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| KarLa Ìîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà Áàðíàóë-Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 9846 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 24801 | Ì.Ê. Ñåñëàâèí Íå óáèò ïîäî Ðæåâîì Ýòî âîñïîìèíàíèÿ àâòîðà, â òî âðåìÿ âòîðîêëàññíèêà, óðîæåíöà ä.Ïàäàðêè (â 5 êì þæíåå Îëåíèíî ïî ñòàðîé Ðæåâñêîé äîðîãå) î ñîáûòèÿõ îñåíüþ 1941ã., îòñòóïëåíèè ÊÀ è íàñòóïëåíèè íåìöåâ. http://books.patriot-izdat.ru/read/#/18/1/54 Ïðîèçâåë âïå÷àòëåíèå ðàññêàç ñòð. 18 Ñìåðòåëüíûé ïîåäèíîê, êàê â îäèíî÷êó, óæå ïîñëå îòñòóïëåíèÿ ÊÀ, ñðàæàëñÿ è ïîãèá ìîëîäåíüêèé áîåö, óíè÷òîæèâ ìíîæåñòâî íåìöåâ. Ïîçæå, ñòàâ æóðíàëèñòîì, àâòîð ïûòàëñÿ óñòàíîâèòü èìÿ ýòîãî ãåðîÿ. Åãî çâàëè Ôåäîð Øìóíê, ðîäîì èç Îìñêà, âîåâàë â 809 ÑÏ. |
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| KarLa Ìîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà Áàðíàóë-Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 9846 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 24801 | Àëåêñåé Âëàäèìèðîâè÷! Ñïàñèáî ñåðäå÷íîå çà ññûëêè. shved íàïèñàë:  1941 ã îðãàíû ÍÊÂÄ ïðîâîäèëè ðàññòðåëû êðàñíîàðìåéöåâ, ïîïàâøèõ â îêðóæåíèå ïîä Âÿçüìîé Íè÷åãî îá ýòîì ïîêà íå ñëûøàëà... Óæå äàâíåíüêî ïûòàþñü óñòàíîâèòü çäåñü ñóäüáó ìëàäøåãî áðàòà ìîåãî ïðàäåäà. ×àñòü, ãäå îí ñëóæèë, ìíå óñòàíîâèòü óäàëîñü, à âîò ÷òî áûëî ïîòîì, ïîêà íèêàê. Íî èùó äàëüøå... Åñëè áóäåòå íà ìåìîðèàëå, ïîêëîíèòåñü îò ìåíÿ ïðàäåäó... óâèäåëà íà îáåëèñêå Ãðóïïó Áîëäèíà. Ìîé Àëåêñåé Èâàíîâè÷ â ñîñòàâå 916 ÑÏ 247 ÑÄ ïðîïàë ãäå òî íà ïóòè ñëåäîâàíèÿ íà âûðó÷êó ýòîé ãðóïïå ïîñëå 8 îêòÿáðÿ 1941 -ãî... |
| KarLa Ìîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà Áàðíàóë-Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 9846 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 24801 | Çàáûëà ïåðåíåñòè â ýòó òåìó âîò ýòó ñâîþ ïåðåïèñêó (çåëåíûì âûäåëåíû öèòàòû) Re: Rzhev, Áîëäûðåâà À.È. Âõîäÿùèå x Andreas <andreas123@onlinehome.de> 26.07.14 êîìó: ìíå Äîáðûé âå÷åð Ëàðèñà, ß ïîçâîíèë â÷åðà ñ Ðåéíõàðä Îòòî, êîòîðûé ÿâëÿåòñÿ ýêñïåðòîì ïîâòîðíî. Ñîâåòñêèå âîåííîïëåííûå è ñòàòóñå çàêëþ÷åííûõ ñïèñêîâ íåìåöêèõ ëàãåðÿõ äëÿ âîåííîïëåííûõ. Îí ñêàçàë ìíå, ÷òî îôèöèàëüíûå ñïèñêè âñåõ ïåðñîíàëüíûõ äàííûõ òàêîãî ðîäà áûëè - íàñêîëüêî åùå íå êîíôèñêîâàëè ïðÿìîé ïîñëå âîéíû - ïåðåäàíû íà ðîäèíå óçíèêîâ. Ýòî îçíà÷àåò, ÷òî äàííûå ïîâòîðíî. Áîëäûðåâà À.È. äîëæíû áûòü â ðîññèéñêèõ àðõèâàõ ñåé÷àñ, åñëè òàêèå äàííûå âîîáùå. Âåðîÿòíî, âû óæå çíàåòå, http://www.obd-memorial.ru/ Ðåéíõàðä Îòòî ñêàçàë ìíå, ÷òî â íåêîòîðûõ ñëó÷àÿõ ïî-ïðåæíåìó ñóùåñòâóþò íåêîòîðûå íåáîëüøèå ñïèñêè ñîâåòñêèõ âîåííîïëåííûõ, íàéäåííûõ â íåìåöêèõ àðõèâàõ, êàê ïðèâÿçàííîñòü ê äðóãèì äîêóìåíòàì. ß ïîñåùó âîåííóþ àðõèâ â Ôðàéáóðãå íà 7-8/8/14 äëÿ äàëüíåéøåãî èññëåäîâàíèÿ ëàãåðü â Ðæåâå. ß áóäó ïðîñèòü òàì ñíîâà è äåðæàòü âàñ â êóðñå, åñëè ÿ îáíàðóæèòü ëþáóþ èíôîðìàöèþ òàì îòíîñèòåëüíî èìåíà ñîâåòñêèõ âîåííîïëåííûõ â êà÷åñòâå Áîëäûðåâà À.