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voinych Ñâåðäëîâñêàÿ îáëàñòü, ã. Áåð¸çîâñêèé Ñîîáùåíèé: 657 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2015 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 527 | Íàâåðõ ##
5 äåêàáðÿ 2016 18:28 VC íàïèñàë: [q] Switching from one language to another? Make up your mind. A group of non-combatant NCOs in the infantry dress uniform that was introduced in 1907 but became common after 1909. The dark shoulder boards/dark collar combo indicates that it’s not an infantry or a rifle regiment. Unfortunately the image is not clear and it’s hard to tell what’s on the shoulder boards. Could be a letter “K” but I am not sure. The badge is blurred as well. My guess is that it’s the “100 year anniversary of the Local Troops" badge. It matches the uniform. In such case it could be a group of clerks from some local military administration office. Do you have any information on where this picture was taken?[/q]
Thank you. --- Áåëüêîâû-Ïîñïåëîâû-Æèäåëåâû-Ëîáàíîâû (Íîâîïåòðîïàâëîâñêîå, Äàëìàòîâñêèé ðàéîí), Âîéíîâû (Íèæåãîðîäñêàÿ îáëàñòü) | | |
voinych Ñâåðäëîâñêàÿ îáëàñòü, ã. Áåð¸çîâñêèé Ñîîáùåíèé: 657 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2015 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 527 | Íàâåðõ ##
5 äåêàáðÿ 2016 18:29 Shukhlyada íàïèñàë: [q] Guess Who ?[/q]
Ìèí ñåçíå àңëàìûéì. --- Áåëüêîâû-Ïîñïåëîâû-Æèäåëåâû-Ëîáàíîâû (Íîâîïåòðîïàâëîâñêîå, Äàëìàòîâñêèé ðàéîí), Âîéíîâû (Íèæåãîðîäñêàÿ îáëàñòü) | | |
VCÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà  Ñîîáùåíèé: 8582 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4542 | Íàâåðõ ##
5 äåêàáðÿ 2016 18:31 Aleksios1983 íàïèñàë: [q] Ïðîøó ïîìîùè ïî èäåíòèôèêàöèè ôîðìû ìîåãî ïðåäêà, ñîâñåì çàïóòàëñÿ â òîíêîñòÿõ, çíàþ òîëüêî, ÷òî ïîëèöèÿ, è âîçìîæíî Ïåòåðáóðãñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ, íî êàêàÿ ïîëèöèÿ è êîãäà... [/q]
Âñ¸ âåðíî - ïîëèöèÿ. Íà ïîãîíàõ øèðîêèé ïðîäîëüíûé ãàëóí. Ëèáî îêîëîòî÷íûé íàäçèðàòåëü (ãîðîäñêàÿ ïîëèöèÿ) ëèáî ïîëèöåéñêèé óðÿäíèê (óåçäíàÿ). Ðàçíèöà áûëà òîëüêî â öâåòå ãàëóíà - ñåðåáðÿíûé èëè çîëîòîé. Ñíèìîê ìàëîêîíòðàñòíûé, íî ïðåäïîëîæó, ÷òî èìååì äåëî ñî âòîðûì âàðèàíòîì è èçîáðàæåí óðÿäíèê óåçäíîé ïîëèöèè. | | |
ShukhlyadaÍà÷èíàþùèé  Minga Ñîîáùåíèé: 27 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2014 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 14 | Íàâåðõ ##
5 äåêàáðÿ 2016 19:46 Cherkasy | | |
ShukhlyadaÍà÷èíàþùèé  Minga Ñîîáùåíèé: 27 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2014 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 14 | Íàâåðõ ##
5 äåêàáðÿ 2016 19:51 This Russian ? | | |
| Aleksios1983 Íîâè÷îê
Ñàíêò- Ïåòåðáóðã Ñîîáùåíèé: 23 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2009 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 19 | Íàâåðõ ##
5 äåêàáðÿ 2016 20:06 áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî, õîòü áóäó çíàòü, êàêîãî ðîäà èíôîðìàöèþ èñêàòü. Ïî óðÿäíèêàì óåçäîâ Ïåòåðáóðãñêîé ãóáåðíèè... Î÷åíü ìàëåíüêàÿ, à çàöåïêà âñ¸- òàêè... | | |
VCÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà  Ñîîáùåíèé: 8582 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4542 | Íàâåðõ ##
5 äåêàáðÿ 2016 21:32 Shukhlyada íàïèñàë: [q] Cherkasy [/q]
In my opinion this group served in the office of the county military chief. If I am not mistaken all local military offices had the same shoulder boards markings based on the name of local brigade they reported to. In this case “K” – Kiev local brigade. This particular font was in use until 1911. Considering that the local troops badge was introduced in 1911 the photo was probably taken in the same year. To make sure check the Kiev governorship’s registry for the same period. It’s possible there were other military offices or units located in Cherkasy that reported directly to the military district headquarter. Ïåðåâîä. Íà ìîé âçãëÿä ýòà ãðóïïà ñëóæèò â óïðàâëåíèè óåçäíîãî âîèíñêîãî íà÷àëüíèêà. Åñëè íå îøèáàþñü, òî ó âñåõ ìåñòíûõ óåçäíûõ óïðàâëåíèé áûëà îäèíàêîâàÿ øèôðîâêà ïî íàçâàíèþ ìåñòíîé áðèãàäû.  äàííîì ñëó÷àå "Ê" - Êèåâñêàÿ ìåñòíàÿ áðèãàäà. Ëèòåðà íàïèñàíà ñòàðûì øðèôòîì, êîòîðûé èñïîëüçîâàëñÿ äî 1911-ãî ãîäà. Ñ ó÷åòîì òîãî, ÷òî çíàê ìåñòíûõ âîéñê áûë ó÷ðåæäåí â 1911-ì, òî ñíèìîê, âåðîÿòíî ñäåëàí â òîì æå ãîäó. Äëÿ ïðîâåðêè ïîñìîòðèòå ïàìÿòíóþ êíèæêó Êèåâñêîé ãóáåðíèè íà óêàçàííûé ïåðèîä. Âîçìîæíî â ×åðêàññàõ íàõîäèëèñü åù¸ êàêèå-ëèáî óïðàâëåíèÿ îêðóæíîãî ïîä÷èíåíèÿ. Shukhlyada íàïèñàë: [q] This Russian ? [/q]
No idea what you mean. | | |
voinych Ñâåðäëîâñêàÿ îáëàñòü, ã. Áåð¸çîâñêèé Ñîîáùåíèé: 657 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2015 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 527 | Íàâåðõ ##
6 äåêàáðÿ 2016 8:28 OlkaD íàïèñàë: [q] ßçûêîâ Èâàí Ïåòðîâè÷ (1918-ìàðò 1943) (ñëåâà), ïðèçâàí â àðìèþ â 1939 ãîäó,[/q]
Ôóðàæêè è ãèìíàñòåðêè îáðàçöà 1935 ã. (Ïðèêàç ÍÊÎ ÑÑÑÐ ¹176 îò 03.12.1935 ã.) Îòñóòñòâèå ýìáëåì íà ïåòëèöàõ ñ ñóêîííûì öâåòíûì êàíòîì áåç çíàêîâ ðàçëè÷èÿ ñâèäåòåëüñòâóåò â ïîëüçó òîãî, ÷òî íà ôîòî çàïå÷àòëåíû ëèöà ðÿäîâîãî ñîñòàâà ñòðåëêîâûõ (ïåõîòíûõ) èëè êàâàëåðèéñêèõ ÷àñòåé â ïåðèîä 1936 — èþëü 1940 ãã. --- Áåëüêîâû-Ïîñïåëîâû-Æèäåëåâû-Ëîáàíîâû (Íîâîïåòðîïàâëîâñêîå, Äàëìàòîâñêèé ðàéîí), Âîéíîâû (Íèæåãîðîäñêàÿ îáëàñòü) | | |
OlkaD Áàðíàóë Ñîîáùåíèé: 195 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 157 | Íàâåðõ ##
6 äåêàáðÿ 2016 9:24 voinych íàïèñàë: [q] ïåðèîä 1936 — èþëü 1940 ãã.[/q]
Ñïàñèáî çà îòâåò! --- ĸìêèíû, Êèðååâû, Èëüèíû, ßçûêîâû, Âûäðèíû, Áåðåçîâèêîâû, Ìàñè÷, Áàðàáàíîâ, Âÿçíèêîâ, Ïðèãîðîäñêèõ, Êàðíàóõîâ | | |
ShukhlyadaÍà÷èíàþùèé  Minga Ñîîáùåíèé: 27 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2014 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 14 | Íàâåðõ ##
6 äåêàáðÿ 2016 10:32 Òàê. Âñå â³ðíî. ß íå çíàâ ðîêó ñâ³òëèíè. Äÿêóþ. Îñü ì³é ä³äóñü. Äåðæàâíèé àðõ³â ×åðêàñüêî¿ îáëàñò³: Ô. 868. Óïðàâë³ííÿ ×åðêàñüêîãî ïîâ³òîâîãî â³éñüêîâîãî íà÷àëüíèêà, ì. ×åðêàñè Êè¿âñüêî¿ ãóáåðí³¿ Ñïðàâ: 13; 1916–1917 ðð. Îïèñ 1 Ñïðàâ: 13; 1916–1917 ðð. Íàêàçè ïî óïðàâë³ííþ (1916–1917). Ñïðàâà çà çâèíóâà÷åííÿì ðÿäîâîãî 148-ãî ï³õîòíîãî ïîëêó (1916).
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