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Ñîîáùåíèé: 23 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2003 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 9 | Ââåðõ #16 íîÿáðÿ 2003 12:30 [q] Ôèíëÿíäèÿ (ôèí. Suomi, øâåä. Finland, ïðîèçíîøåíèå íà îáîèõ ÿçûêàõ (èíô.); îôèöèàëüíî — Ôèíëÿ́íäñêàÿ Ðåñïó́áëèêà, ôèí. Suomen tasavalta, øâåä. Republiken Finland[5]) — ãîñóäàðñòâî â Ñåâåðíîé Åâðîïå íà âîñòî÷íîì ïîáåðåæüå Áàëòèéñêîãî ìîðÿ. Íà âîñòîêå ãðàíè÷èò ñ Ðîññèåé è âõîäÿùåé â å¸ ñîñòàâ ðåñïóáëèêîé Êàðåëèåé, íà ñåâåðå ñ Íîðâåãèåé è íà çàïàäå ñî Øâåöèåé. Íà þãå áëèæàéøèì ñîñåäîì ÿâëÿåòñÿ Ýñòîíèÿ ê þãó îò Ôèíñêîãî çàëèâà. Ñòîëèöà è êðóïíåéøèé ãîðîä Ôèíëÿíäèè — Õåëüñèíêè. Âèêèïåäèß
[/q] Íàöèîíàëüíûé àðõèâ Ôèíëÿíäèè Ïåðåïîñò >>>>ÀÒÄ ÔèíëÿíäèèÒåððèòîðèÿ Ôèíëÿíäèè äåëèòñÿ íà ðåãèîíû (ôèí. maakunnat/øâåä. landskap), ðåãèîíû íà ãîðîäà (ôèí. kaupunki/øâåä. stad) è êîììóíû (ôèí. kunta/øâåä. kommun).
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litanaÄîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà  Ðîññèÿ, Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 6087 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2009 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 2951 | alyra Àëë. Ìåíÿ òàì èíòåðåñóåò ôàìèëèÿ Snow, à íå Áåðã. À ìîæíî óçíàòü òî÷íî ïî êàêîìó àäðåñó èì ïèñàòü è ìîæíî ëè íà àíãëèéñêîì èëè íåìåöêîì? Çàðàíåå áîëüøèå ñïàñèáû! | | |
Áåð-ÃëèíêàÄîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà Ãåíåàëîã ðîäà Áåð  Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 1257 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2007 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 397 | alyra Àëëà! Âîò ýòî ðåàëüíàÿ ïîìîùü! ß ïðàâäà, î÷åíü! î÷åíü ïðèçíàòåëåí Âàì! Äàæå íå çíàþ êàê áëàãîäàðèòü... Ïëþñèêè ÿ âðîäå óæå ïîñòàâèë..  àðõèâ ÿ íàïèñàë. íàøåë òàêæå Ìóçåé ãîðîäà Ëàïïåíðàíòà è íàïèñàë è òóäà òîæå: South Karelia Museum - regional museum Situated in the Fortress of Lappeenranta, the Regional Museum of South Karelia Mailing address: South Karelia Museum, P.O.Box 239, 53101 Lappeenranta Further information : tel: +358 5 616 2255, +358 5 616 2261 Fax: +358 5 616 2911 e-mail: museot@lappeenranta.fi Òåïåðü ñèæó è æäó îòâåòîâ ))) À åñëè Âû åùå è êíèãó ïîñìîòðèòå, ýòî áóäåò --- Õâàëà Îò÷èçíå. ×òî áû áåç íåå
Ìû çíàëè î íàðêîòèêàõ è âèíàõ,
Î õîëîäå, äîðîãàõ, õåðóâèìàõ,
Ðîäèòåëÿõ è öåíàõ íà ñûðüå.
