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20 ôåâðàëÿ 2009 21:34èùó ðîäñòâåíèêîâ [q] ß, Ñàçîíîâ Àíàòîëèé Þðüåâè÷ èùó â Àâñòðàëèè,
äÿäþ Ñàçîíîâà Àíàòîëèÿ Ô¸äîðîâè÷à,
áðàòüåâ Ñàçîíîâà Àëåêñàíäðà Àíàòîëüåâè÷à,
Ñàçîíîâà Þðèÿ Àíàòîëüåâè÷à
è Ñàçîíîâó(äåâè÷üÿ) Òàìàðó Àíàòîëüåâíó.
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16 ÿíâàðÿ 2021 13:15 17 ÿíâàðÿ 2021 15:24 >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ Elena Govor îò 14 ÿíâàðÿ 2021 13:29 Çíà÷èò Fairbridge, Pinjarra. Íåäàëåêî åñòü ðåñòîðàí Redcliffe on the Murray. Èíòåðåñíî, íå ìîã ëè Horace Ratcliffå áûòü åãî õîçÿèíîì? Èëè ñîâïàäåíèå? Fairbridge Farm School - ýòî ïðèþò äëÿ äåòåé ìèãðàíòîâ. Çàêðûò â 1981.  åãî çäàíèÿõ ñåé÷àñ ãîñòèíèöà Fairbridge Village. Denmark - ýòî ãîðîä íà ñàìîì þãå Çàïàäíîé Àâñòðàëèè, íàõîäèòñÿ íà áåðåãó çàëèâà Ratcliffe. Íî ÷òî òàêîå Horace? Èëè ýòî âîîáùå êàêîå-òî äðóãîå ñëîâî? ---
Èùó èíôîðìàöèþ î:
×åðíîâûõ, Êàðåëüñêèõ (ä. Îáðàçöîâî Áðîííèöêîãî óåçäà Ìîñêîâñêîé ãóá.);
Ïàõîìîâûõ, Ãðèøèíûõ, Äåìåøåâûõ (Ñîáîëåâñêàÿ âîëîñòü Ïðîíñêîãî óåçäà Ðÿçàíñêîé ãóá.);
Êóëàêîâûõ, Íèêîëàåâûõ, Ïåíÿãèíûõ (ñ. Âèøíåâîå, ä. Ôðîëîâêà Êîçëîâñêîãî óåçäà Òàìáîâñêîé ãóá.);
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25 ÿíâàðÿ 2021 12:16 Sipsikiarch íàïèñàë: [q] Äîáðûé äåíü.
Åëåíà, ïðàâèëüíî ÿ ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî àðõèâ íàäî çàïðàøèâàòü?
Èç áàçû äàííûõ êðîìå òîãî, ÷òî íàøåë ÿ áîëüøå íè÷åãî íå âûæàòü?
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Äà, àðõèâ íàäî çàïðàøèâàòü.  êàòàëîãå íà ñàéòå åñòü äåëî, ñâÿçàííîå ñ ýìèãðàöèåé, èç êîòîðîãî áóäåò ÿñíî ãäå îíè æèëè äî âûåçäà â Àâñòðàëèþ. Âòîðîå - äåëî î íàòóðàëèçàöèè, îíî ïîêà çàêðûòî. Ìîæíî, çàðåãèñòðèðîâàâøèñü íà ñàéòå àðõèâà, íàæàòü Request copy è òîãäà ïîÿâèòñÿ îêíî, â êîòîðîì âû ïîïðîñèòå åãî îòêðûòü. Ïîñëå ýòîãî ñ îáîèõ äåë ìîæíî çàêàçàòü ñêàíû, íî ýòî ñòîèò äåíåã. Ìåñòî æèòåëüñòâà - ýòî ñòàíäàðòíàÿ ãðàôà àíêåòû. Âû ìîæåòå óâèäåòü åå â îöèôðîâàííîì äîñüå Âëàäèìèðà. Äàíèÿ ìîæåò ñòîÿòü òàì ïî ðàçíûì ïðè÷èíàì. Ìîæåò äåéñòâèòåëüíî òàì æèëè, ìîæåò ïðîèçîøëî íåïîíèìàíèå ïðè çàïîëíåíèè àíêåòû. Ýòî âñå ïðîÿñíÿò äâà äðóãèõ äîñüå. | | |
