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Âåíà, 26 îêòÿáðÿ. Ðàñøèôðîâàí ãåíîì Îòöè – «ëåäÿíîãî ÷åëîâåêà» âîçðàñòîì 5300 ëåò, îáíàðóæåííîãî â Àëüïàõ îêîëî äâàäöàòè ëåò íàçàä è ñòàâøåãî îäíîé èç ñàìûõ ãðîìêèõ àðõåîëîãè÷åñêèõ íàõîäîê òûñÿ÷åëåòèÿ.
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27 îêòÿáðÿ 2011 19:31 Ïîëíîñòüþ èçó÷åí ÿäåðíûé ãåíîì ìóæ÷èíû, ïîãèáøåãî â Àëüïàõ 5 300 ëåò íàçàä Ãåíîì àëüïèéñêîé ìóìèè ðàñøèôðîâàí Íà ïðîøåäøåé 20-22 îêòÿáðÿ íàó÷íîé êîíôåðåíöèè â þæíîòèðîëüñêîì ãîðîäå Áîëüçàíî (Èòàëèÿ) ó÷åíûå ïîäâåëè ïðîìåæóòî÷íûå èòîãè ìíîãîëåòíèõ èññëåäîâàíèé íàèáîëåå ñîõðàíèâøåéñÿ äðåâíåé ìóìèè ÷åëîâåêà, êîòîðàÿ áûëà îáíàðóæåíà íåìåöêèìè òóðèñòàìè â Òèðîëüñêèõ Àëüïàõ â 1991 ãîäó. Âîçðàñò âìîðîæåííîé â ëåä ìóìèè ìóæ÷èíû, ïðîçâàííîé Ýòöè - â ÷åñòü òèðîëüñêîé äîëèíû Ýòöòàëü - ñîñòàâëÿåò îêîëî 5000 ëåò. Ó÷åíûå ïðèøëè ê ñîãëàñèþ â âîïðîñàõ, êàñàþùèõñÿ ñìåðòè ýòîãî ÷åëîâåêà, ñîîáùàåò åâðîïåéñêîå àãåíòñòâî íàó÷íûõ íîâîñòåé AlphaGalileo âî âòîðíèê. Ìåíþ äðåâíåãî ÷åëîâåêà áûëî òðàäèöèîííûì Èññëåäîâàíèÿ ñîäåðæèìîãî æåëóäêà ìóìèè ïîêàçàëè, ÷òî ýòî áûëà æèðíàÿ ïèùà - ìÿñî ãîðíîãî êîçëà - êîòîðóþ ÷åëîâåê ïðèíÿë çà 20-120 ìèíóò äî ñìåðòè. Ýòöè çàêóñûâàë ñàëàòîì, à íà äåñåðò îòâåäàë ôðóêòîâ: îáíàðóæåíû ñëåäû çåðíîâûõ êóëüòóð, ëèñòüåâ è ÿáëîê. ßáëîêè ñåé÷àñ ÿâëÿþòñÿ òðàäèöèîííîé þæíîòèðîëüñêîé ïëîäîâîé êóëüòóðîé, äåðåâåíñêèå æèòåëè äåëàþò èõ çàïàñû íà âñþ çèìó. Óìåð îí âåñíîé, à íå îñåíüþ, êàê ñ÷èòàëè ðàíüøå, î ÷åì ñâèäåòåëüñòâóþò íîâûå äàííûå ïàëèíîëîãèè. ×òî òèðîëüñêèé ÷åëîâåê äåëàë â Ýòöòàëå, íà âûñîòå 3200 ìåòðîâ - íå ïîíÿòíî. Ó÷åíûå îïðîâåðãëè òåîðèþ, ÷òî Ýòöè áûë ïàñòóõîì, óñòàíîâèâ, ÷òî â ìåäíî-êàìåííûé âåê, êîãäà æèë ýòîò ÷åëîâåê, îòãîííîãî æèâîòíîâîäñòâà â Òèðîëå åùå íå áûëî. Çèíê è åãî êîìàíäà èçó÷àþò ÄÍÊ, âûäåëåííóþ èç ôðàãìåíòà áåäðåííîé êîñòè Ýòöè. Óæå óäàëîñü âîññòàíîâèòü ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíîñòü îêîëî 90 ïðîöåíòîâ ÄÍÊ ëåäÿíîãî ÷åëîâåêà - äî 3 ìëðä íóêëåîòèäíûõ ïàð ãåíîìà, ñîîáùàåò Nature. Äåëàåòñÿ ýòî äëÿ èçó÷åíèÿ àðòðîñêëåðîçà, êîòîðûì áîëåë Ýòöè, è äëÿ óñòàíîâëåíèÿ åãî ãåíåàëîãèè. Äàííûå ãåíåòè÷åñêîãî àíàëèçà ïîçâîëÿþò çàêëþ÷èòü, ÷òî ó íåãî áûëè òåìíûå âîëîñû è êàðèå ãëàçà. Åãî ÄÍÊ îáëàäàëà ìóòàöèÿìè, êîòîðûå ñâîéñòâåííû ìíîãèì æèòåëÿì þæíîé Åâðîïû. Ó÷åíûå ñîáèðàþòñÿ ïðîâåðèòü, íàñêîëüêî