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alyraÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà  Suomi Ñîîáùåíèé: 1265 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2007 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 330 | Ââåðõ #1 èþíÿ 2010 20:18 1 èþíÿ 2010 20:22 Iitana,Áåð-Ãëèíêà Ñåãîäíÿ äîçâîíèëàñü äî ìóçåÿ â ã.Ëàïïååíðàíòà. Ïîñìîòðåëè ïåðå÷åíü ôèî, îïóáëèêîâàííûõ â êíèãå( òîðãîâûå äîìà è òîðãîâöû), íî ê ñîæàëåíèþ ôèî Berh, Ber, Bahr, Bar, Snow ñðåäè íèõ íåò. Íî íå îò÷àèâàéòåñü ò.ê. àâòîð ïèñàëà â îñíîâíîì î èçâåñòíûõ òîðãîâöàõ òê Âîëêîâ, Òàñèõèí, Àëåêñàíäðîâ è ôèíñêèõ òîðãîâöàõ. Ìîæåò áûòü àðõèâ ýòîãî ãîðîäà ïîäñêàæåò ãäå ìîæíî íàéòè âñåõ êóïöîâ è òîðãîâöåâ. Ïîñìîòðåòü ñàìà êíèãó íå ìîãó òê æèâó â 1,5 ÷àñàõ åçäû îò Ëàïïååíðàíòû. --- èùó Õàéêàðà Ìåõèëÿéíåí Õàéìè Ðîíêîíåí Ïóêêè Õÿííèêÿéíåí | | |
alyraÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà  Suomi Ñîîáùåíèé: 1265 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2007 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 330 | Iitana  Ôèíëÿíäèè ìíîãèå ãîâîðÿò íà àíãëèéñêîì, è ÿ äóìàþ ÷òî â àðõèâàõ îáÿçàòåëüíî åñòü ÷åëîâåê âëàäåþùèé àíãë., ðåäêèé ÿçûê íåìåöêèé. Àäðåñ âûøå ó Áåð-Ãëèíêà. --- èùó Õàéêàðà Ìåõèëÿéíåí Õàéìè Ðîíêîíåí Ïóêêè Õÿííèêÿéíåí | | |
alyraÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà  Suomi Ñîîáùåíèé: 1265 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2007 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 330 | --- èùó Õàéêàðà Ìåõèëÿéíåí Õàéìè Ðîíêîíåí Ïóêêè Õÿííèêÿéíåí | | |
Áåð-ÃëèíêàÄîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà Ãåíåàëîã ðîäà Áåð  Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 1257 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2007 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 397 | Ââåðõ #7 èþíÿ 2010 23:15 7 èþíÿ 2010 23:18 alyra Ïîäòâåðæäàþ ñêàçàííîå Âàìè ïî êíèãå. Ðåçóëüòàò îòðèöàòåëüíûé. Íà äíÿõ ïîëó÷èë îòâåòû îò äîáðîñîâåñòíûõ ôèííîâ èç àðõèâà è ìóçåÿ Ëàïïåíðàíòû. Ðåçóëüòàò òàêæå íåãàòèâíûé. Îòâåò èç ìóçåÿ Âèëüìàíñòðàíäà.04.06.2010 satu.eiskonen@lappeenranta.fi Dear Mr. Behr, Thank you for your letter about merchant Behr. I asked your question from two different historian who have studied merchants and Lappeenranta history. The name did not seem familiar to the other historian who studied Lappeenranta/Vilmanstrand merchants, but she told that at Lappeenranta city archives there are the lists and registers about the merchants who have operated in Lappeenranta. The other historian has studied Viipuri/Vyborg city archives and there are also information about Lappeenranta merchants. She will study her memos during the summer and we'll get back to you if she finds some information about Behr in her notes. Have a nice summer! Best regards, Satu Eiskonen Chief Curator South Karelia Museum PO Box 239 53101 Lappeenranta tel +358 40 579 5744 email satu.eiskonen@lappeenranta.fi www.lappeenranta.fi/museot Îòâåò èç àðõèâà Âèëüìàíñòðàíäà.04 Èþí 2010 13:20:41 Meuronen Annika <Annika.Meuronen@lappeenranta.fi> Dear Mr Behr! I am sorry to have kept you waiting for an answer to your message. Lappeenranta city archives do not contain a lot of material from the time period you mentioned. We have a list of those with rights to trade in Lappeenranta