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26 ÿíâàðÿ 2021 12:10 27 ÿíâàðÿ 2021 11:00 >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ Elena Govor îò 25 ÿíâàðÿ 2021 12:16 Äîáðûé äåíü. ß ïîíÿë îòêóäà Äàíèÿ. Ìåñòî ðîæäåíèÿ Âëàäèìèðà - Schleswig-Holstein. Âëàäèìèð ðîäèëñÿ â äåêàáðå 1946. Âèêèïåäèÿ: "Ïî èòîãàì ïðîâåä¸ííîãî â 1920 ãîäó (íà îñíîâàíèè Âåðñàëüñêîãî ìèðíîãî äîãîâîðà) ïëåáèñöèòà ñåâåðíàÿ ÷àñòü Øëåçâèãà ïåðåøëà îò Ãåðìàíèè ê Äàíèè. Ñ 1949 ãîäà Øëåçâèã-Ãîëüøòåéí — çåìëÿ â ñîñòàâå ÔÐÃ.  òîì æå ãîäó áûëà ïðèíÿòà Êîíñòèòóöèÿ Øëåçâèã-Ãîëüøòåéíà." Òî åñòü ðîäèëñÿ îí â Äàíèè, à óåçæàþò îíè â äåêàáðå 1949 óæå èç Ãåðìàíèè, èç Çåäîðôà. Ýòî áðèòàíñêàÿ îêêóïàöèîííàÿ çîíà. Ïðè ýòîì â ãðàôå ãðàæäàíñòâî óêàçàí "íàíñåíîâñêèé ïàñïîðò", ò.å. ïàñïîðò áåæåíöà. Îòêàçàëèñü îò ãðàæäàíñòâà ÔÐà è ïðåäïî÷ëè óåõàòü â Àâñòðàëèþ? Ñòðàííî âñå êàê-òî. Ïðÿìî êàêàÿ-òî íåíàâèñòü ê Ãåðìàíèè, ïðè òîì, ÷òî îíè áàëòèéñêèå íåìöû ïî ïðîèñõîæäåíèþ. È åñëè îòêàç óåçæàòü èç Ýñòîíèè â Ãåðìàíèþ â 30-å, êîãäà íåìöåâ èç Ïðèáàëòèêè âûæèìàëè, ìîæíî îáúÿñíèòü àíòèôàøèñòñêîé ïîçèöèåé. Òî ýìèãðàöèÿ â Àâñòðàëèþ óæå ïîñëå ñâåðæåíèÿ Òðåòüåãî Ðåéõà âûãëÿäèò ñòðàííîé ---
Èùó èíôîðìàöèþ î:
×åðíîâûõ, Êàðåëüñêèõ (ä. Îáðàçöîâî Áðîííèöêîãî óåçäà Ìîñêîâñêîé ãóá.);
Ïàõîìîâûõ, Ãðèøèíûõ, Äåìåøåâûõ (Ñîáîëåâñêàÿ âîëîñòü Ïðîíñêîãî óåçäà Ðÿçàíñêîé ãóá.);
Êóëàêîâûõ, Íèêîëàåâûõ, Ïåíÿãèíûõ (ñ. Âèøíåâîå, ä. Ôðîëîâêà Êîçëîâñêîãî óåçäà Òàìáîâñêîé ãóá.);
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1 ôåâðàëÿ 2021 17:21 1 ôåâðàëÿ 2021 17:57 Åñòü îäèí èíòåðåñíûé Horace Ratcliffe â èñòîðèè Àâñòðàëèè, âåòåðàí Ïåðâîé ìèðîâîé, êîììóíèñòè÷åñêèé àêòèâèñò.
Îòáûë øåñòèìåñÿ÷íûé ñðîê çà õðàíåíèå êîììóíèñòè÷åñêîé ëèòåðàòóðû, à ïîñëå íà÷àëà Âòîðîé ìèðîâîé áûë èíòåðíèðîâàí (íå î÷åíü ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî êîíêðåòíî èìååòñÿ â âèäó - òþðüìà, äîìàøíèé àðåñò???), èç-çà ÷åãî îáúÿâèë ãîëîäîâêó.