áëèçîê Ýòöè â ãåíåòè÷åñêîì ïëàíå ñîâðåìåííûì è äðåâíèì òèðîëüöàì. Äëÿ ýòîãî èññëåäóþòñÿ îñòàíêè äðóãèõ æèòåëåé Öåíòðàëüíîé Åâðîïû. Ïî îäíîé èç âåðñèé, ïðåäêè Ýòöè ìîãëè ïðèéòè â Òèðîëü èç Áëèæíåãî Âîñòîêà èëè æå ÿâëÿëèñü êîðåííûì íàñåëåíèåì. Ýòöè ÿâëÿåòñÿ íàèáîëåå èçó÷åííîé ìóìèåé â ìèðå. Èññëåäîâàíèÿ âåäóòñÿ ãëàâíûì îáðàçîì ñòîëèöå Þæíîãî Òèðîëÿ è â Ìþíõåíå, Áàâàðèÿ (Ãåðìàíèÿ). Ñåêâåíèðîâàí ÿäåðíûé ãåíîì Ýöè 2008 ãîäó áûë ïîëíîñòüþ ñåêâåíèðîâàí ìèòîõîíäðèàëüíûé ãåíîì Ýöè. Îí ïîêàçàë, ÷òî ïî ìàòåðèíñêîé ëèíèè «ëåäÿíîé ÷åëîâåê» ÿâëÿåòñÿ ðîäñòâåííèêîì íåêîòîðûõ ñîâðåìåííûõ æèòåëåé Öåíòðàëüíîé Åâðîïû.  òî æå âðåìÿ îáíàðóæåíû ìóòàöèè, ïîêà íå âûÿâëåííûå â íûíåøíèõ ïîïóëÿöèÿõ. Ñåêâåíèðîâàíèåì ÿäåðíîãî ãåíîìà çàíèìàëàñü ãðóïïà ïîä ðóêîâîäñòâîì Àëüáåðòà Öèíêà èç Èíñòèòóòà ìóìèé è Ëåäÿíîãî ÷åëîâåêà (Èòàëèÿ). Ó÷¸íûå âûäåëèëè òðè ìèëëèàðäà ïàð îñíîâàíèé — áîëåå 90% ãåíîìà Ýöè. Ýòî ïîìîæåò âûÿñíèòü, äåéñòâèòåëüíî ëè ãîñòü èç ïðîøëîãî áûë ïîòîìêîì êîðåííûõ åâðîïåéöåâ èëè æå åãî äåäû ïðèøëè â Àëüïû èç Ìàëîé Àçèè. Äàáû ïðîÿñíèòü âîïðîñ, ñïåöèàëèñòû îäíîâðåìåííî ðàçáèðàþòñÿ ñ ãåíàìè äðóãèõ íåîëèòè÷åñêèõ ñêåëåòîâ. Óæå èçâåñòíî, ÷òî ó Ýöè îòñóòñòâîâàëà ìóòàöèÿ, íåîáõîäèìàÿ äëÿ ðàñùåïëåíèÿ ëàêòîçû âî âçðîñëîì ñîñòîÿíèè: òèïè÷íûé ïðèçíàê ñòàðûõ îáèòàòåëåé Åâðîïû, íå çàíèìàâøèõñÿ ñêîòîâîäñòâîì. Ê òîìó æå îí îáëàäàë ò¸ìíûìè âîëîñàìè è êàðèìè ãëàçàìè. Êðîìå òîãî, èññëåäîâàòåëè ïðîàíàëèçèðîâàëè ÄÍÊ, ñîõðàíèâøèåñÿ â æåëóäêå Ýöè. Âðîäå áû åñòü íàì¸ê íà òî, ÷òî îí áûë çàðàæ¸í áàêòåðèåé Borrelia burgdorferi, âûçûâàþùåé áîëåçíü Ëàéìà. Êðîìå òîãî, îáíàðóæåíû ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíîñòè êèøå÷íîé ïàëî÷êè è êëîñòðèäèé. Ïðåäñòîèò äîêàçàòü, ÷òî ýòî äåéñòâèòåëüíî äðåâíèå ãåíîìû. Îñíîâíàÿ ÷àñòü ðåçóëüòàòîâ äåðæèòñÿ â òàéíå äî îôèöèàëüíîé ïóáëèêàöèè. | | |
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6 íîÿáðÿ 2011 15:37 Balymba íàïèñàë: [q] Stan_is_love íàïèñàë:[q] Ìû åãî â ãðóïïå øóòÿ çâàëè Àäàì. [/q]
Ëîãè÷íåå áûëî áû "Àäàì áåç Åâû" [/q]
Ñ Åâîé, â ïå÷¸íêàõ! --- Âñå ìîè ëè÷íûå äàííûå, ðàçìåùåíû ìíîþ íà ñàéòå äîáðîâîëüíî â òðåçâîì óìå è òâ¸ðäîé ïàìÿòè, ñïåöèàëüíî äëÿ ïîèñêà ðîäñòâåííèêîâ
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6 íîÿáðÿ 2011 16:33 kashub íàïèñàë: [q] Åãî ãàïëîãðóïïà G2a4 áîëüøàÿ ðåäêîñòü[/q]
