòâåðæäåííîìó ïîñòàíîâëåíèåì Ïðàâèòåëüñòâà Ðîññèéñêîé Ôåäåðàöèè îò 17 èþíÿ 2004 ã. ¹ 290, Ðîñàðõèâ ÿâëÿåòñÿ ôåäåðàëüíûì îðãàíîì èñïîëíèòåëüíîé âëàñòè, îñóùåñòâëÿþùèì ôóíêöèè ïî îêàçàíèþ ãîñóäàðñòâåííûõ óñëóã, óïðàâëåíèþ ôåäåðàëüíûì èìóùåñòâîì â ñôåðå àðõèâíîãî äåëà.  âåäåíèè Ðîñàðõèâà íàõîäÿòñÿ òîëüêî ôåäåðàëüíûå ãîñóäàðñòâåííûå àðõèâû. Ãîñóäàðñòâåííûå àðõèâû ñóáúåêòîâ Ðîññèéñêîé Ôåäåðàöèè íàõîäÿòñÿ â âåäåíèè îðãàíîâ óïðàâëåíèÿ àðõèâíûì äåëîì ñóáúåêòîâ Ðîññèéñêîé Ôåäåðàöèè.  îòíîøåíèè ýòèõ àðõèâîâ ïîëíîìî÷èÿ Ðîñàðõèâà îãðàíè÷åíû îêàçàíèåì ìåòîäè÷åñêîé ïîìîùè â îðãàíèçàöèè èõ ðàáîòû ïî êîìïëåêòîâàíèþ, ó÷åòó, îáåñïå÷åíèþ ñîõðàííîñòè è èñïîëüçîâàíèþ äîêóìåíòîâ Àðõèâíîãî ôîíäà Ðîññèéñêîé Ôåäåðàöèè.

http://archives.ru/press/16-11-2015-public-council.shtml

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