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Orange38
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Bonsoir
Pouvez vous m'indiquer si la personne qui est sur la photo porte un uniforme de forestier? Et quel grade?
Merci d'avance.
Orange38
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good evening
Can you tell me if the person in the picture is wearing a forest uniform? And what rank?
Thank you in advance.
Orange38

Orange38 íàïèñàë:

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good evening
Can you tell me if the person in the picture is wearing a forest uniform? And what rank?
Thank you in advance.
Orange38

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The image is too blurry to see details. The rank is represented by the collar insignia. It seems to me there are 2 stripes and 2 stars - Collegiate assessor (Êîëëåæñêèé àñåññîð). The darker spot between two brighter stars is probably either a generic government emblem (double headed eagle in a wreath) or a specific government branch insignia. You need to scan this photo with the 600-1200 resolution to be able to confirm it. Buttons may also contain helpful info like an emblem of a department or a coat of arm of a particular province or a city. Regarding the awards. The first is the cross of the Order of Saint Stanislaus 3rd class. The second cross is a foreign one.

Wiki page that describes the ranks system:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_Ranks

Ôîòîãðàôèÿ ñëèøêîì ðàçìûòà, ÷òîáû ðàçîáðàòü äåòàëè. Íà ïåòëèöàõ ïðåäïîëîæèòåëüíî 2 çâåçäî÷êè ïðè äâóõ ïðîñâåòàõ - êîëëåæñêèé àñåññîð. Òåìíîå ïÿòíî ìåæäó ñâåòëûìè çâåçäî÷êàìè, âåðîÿòíî, âåäîìñòâàííàÿ àðìàòóðà. Íàãðàäû: êðåñò îðäåíà Ñâÿòîãî Ñòàíèñëàâà 3-é ñòåïåíè è êàêîé-òî èíîñòðàííûé êðåñò.

Ïðèâåò âñåì è ñïàñèáî çà âàøè îòâåòû.
AA. Êà÷åñòâî ôîòî.
ß íå ìîãó äàòü ëó÷øåå îïðåäåëåíèå. ß ïîìîãàþ ñòàðóøêå, êîòîðàÿ õðàíèò ýòó êàðòèíó; è ýòî âñå, ÷òî ÿ ìîã ïîëó÷èòü.  ëó÷øåì ñëó÷àå ÿ îòïðàâëÿþ âàì çàäíþþ ÷àñòü ýòîé ôîòîãðàôèè.
BB. Ëþäè.
Ïàìÿòü ïîòåðÿíà. Ñåìüÿ äîëæíà ðîäîì èç Àðõàíãåëüñêà è Êåìè. Äâóìÿ âîçìîæíûìè èìåíàìè ÿâëÿþòñÿ Êëåéí (ëåñíèê â Êåìè) è Äìèòðèé Ïå÷ÿêîâ, êîòîðûé çàíèìàë ìíîãî îôèöèàëüíûõ äîëæíîñòåé (â Êåìè, Ìåçåíå, Àëåêñàíäðîâñêå. ÿ óæå ïðîñìàòðèâàë êàòàëîãè Àðõàíãåëüñêîé ãóáåðíèè).
Íåò íèêàêèõ îñíîâàíèé ïîëàãàòü, ÷òî Äìèòðèé Ïåöÿêîô ÿâëÿåòñÿ ïîáåäèòåëåì ôîòîãðàôèè.
CC. Ïðèëîæåííûå äîêóìåíòû.
1 ° Îáîðîòíàÿ ñòîðîíà ôîòîãðàôèè.
2° ñâèäåòåëüñòâî î áðàêå â 1913 ãîäó Êåì äå Êëåéí ñ Íèíîé, äî÷åðüþ Äìèòðèÿ Ïå÷ÿêîâà.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì
Orange38
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Bonjour à tous et merci pour vos réponses.
AA. Qualité de photo.
Je ne peux pas fournir de meilleure définition. J'aide une vieille dame qui garde cette photo; et c'est tout ce que j'ai pu obtenir. Au mieux, je vous envoie le verso de cette photo.
BB. Les personnes.
Le souvenir est perdu. La famille doit provenir d'Arkhangelsk et de Kem. Les deux noms possibles sont Klein, (forestier à Kem) et Dmitri Peciakov qui a tenu de nombreux postes officiel (à Kem, Mezen, Alexandrovsk. J'ai déjà regardé les Annuaires du Gouvernorat d'Arkhangelsk).
Rien ne permet de penser que Dmitri Peciakov soit le peronnage de la photo.
CC. Documents joints.
1° Le verso de la photo.
2° un certificat de mariage en 1913 à Kem de Klein avec Nina, la fille de Dmitri Peciakov.
Sincères salutations.
Orange38
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Hello everyone and thank you for your answers.
AA. Photo quality.
I can't provide better definition. I help an old lady who keeps this picture; and that's all I could get. At best, I send you the back of this photo.
BB. The people.
The memory is lost. The family may come from Arkhangelsk and Kem. The two possible names are Klein (forester in Kem) and Dmitry Peciakov who has held many official positions (in Kem, Mezen, Alexandrovsk, I have already looked at the Arkhangelsk Governorate Directories).
There is no reason to think that Dmitri Peciakof is the man of the photo.
CC. Files attached.
1 ° The back of the photo.
2° A wedding certificate in 1913 to Kem de Klein with Nina, the daughter of Dmitri Peciakov.
With respects

Orange38, â ÐÃÈÀ, â ôîíäå 387 "Ëåñíîé äåïàðòàìåíò Ìèíèñòåðñòâà çåìëåäåëèÿ", â îïèñè 24
åñòü òðè äåëà î ñëóæáå ÷èíîâíèêîâ Ëåñíîãî äåïàðòàìåíòà:

- äåëî 4574 Êëåéí Àëåêñàíäð Âèëüãåëüìîâè÷;

- äåëî 4575 Êëåéí Àëüôîíñ Ëåîíãàðäîâè÷;

- äåëî 4576 Êëåéí Ëåîíãàðä Âèëüãåëüìîâè÷.

Ïðåäïîëàãàþ, ÷òî Ëåîíãàðä Âèëüãåëüìîâè÷ - îòåö æåíèõà Àëüôîíñà-Âèëüãåëüìà-Èîõàíåññà Ëåîíãàðäîâè÷à Êëåéíà, à Àëåêñàíäð Âèëüãåëüìîâè÷ - áðàò îòöà (äÿäÿ) æåíèõà.

Orange38 wrote :

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I send you the back of this photo

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Ok, it is neither Klein, no Pesiakov, the name of this man is Andrey Firsov , he was the chief of the Kem Maritime School :