C 23andme: Douglas Davy Maternal: T1, Paternal: G2a4 German - 48 percent - mostly immigrants from southwest Germany (Rhine, Palatine, Saar, Alsace) 1710 to 1760 to Pennsylvania English - 43 percent- Mostly Puritans who immigrated from southeast and southwest England 1620 to 1640 Scots - 6 percent - Scots from northern Ireland (Scots-Irish) and Scotland who immigrated 1710 to 1780 . French - 2 percent - Huguenots who immigrated after 1685. Swiss and Dutch - 1 percent - came with the Germans. jean claude meyer perez Ancestry:Northern Africa È åùå è åùå è åùå.... Paternal Haplogroup:G2a4 Region: Central Asia, Near East, Northern Africa, Europe Populations: Palestinians, Ossetians, Georgians, Moroccans Highlight: Haplogroup G probably originated in the Caucasus but made its way across the Near East, northern Africa, southern Europe, and even into China. Farther west, the presence of haplogroup G is much less uniform. In Europe there are concentrations of haplogroup G in northern Sardinia, where it reaches levels of about 25%, across northeastern Italy where G reaches about 12%, and in parts of southern France and the Tyrol region of western Austria. There are even a few examples of haplogroup G in Sweden, where it is generally found at levels of less than 4%. One exception is the province of eastern Sweden known as Uppsala, where G is found in 12% of men. But Europe wasn't the only destination of men bearing haplogroup G. Recent migrations from the Near East, perhaps dating to the Arab expansion of the early to mid 8th century AD, brought non-African paternal lineages into northern Africa. Today about one third of Moroccans bear haplogroup G. G and the Jewish Diaspora Outside of the Caucasus, haplogroup G is often found among various Jewish populations. About 10% of Ashkenazi men also have Y chromosomes belonging to G, an indication that the haplogroup was present among the small number of Jews who migrated into central and eastern Europe about 1,000 years ago. The Sephardic Jews of the Iberian Peninsula also bear haplogroup G at levels of about 16%. In this case, the arrival of G into the region may be tied to the expansion of seafaring Phoenicians who set up trade centers throughout the Mediterranean about 3,500 years ago. --- Íàòàëèÿ. U5a1d2a ˸òîâû (Ðÿç.), Ñóðèêîâû, Áàøèëîâû, Ñóðîâû (Ïîäìîñêîâüå), Ñóááîòèíû, Ñòîëÿðîâû, Àíäðèàíîâû, Äîëæåíêî (Åéñê), Ùåðáèíû (Ïîëòàâ. è Êóáàíü) Íåéãåáàóåð. http://rusgenealogy.clan.su/ Âñå ìîè è ìîèõ ïðåäêîâ äàííûå òîëüêî äëÿ ãåíåàëîãèè. | | |