Ïðàâäà, äåëî áûëî â Ñèäíåå. ---
Èùó èíôîðìàöèþ î:
×åðíîâûõ, Êàðåëüñêèõ (ä. Îáðàçöîâî Áðîííèöêîãî óåçäà Ìîñêîâñêîé ãóá.);
Ïàõîìîâûõ, Ãðèøèíûõ, Äåìåøåâûõ (Ñîáîëåâñêàÿ âîëîñòü Ïðîíñêîãî óåçäà Ðÿçàíñêîé ãóá.);
Êóëàêîâûõ, Íèêîëàåâûõ, Ïåíÿãèíûõ (ñ. Âèøíåâîå, ä. Ôðîëîâêà Êîçëîâñêîãî óåçäà Òàìáîâñêîé ãóá.);
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1 ôåâðàëÿ 2021 20:50 3 ôåâðàëÿ 2021 11:26 Íàøåë íóæíîãî Õîðàñà Ðýòêëèôôà.
Ýòî Horace Wilman Ratcliffe (1904-1982), ðîä çàíÿòèé îáîçíà÷åí, êàê ìåòàëëóðã è àãðîíîì.
Ïðèáûë ñ ñåìüåé â Ôðèìàíòë â ìàðòå 1949. Çà äåâÿòü ìåñÿöåâ äî Ðèòû è Âîëüäåìàðà. Óðîæåíåö Àíãëèè. Æèë â Àâñòðàëèè ñ 1949 ïî 1959. Óêàçàíî, ÷òî â Îëáàíè, ýòî â 50 êì îò Äåíìàðêà. Âîçìîæíî, ÷òî Îëáàíè óêàçàí, êàê áëèæàéøèé êðóïíûé íàñåëåííûé ïóíêò.
Âèäèìî Ðèòà åõàëà ðàáîòàòü ê íåìó.
Âòîðàÿ æåíà Õîðàñà - Ethel Rose (ñ ïåðâîé, âèäèìî, îí ðàçâåëñÿ åùå â Àíãëèè) è ñûí îò ïåðâîãî áðàêà Wilman óìåðëè â Àâñòðàëèè â 1950 è 1977 ãîäàõ ñîîòâåòñòâåííî.
 1952 ãîäó ê Õîðàñó ïðèåõàëà èç Ãåðìàíèè íåêàÿ Margarete Gerber, ñòàâøàÿ åãî òðåòüåé æåíîé.
Òàêæå îäíîâðåìåííî ñ Õîðàñîì â 1949 ãîäó â Àâñòðàëèþ ïðèåõàëè äâå äåâî÷êè Marita è Gayner Ratcliffe, íî íå íà MyHeritage, íè íà FamilySearch ÿ íå âèæó èõ, êàê åãî äî÷åðåé. ---
Èùó èíôîðìàöèþ î:
×åðíîâûõ, Êàðåëüñêèõ (ä. Îáðàçöîâî Áðîííèöêîãî óåçäà Ìîñêîâñêîé ãóá.);
Ïàõîìîâûõ, Ãðèøèíûõ, Äåìåøåâûõ (Ñîáîëåâñêàÿ âîëîñòü Ïðîíñêîãî óåçäà Ðÿçàíñêîé ãóá.);
Êóëàêîâûõ, Íèêîëàåâûõ, Ïåíÿãèíûõ (ñ. Âèøíåâîå, ä. Ôðîëîâêà Êîçëîâñêîãî óåçäà Òàìáîâñêîé ãóá.);
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17 ôåâðàëÿ 2021 0:09 17 ôåâðàëÿ 2021 0:27 Íàøåë ÷åëîâåêà, çíàâøåãî Ðèòó è Âîëüäåìàðà.
Îíà áûëà cottage mother (íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíÿë ÷òî-òî òèïà âîñïèòàòåëüíèöû) â ïðèþòå Fairbridge.