and some copies of census records from that time. Going through these documents I didn't find anyone by the name Behr or anything close to it. Lappeenranta was a very small city at that time, with only about 300 citizens. There seems to have been only one person by the name Simon, but his last name was Kymlander (meaning: a person who lives in Kymi). He was 21 years old in 1827 and was a bookkeeper with tradesman Harlam Dmittrieff. Could it be possible that your ancestor would have changed his name, maybe as he moved to St.Petersburg? I also checked the book by Mervi Kansonen as well as three other books of Lappeenranta in early 1800's, with no results. As most of the oldest documents of Lappeenranta are kept in Mikkelin maakunta-arkisto (provincial archives) and Kansallisarkisto (National Archives), I recommend that you contact these. The Evangelical-Lutheran church keeps records of births, deaths, marriages etc. They may be able to help you, too. All these authorities have their own sites in the Internet. Here are their E-mail addresses: Mikkelin maakunta-arkisto: mikkeli@narc.fi Kansallisarkisto: kansallisarkisto@narc.fi Evang.-Luth.Church in Lappeenranta: lappeenranta.keskusrekisteri@evl.fi Each have their own rates for their services. I wish you luck with your research. With kind regards, Annika Meuronen È âîò ÷òî ìåíÿ íà÷èíàåò óäèâëÿòü áîëüøå âñåãî: ÁÎÒÈÍÎÊ ÅÑÒÜ, À ÐÅÁÅÍÊÀ  ÍÅÌ ÍÅÒ!!! Ñåìåí Áåð, óêàçûâàâøèé ñåáÿ êàê Âèëüìàíñòðàíäñêèé êóïåö è åãî ñûí. Âîëüäåìàð Áåð, òàêæå óêàçûâàâøèé ñåáÿ êàê Âèëüìàíñòðàíäñêèé êóïåö, ïî÷åìó-òî íå ÷èñëÿòñÿ â ñïèñêàõ êóïöîâ ãîðîäà Âèëüìàíñòðàíäà, õîòÿ "Lappeenranta was a very small city at that time, with only about 300 citizens". Âíèìàíèå, âîïðîñ: ÊÀÊ ÒÀÊ???????? --- Õâàëà Îò÷èçíå. ×òî áû áåç íåå
Ìû çíàëè î íàðêîòèêàõ è âèíàõ,
Î õîëîäå, äîðîãàõ, õåðóâèìàõ,
Ðîäèòåëÿõ è öåíàõ íà ñûðüå.
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Áåð-ÃëèíêàÄîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà Ãåíåàëîã ðîäà Áåð  Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 1257 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2007 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 397 | Ââåðõ #7 èþíÿ 2010 23:20 7 èþíÿ 2010 23:21 Åäèíñòâåííûì ïîëîæèòåëüíûì ðåçóëüòàòîì ìîåé ïåðåïèñêè ìîãó ñ÷èòàòü äàííóþ ìíå ññûëêó íà Evang.-Luth.Church in Lappeenranta: lappeenranta.keskusrekisteri@evl.fi íàïèñàë èì âîïðîñ ïî Ëàïïåíðàíòñêèì ìåòðèêàì, àäðåñóÿ "Dear father!" àâîñü îòâåòÿò --- Õâàëà Îò÷èçíå. ×òî áû áåç íåå
Ìû çíàëè î íàðêîòèêàõ è âèíàõ,
Î õîëîäå, äîðîãàõ, õåðóâèìàõ,
Ðîäèòåëÿõ è öåíàõ íà ñûðüå.
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litanaÄîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà  Ðîññèÿ, Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 6087 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2009 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 2951 | Áåð-Ãëèíêà íàïèñàë: [q] È âîò ÷òî ìåíÿ íà÷èíàåò óäèâëÿòü áîëüøå âñåãî: ÁÎÒÈÍÎÊ ÅÑÒÜ, À ÐÅÁÅÍÊÀ  ÍÅÌ ÍÅÒ!!! Ñåìåí Áåð, óêàçûâàâøèé ñåáÿ êàê Âèëüìàíñòðàíäñêèé êóïåö è åãî ñûí. Âîëüäåìàð Áåð, òàêæå óêàçûâàâøèé ñåáÿ êàê Âèëüìàíñòðàíäñêèé êóïåö, ïî÷åìó-òî íå ÷èñëÿòñÿ â ñïèñêàõ êóïöîâ ãîðîäà Âèëüìàíñòðàíäà, õîòÿ "Lappeenranta was a very small city at that time, with only about 300 citizens".