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6 íîÿáðÿ 2011 16:38 kashub íàïèñàë: [q] Êðîìå òîãî, íå áûëî îáíàðóæåíî 12-îé ïàðû ð¸áåð,[/q]
Ýòî ÷òîáû òàëèÿ áûëà óæå! Àïëàçèÿ ðåáðà- ýòî îòñóòñòâèå ðåáðà ïîëíîå èëè ÷àñòè÷íîå (âðîæäåííàÿ àíîìàëèÿ). Áûâàåò îäíî- è äâóõ ñòîðîíåå. Àïëàçèÿ ðåáåð ñîïðîâîæäàåòñÿ íåäîðàçâèòèåì ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèõ ïîïåðå÷íûõ îòðîñòêîâ ïîçâîíêîâ, äåôîðìàöèåé ãðóäèíû, ñîñåäíèõ ðåáåð... ïîÿâëÿåòñÿ ñêîëèîç. Õèðóðãè÷åñêîå ëå÷åíèå ïîêàçàíî òîëüêî ïðè ãðóáûõ äåôîðìàöèÿõ ïîçâîíî÷íèêà. Ðåêîìåíäóåì äèíàìè÷åñêîå íàáëþäåíèå îðòîïåäà. Èíòåðåñíî â åãî ïëåìåíè áûëè îðòîïåäû? À ìîæåò ýòî òîò ñàìûé ó êîòîðîãî ðåáðà çàáðàëè äëÿ Åâû? --- Ïëàòíûì ïîèñêîì íå çàíèìàþñü.  ëè÷êå ÍÅ êîíñóëüòèðóþ. Çàäàâàéòå, ïîæ-ñòà, âîïðîñû â ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèõ òåìàõ, âàì òàì îòâåòßÒ.
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6 íîÿáðÿ 2011 19:09 valcha íàïèñàë: [q] À ìîæåò ýòî òîò ñàìûé ó êîòîðîãî ðåáðà çàáðàëè äëÿ Åâû[/q]
Åâà áûëà-áû åìó ïðàïðà...(ìíîãî ðàç)...ïðàáàáóøêà. Îí ìîæåò áûòü ïðÿìûì ïîòîìêîì Àäàìà, ïðîøåäøåãî ïðîöåññ îáðåçàíèÿ ðåáðà. ---
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6 íîÿáðÿ 2011 21:48 6 íîÿáðÿ 2011 21:54 Strilbycki íàïèñàë: [q] valcha íàïèñàë:[q] À ìîæåò ýòî òîò ñàìûé ó êîòîðîãî ðåáðà çàáðàëè äëÿ Åâû[/q] Åâà áûëà-áû åìó ïðàïðà...(ìíîãî ðàç)...ïðàáàáóøêà. Îí ìîæåò áûòü ïðÿìûì ïîòîìêîì Àäàìà, ïðîøåäøåãî ïðîöåññ îáðåçàíèÿ ðåáðà. [/q]
Ó ïîòîìêà áûëî áû 12, à 13 ïàð ð¸áåð òîëüêî ó áîêîâîé âåòâè, ýòî êîòîðàÿ åù¸ äî Åâû è, áîþñü, îò íå óïîìÿíóòîãî Àäàìîâîãî áðàòà. Ëèáî ïåðâîé æåíû Àäàìà, ïðåêðàñíî-óæàñíîé Ëîëèòû. | | |
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6 íîÿáðÿ 2011 22:07 Strilbycki íàïèñàë: [q] ïðîøåäøåãî ïðîöåññ îáðåçàíèÿ ðåáðà[/q]
Íó äà! Õèðóðãè÷åñêîå âìåøàòåëüñòâî (îáðåçàíèå ðåáðà) íå çàêðåïëÿåòñÿ íà ãåíåòè÷åñêîì óðîâíå. --- Ïëàòíûì ïîèñêîì íå çàíèìàþñü.  ëè÷êå ÍÅ êîíñóëüòèðóþ. Çàäàâàéòå, ïîæ-ñòà, âîïðîñû â ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèõ òåìàõ, âàì òàì îòâåòßÒ.