Ïîçæå óåõàëà â Áàññåëòîí, ãäå ðàáîòàëà â áîëüíèöå. ---
Èùó èíôîðìàöèþ î:
×åðíîâûõ, Êàðåëüñêèõ (ä. Îáðàçöîâî Áðîííèöêîãî óåçäà Ìîñêîâñêîé ãóá.);
Ïàõîìîâûõ, Ãðèøèíûõ, Äåìåøåâûõ (Ñîáîëåâñêàÿ âîëîñòü Ïðîíñêîãî óåçäà Ðÿçàíñêîé ãóá.);
Êóëàêîâûõ, Íèêîëàåâûõ, Ïåíÿãèíûõ (ñ. Âèøíåâîå, ä. Ôðîëîâêà Êîçëîâñêîãî óåçäà Òàìáîâñêîé ãóá.);
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19 ôåâðàëÿ 2021 20:43 19 ôåâðàëÿ 2021 20:46 >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ Elena Govor îò 25 ÿíâàðÿ 2021 12:16 Åëåíà, ñêàæèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, ðåàëüíî ëè íàéòè òåëåôîííûå èëè àäðåñíûå ñïðàâî÷íèêè ãîðîäîâ Busselton è Margaret River? Íàñêîëüêî â Àâñòðàëèè îòêðûòà ýòà èíôîðìàöèÿ? ---
Èùó èíôîðìàöèþ î:
×åðíîâûõ, Êàðåëüñêèõ (ä. Îáðàçöîâî Áðîííèöêîãî óåçäà Ìîñêîâñêîé ãóá.);
Ïàõîìîâûõ, Ãðèøèíûõ, Äåìåøåâûõ (Ñîáîëåâñêàÿ âîëîñòü Ïðîíñêîãî óåçäà Ðÿçàíñêîé ãóá.);
Êóëàêîâûõ, Íèêîëàåâûõ, Ïåíÿãèíûõ (ñ. Âèøíåâîå, ä. Ôðîëîâêà Êîçëîâñêîãî óåçäà Òàìáîâñêîé ãóá.);
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23 ôåâðàëÿ 2021 15:27 Sipsikiarch íàïèñàë: [q] >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ Elena Govor îò 25 ÿíâàðÿ 2021 12:16
Åëåíà, ñêàæèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, ðåàëüíî ëè íàéòè òåëåôîííûå èëè àäðåñíûå ñïðàâî÷íèêè ãîðîäîâ Busselton è Margaret River?
Íàñêîëüêî â Àâñòðàëèè îòêðûòà ýòà èíôîðìàöèÿ?[/q]
Òåëåôîííûå ñïðîâè÷íèêè ïî øòàòàì èëè ðåãèîíàì âûïóñêàëèñü êàæäûé ãîä. ß èõ íå íàõîæó â îöèôðîâàííîì âèäå ïî Çàïàäíîé Àâñòðàëèè, íî, íàäåþñü, ÷òî ñî âðåìåíåì îíè ïîÿâÿòñÿ. Èõ ìîæíî èñêàòü êàê "White pages" èëè "Telephone directory". Ïîñìîòðèòå íà ñàéòå State Library of Western Australia. | | |
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3 àïðåëÿ 2021 15:35 3 àïðåëÿ 2021 15:38 Äîáðûé äåíü! Êàêèå âû ìîëîäöû, ÷òî ïðîâîäèòå òàêóþ êðîïîòëèâóþ ðàáîòó! Çíàë áû ÿ ïðî ýòîò ôîðóì ãîäó â 2007-îì, êîãäà òîæå íà÷àë ïîèñê ñâîèõ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ. Ìîÿ èñòîðèÿ òàêàÿ.  ìî¸ì ðîäó áûëè - Àíäðîñåíêî (â çàìóæåñòâå - Êîíîâàëîâà) Ìàðèÿ Âëàäèìèðîâíà ( ðîä. 28.03.1909ã.), å¸ ìóæ Êîíîâàëîâ Èííîêåíòèé Ñòåïàíîâè÷ (1900 ã.ð.) è èõ ñëóæàíêà, Ðîâíåíêî Àííà Ñòåïàíîâíà (Ñåì¸íîâíà?) ïðèáûëè â Ìàíü÷æóðèþ â 1922ã. èç Òîìñêà. (Ýòî äàííûå èç àðõèâà ÁÐÝÌ). Íó à ïîçæå, ñêîðåå âñåãî , ÿ äóìàþ, â 1945 îíè ïðèáûëè â Àâñòðàëèþ.  1960-70-õõ ãîäàõ îíè ïîñûëàëè ïèñüìà è ïîñûëêè ìîåé ñåñòðå, â ÑÑÑÐ, ïîòîì ñâÿçü ïðåêðàòèëàñü. Àäðåñ áûë - 29, Wolseley st., Brisbane. Ïî ðàññêàçàì, äåòåé ó íèõ íå áûëî.  2016-îì ãîäó ÿ ïèñàë íà ýëåêòðîííóþ ïî÷òó ìýðèè Áðèñáåíà è ìíå ïðèø¸ë òàêîé îòâåò îò ìýðà - I asked Brisbane City Cemeteries to look into your request and can advise that Innokentiy Konovalov, Maria Vladimirovna Konovaloff and Anna Stepanobna Rovnenko are buried side by side at Toowong Cemetery in Brisbane. Innokentiy Konovalov was buried in Portion 8, Section 43, Grave 4 on 28 March 1977 aged 74. Maria Vladimirovna Konovaloff was buried in Portion 8, Section 43, Grave 3 on 26 January 1965 aged 55, and Anna Stepanobna Rovnenko was buried in Portion 8, Section 43, Grave 5 on 16 August 1983 aged 72. À íàéäÿ âàø ïðåêðàñíûé ôîðóì, ÿ ïîëàçèë ïî ññûëêàì â øàïêå è íàø¸ë, ÷òî åñòü äåëà íà âñåõ èõ,  Íàöèîíàëüíîì Àðõèâå Àâñòðàëèè. Íî íå ìîãó ïîíÿòü, êàê çàêàçàòü ýòè äåëà è ñêîëüêî ýòî áóäåò ñòîèòü?  