È. Ñ óâàæåíèåì Àíäðåàñ Good evening Larissa, I have phoned yesterday with Reinhard Otto, who is an expert re. soviet prisoners of war and the status of the prisoner lists of german pow camps. He told me that the official lists of all personal data of this kind were - as far as not already confiscated direct after the war - handed over to the homelands of the prisoners. This means that the data re. Áîëäûðåâà À.È. should be in russian archives now, if such data exist at all. Probably you know already http://www.obd-memorial.ru/ Reinhard Otto told me that in some cases there still exist some small lists of soviet pow found in german archives as attachment to other documents. I will visit the military archive in Freiburg on 7-8/8/14 for further investigating the camp in Rzhev. I will ask there again and will keep you informed if I detect any informations there concerning names of soviet prisoners of war as your Áîëäûðåâà À.È. Best regards Andreas Am 30. Juni 2014 00:43:25 schrieb Andreas <andreas_hohlfeld@yahoo.de Çäðàâñòâóéòå Ëàðèñà, ñïàñèáî çà îòâåò!  íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ ÿ â îòïóñêå, è 12 èþëÿ, åùå â Áåðëèíå. Çàòåì ÿ ñïðîñèòü ìåíÿ î íåìåöêèõ àðõèâîâ, ãäå åñòü ñïèñêè ðóññêèõ âîåííîïëåííûõ. ß íèêîãäà ïîòîì íàïèñàòü âàì íå ïîçäíåå 20 èþëÿ. Ñïàñèáî çà èíôîðìàöèþ îòíîñèòåëüíî òîãî, íà Ôîðóìå ÂÃÄ! ß íàäåþñü, ÷òî òàì ìîæåò áûòü Äîïîëíèòåëüíàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ ïîâòîðíî ëàãåðÿõ âîåííîïëåííûõ â Ðæåâå äîñòóïíûõ. Ñ íàèëó÷øèìè ïîæåëàíèÿìè Àíäðåàñ Hello Larissa, thanks a lot for answering! I am in holiday and will be back in Berlin 12th July. After return I will check whether and were there are lists of russian POW from WW2 in German archives and will write to you until 20th July. Thank you also re. the information of the Russian military forum ÂÃÄ! I hope there might be further informations re the POW camps in Rzhev available. Best regards Andreas Am 27. Juni 2014 00:43:25 schrieb Ëàðèñà Êàðïåíêî <karpenkolara22@gmail.com>: > Çäðàâñòâóéòå Àíäðåàñ! > > Èçâèíèòå, ÷òî îòâå÷àþ ñ îïîçäàíèåì. > > Äà, ÿ ïûòàþñü óñòàíîâèòü ñóäüáó ñâîåãî ðîäñòâåííèêà, ïðîïàâøåãî áåç âåñòè ïîäî Ðæåâîì. Íî ó ìåíÿ ïîêà íåò òî÷íûõ ñâåäåíèé, ÷òî îí ïîïàë â ïëåí. ß òîëüêî ïðåäïîëàãàþ, ÷òî îí ìîã îêàçàòüñÿ â ýòîì ëàãåðå. È êàê ýòî ïðîâåðèòü ÿ ïîêà íå çíàþ. > > > ß õîòåë áû ïîíÿòü áîëåå ïîäðîáíî ðàñïîëîæåíèå, èñòîðèþ è òðàãåäèþ ëàãåðå äëÿ âîåííîïëåííûõ â Ðæåâå. > > Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ó ìåíÿ íåò äîïîëíèòåëüíîé èíôîðìàöèè ïî ðæåâñêîìó ëàãåðþ âîåííîïëåííûõ êðîìå òîé, ÷òî ñîáðàíà â ìîåì äíåâíèêå íà ôîðóìå https://forum.vgd.ru/ > > > Ñóùåñòâóþò ëè ôîòîãðàôèè â ëàãåðå äëÿ âîåííîïëåííûõ â Ðæåâå îò 1941/42? > > Çíàåòå ëè âû, ðîññèéñêèé ýêñïåðò, êàñàþùóþñÿ ëàãåðå äëÿ âîåííîïëåííûõ â Ðæåâå, êîìó ÿ ìîãó îáðàòèòüñÿ? > > > Ïîêà ÿ íå çíàþ îòâåòîâ íà ýòè âîïðîñû. Åñëè ìíå ÷òî òî ñòàíåò èçâåñòíî îá ýòîì ëàãåðå âîåííîïëåííûõ, ÿ Âàì îáÿçàòåëüíî ñîîáùó. > > Ëàðèñà. > > > 2014-06-21 6:07 GMT+07:00 Andreas <andreas_hohlfeld@yahoo.de>: > > Èäåì äàëüøå. Ïîèñê çàõîðîíåíèÿ Áîëäûðåâà À.È. > > Ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî Àëåêñåé Èâàíîâè÷ ó÷àñòâîâàë â Êàëèíèíñêîé îáîðîíèòåëüíîé îïåðàöèè 10 îêòÿáðÿ - 4 äåêàáðÿ 1941 ãîäà. Êàêîâà ñóäüáà âîèíîâ, âîåâàâøèõ ñ íèì ðÿäîì? > > Âîò çäåñü íàøëà Øàáåëüíèêîâà Âàñèëèÿ Èâàíîâè÷à > > Dear Larisa, > I saw on ß õîòåë áû ïîíÿòü áîëåå ïîäðîáíî ðàñïîëîæåíèå, èñòîðèþ è òðàãåäèþ ëàãåðå äëÿ âîåííîïëåííûõ â Ðæåâå. that you are looking for a missed relative who was captured 20.10.41 in the Rzhev POW camp. (Áîëäûðåâà À.È.) > My grandfather was the responsible officer in this camp in 10/41: > > òåïåðü î ÐÆÅÂÑÊÎÌ ËÀÃÅÐÅ ÂÎÅÍÍÎÏËÅÍÍÛÕ > > Èç ñîîáùåíèé ðàéîííîé êîìåíäàòóðû 1/532 ãîâîðèëîñü, ÷òî 21 îêòÿáðÿ 1941 ãîäà êîìåíäàòóðîé áûë ïðèíÿò â îáñëóæèâàíèå Ðæåâñêèé ëàãåðü âîåííîïëåííûõ ñ ÷èñëåííîñòüþ ïëåííûõ îêîëî 6000 ÷åëîâåê. Ñëóæåáíîå ïîìåùåíèå áûëî ðàñïîëîæåíî íà ñò. Ìóðàâüåâî â 500 ìåòðàõ îò ëàãåðÿ. > > Our family is deeply sad on the fate of the soviet prisoners of war and we wish from our heart that your love to your missed relative might lead also to more knowledge re. their fate.* > (BTW: The burial place of our grandfather ist also unknown...) > > I would like to understand more in depth the location, history and tragedy of the prisoner of war camp in Rzhev. > > I have read already a number of sources in the german military archives in Freiburg and the articles and books on http://rshew-42.narod.ru/ which you cited in your posting. > > Nevertheless lots of details remain unclear for me. > > Do there exist photographs of the prisoner of war camp in Rzhev from 1941/42? > > Do you know a russian expert concerning the prisoner of war camp in Rzhev, whom I may contact? > > Thanks a lot in advance and best regards :-) > > Andreas H., Berlin, Germany > > *The responsibility of the camp changed on 23.11.41 from AGSSt7 to Dulag 240. This means that the personal identity of the prisoners should have been documented at least in theory, because "Dulag" units were basically in charge of this. (AGSSt did only roughly count or estimate the prisoners and produced documents only for permanent working prisoners according to my knowledge.) > ...but I do not know whether the identification of all prisoners was already done by Dulag 240 in Rzhev in this time considering the chaotic situation in winter 41/42. > It should be possible to find out, whether an personal identification took place or not. |
| KarLa Ìîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà Áàðíàóë-Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 9846 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 24801 | Ôîòîãðàôèè íàéäåííûå â ñåòè Êîëîííà íåìåöêîé òåõíèêè äâèãàåòñÿ ïî äîðîãå ïîä Âÿçüìîé ![]() Íåìåöêèé êîìàíäèðñêèé òàíê Pz.BefWg.III â äåðåâíå ïîä Âÿçüìîé ![]() Ìèíîìåò÷èêè 247-é ñòðåëêîâîé äèâèçèè âåäóò îãîíü ïî ïðîòèâíèêó â ðàéîíå Ðæåâà èç 120-ìì ïîëêîâîãî ìèíîìåòà. Êàëèíèíñêèé ôðîíò. ![]() Ïëåííûå êðàñíîàðìåéöû, çàõâà÷åííûå íåìöàìè â îêòÿáðå 1941 ãîäà ïîä Áðÿíñêîì è Âÿçüìîé, âûãðóæàþòñÿ èç ýøåëîíà, ïðèáûâøåãî â îäèí èç íåìåöêèõ ëàãåðåé. ![]() Ìåõàíèçèðîâàííàÿ êîëîííà 7-é íåìåöêîé òàíêîâîé äèâèçèè (7. Panzer-Division) ïðîåçæàåò ìèìî ãîðÿùåãî íà îáî÷èíå ñîâåòñêîãî ãðóçîâèêà. Íà ïåðåäíåì ïëàíå òàíê Pz.38(t). Íàâñòðå÷ó êîëîííå èäóò òðîå ñîâåòñêèõ âîåííîïëåííûõ. Ðàéîí Âÿçüìû. |
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