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6 íîÿáðÿ 2011 22:11 valcha íàïèñàë: [q] Strilbycki íàïèñàë:
[q] ïðîøåäøåãî ïðîöåññ îáðåçàíèÿ ðåáðà [/q]
Íó äà! Õèðóðãè÷åñêîå âìåøàòåëüñòâî (îáðåçàíèå ðåáðà) íå çàêðåïëÿåòñÿ íà ãåíåòè÷åñêîì óðîâíå. [/q]
Õèðóðãè÷åñêîå - äà, à âîò Áîæåñòâåííîå âïîëíå âîçìîæíî è çàêðåïëÿåòñÿ. ---
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6 íîÿáðÿ 2011 22:38 valcha íàïèñàë: [q] Strilbycki íàïèñàë:[q] ïðîøåäøåãî ïðîöåññ îáðåçàíèÿ ðåáðà[/q] Íó äà!Õèðóðãè÷åñêîå âìåøàòåëüñòâî (îáðåçàíèå ðåáðà) íå çàêðåïëÿåòñÿ íà ãåíåòè÷åñêîì óðîâíå. [/q]
Íå çàêðåïëåíèå îáðåçàíèÿ íà ãåíåòè÷åñêîì óðîâíå ïðåäíàìåðåííî, êàê è íåäîñòèæèìàÿ äîêàçóåìîñòü (íåäîêàçóåìîñòü) èñòèííîñòè ïèñàíèÿ.  ïåðâîì ñëó÷àå Âû îáÿçàíû êàæäûé ðàç âíîâå ïîäòâåðæäàòü ñâîè îáÿçàòåëüñòâà ïî Ñòàðîìó Çàâåòó. Âî âòîðîì ñëó÷àå Âû ïîëó÷àåòå Ñïàñåíèå îò Âåðû, à íå îò çíàíèÿ. | | |
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6 íîÿáðÿ 2011 23:12 6 íîÿáðÿ 2011 23:13 djada-mykolaïàí Íèêîëàé, Âû î êàêîì îáðåçàíèè? Ìû - îá èçúÿòèè ðåáðà (12-îé ïàðû) ó Àäàìà, î áîæåñòâåííî-õèðóðãè÷åñêîì âìåøàòåëüñòâå â óæå ãîòîâîå èçäåëèå, êîòîðîå çàñêó÷àëî â õîçÿéñòâåííûõ õëîïîòàõ â îäèíî÷êó --- Ïëàòíûì ïîèñêîì íå çàíèìàþñü.  ëè÷êå ÍÅ êîíñóëüòèðóþ. Çàäàâàéòå, ïîæ-ñòà, âîïðîñû â ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèõ òåìàõ, âàì òàì îòâåòßÒ.
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7 íîÿáðÿ 2011 0:17 djada-mykola íàïèñàë: [q] Íå çàêðåïëåíèå îáðåçàíèÿ íà ãåíåòè÷åñêîì óðîâíå ïðåäíàìåðåííî, êàê è íåäîñòèæèìàÿ äîêàçóåìîñòü (íåäîêàçóåìîñòü) èñòèííîñòè ïèñàíèÿ.  ïåðâîì ñëó÷àå Âû îáÿçàíû êàæäûé ðàç âíîâå ïîäòâåðæäàòü ñâîè îáÿçàòåëüñòâà ïî Ñòàðîìó Çàâåòó. Âî âòîðîì ñëó÷àå Âû ïîëó÷àåòå Ñïàñåíèå îò Âåðû, à íå îò çíàíèÿ.[/q]
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ïàí Íèêîëàé, Âû î êàêîì îáðåçàíèè? Ìû - îá èçúÿòèè ðåáðà (12-îé ïàðû) ó Àäàìà, î áîæåñòâåííî-õèðóðãè÷åñêîì âìåøàòåëüñòâå â óæå ãîòîâîå èçäåëèå, êîòîðîå çàñêó÷àëî â õîçÿéñòâåííûõ õëîïîòàõ â îäèíî÷êó[/q]
Òóò, õòü êðóòü, õîòü âåðòü - âñýîäíî âûõîäûòü, ùî ïðî çàõëîïîòàííèñòü ó ñàìîòíèõ. ---
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