çàïèñÿõ ñïèñêîâ ãîëîñîâàíèÿ îíè åñòü, íî âèäèìî, æèëè ðàíüøå íà îñòðîâå Ìîðåòîí è â Ãðèôôèòå (Áðèñáåí)  Íàöèîíàëüíîé áèáëèîòåêå Àâñòðàëèè çàòðóäíÿþñü èñêàòü. Çàïèñè î ðîæäåíèè, ñìåðòè, áðàêå Êâèíñëåíäà è https://familysearch.org ó íàñ íå îòêðûâàþòñÿ ñàéòû. Íàäî èñêàòü - Innokentiy Konovalov, Maria Vladimirovna Konovaloff è Anna Stepanobna Rovnenko (òðàíñêðèïöèÿ èìåííî òàêàÿ, íî â êàêîé-òî çàïèñè åñòü åù¸ Àííà Ñåì¸íîâíà Ðîâíåíêî, âèäèìî îíà æå). Õîòåëîñü áû óçíàòü, ìîæåò ó íèõ áûëè ïðè¸ìíûå äåòè? Áóäó ïðèçíàòåëåí çà ëþáóþ ïîìîùü. | | |
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Íå âñå äåëà èìåþò ôîòîãðàôèè. Êàê ïîâåçåò. Ìîæíî èíîãäà íàéòè ôîòîãðàôèè â ãàçåòàõ. Êîãî èùåì? Ìîæåòå íàïèñàòü â ëè÷êó. ---
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Êîììåíòàðèé ìîäåðàòîðà:
Ïîèñê ïî Àâñòðàëèè:
Íàöèîíàëüíûé àðõèâ Àâñòðàëèè. http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx
Òåëåôîííûé ñïðàâî÷íèê Àâñòðàëèè: http://www.whitepages.com.au/
Íàöèîíàëüíàÿ áèáëèîòåêà Àâñòðàëèè ( îíëàéí àðõèâ ãàçåò, æóðíàëîâ) http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/
The Ryerson Index. Çàìåòêè î ñìåðòè â ãàçåòàõ Àâñòðàëèè http://ryersonindex.net/search.php
Íåêðîëîãè http://oa.anu.edu.au/
Àncestry http://search.ancestry.com
FamilySearch https://familysearch.org/search/
Findmypast http://www.findmypast.com/
Çàïèñè î ðîæäåíèè, ñìåðòè, áðàêå ïî àäìèíèñòðàòèâíîìó äåëåíèþ.
New South Wales, NSW http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Page...story.aspx
Queensland, QLD https://www.qld.gov.au/law/bir...-research/
South Australia, SA https://www.genealogysa.org.au...bases.html
Tasmania, TAS http://www.linc.tas.gov.au/fam...riage.aspx
Victoria, VIC http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home...y+history/
Western Australia, WA http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/
Northern Territory, NT https://www.nla.gov.au/researc...-territory
Australian Capital Territory, ACT https://www.nla.gov.au/researc...-territory
Ñïèñîê ðóññêèõ èììèãðàíòîâ ïðèáûâøèõ â 1913 ã. â Àâñòðàëèþ
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/JCNh/ap4tc8pz8
Ñïèñîê äåòåé ðóññêèõ èììèãðàíòîâ çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûõ â îäíó èç øêîë Àâñòðàëèè â 1931 ã.
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/5i8F/4q2gNioLq
"Èììèãðàíò" è "Ýìèãðàíò" - ñëîâà — àíòîíèìû, è îá îäíîì ÷åëîâåêå ìîæíî ñêàçàòü, ÷òî îí èììèãðàíò äëÿ òîé ñòðàíû, â êîòîðóþ îí ïåðåñåëèëñÿ, è ýìèãðàíò — äëÿ òîé ñòðàíû, êîòîðóþ ïîêèíóë.