Âíèìàíèå, âîïðîñ: ÊÀÊ ÒÀÊ???????? [/q]
Àíäðåé. Êàê ìíå êòî-òî òó íà ôîðóìå ïîäñêàçàë. ×òî îíè (è Âàøè Áåðû è ìîè Ñíî) êóïèëè òàì êîíöåññèþ, ïîýòîìó è ÷èñëèëèñü êàê Âèëüìàíñòðàíäñêèå êóïöû. ß íå î÷åíü ïîíÿëà ýòî, íî ïîòåðÿëà, ãäå ìíå îòâåòèëè Ìîæåò Âû ñìîæåòå îáúÿñíèòü. Êàê ìíå ìóæ ïîïûòàëñÿ îáúÿñíèòü, ýòî êàê â ñîâðåìåííîå âðåìÿ, ñâîáîäíûå çîíû, òàì áèçíåñ âûãîäíî çàâîäèòü, òèïà íàëîãè ïëàòèòü ìåíüøå... ×òî-òî èç ýòîé îáëàñòè... Åñëè ïîéìåòå, ïîäåëèòåñü | | |
litanaÄîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà  Ðîññèÿ, Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 6087 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2009 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 2951 | Áåð-Ãëèíêà íàïèñàë: [q] Åäèíñòâåííûì ïîëîæèòåëüíûì ðåçóëüòàòîì ìîåé ïåðåïèñêè ìîãó ñ÷èòàòü äàííóþ ìíå ññûëêó íà Evang.-Luth.Church in Lappeenranta: lappeenranta.keskusrekisteri@evl.fi íàïèñàë èì âîïðîñ ïî Ëàïïåíðàíòñêèì ìåòðèêàì, àäðåñóÿ "Dear father!" àâîñü îòâåòÿò[/q]
È íà ýòî òîæå îòâåò èíòåðåñåí. | | |
alyraÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà  Suomi Ñîîáùåíèé: 1265 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2007 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 330 | Ââåðõ #8 èþíÿ 2010 15:24 8 èþíÿ 2010 15:28 Áåð-Ãëèíêà Îòâåò âåäü íå ñîâñåì îòðèöàòåëüíûé.  ìóçåå îáåùàþò âàì ñîîáùèòü î Áåðàõ åñëè îíè íàéäóòñÿ, òê îíè åùå èçó÷àþò èñòîðèþ òîðãîâëè. È îíè ïðàâû, ÷òî áîëüøå ìîæíî óçíàòü â àðõèâå ã.Âûáîðãà. Âàøè áûëè âèäèìî ìåëêèìè òîðãîâöàìè è ïðèåçæàëè íà ÿðìàðêè.  òî âðåìÿ îñåíüþ â ã. Ëàïïååíðàíòà ïðîâîäèëèñü êðóïíûå ÿðìàðêè, êóäà ïðèåçæàëè òîðãîâöû íå òîëüêî èç Ôèíëÿíäèè, íî èç Ðîññèè, Ãåðìàíèè, Áàëòèè è Ñêàíäèíàâèè. Íà òîðãîâëþ íà ÿðìàðêå íàäî áûëî îïëà÷èâàòü ïîøëèíó êàê è ñåé÷àñ.  Ëàïïååíðàíòå ñóùåñòâîâàëà òàêæå òàìîæíÿ. --- èùó Õàéêàðà Ìåõèëÿéíåí Õàéìè Ðîíêîíåí Ïóêêè Õÿííèêÿéíåí | | |
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Ïîæàëóéñòà, ïî îòäåëüíûì íàñåëåííûì ìåñòàì è ñâîèì ëè÷íûì ïîèñêàì îòêðûâàéòå òåìû â ôàìèëüíûõ èëè äíåâíèêîâûõ ðàçäåëàõ. Ñïèñêè íàñåëåííûõ ìåñò ïî ñòðàíàì îãðîìíû è æåëàþùèõ îòêðûòü èíäèâèäóàëüíûå òåìû ìíîãî. Äîïóñêàåòñÿ ðàçáèâêà â ðàçäåëå ïî ðåãèîíàì, ãîðîäàì, êîììóíàì. Ïðîñüáà - ïðèäåðæèâàòüñÿ ýòîé ñõåìû.