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Ñïàñèáî îãðîìíîå Âåðîíèêà! Ïðîáëåìà â òîì , ÷òî ÿ íåçíàþ ñ ÷åãî íà÷àòü ïîèñêè ðîäîñëîâíîé. Êàêàÿ âåòâü ãðàôîâ è ñ êàêîãî âðåìåíè îíè ïðîæèâàëè â Áðåñòå- íåèçâåñòíî. ß òîëüêî ïîêà çíàþ, ÷òî ìîÿ áàáóøêà ïðÿìîé ïîòîìîê ãðàôîâ Ïîòîöêèõ, è åå ïðåäêè ðîäîì èç Áðåñòñêîé îáëàñòè. Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ÿ îãðàíè÷åíà ñ íåé â îáùåíèè,ò.ê. æèâåì â ðàçíûõ ñòðàíàõ, åå áðàòüåâ,ñåñòåð íåò óæå â æèâûõ. Íî íàäåþñü åùå ÷òî-òî îò íåå óçíàòü. Ïîìîãèòå, ïîñîâåòóéòå ñ ÷åãî íà÷àòü ïîèñêè, è êàê áûòü â äàííîé ñèòóàöèè!!!!! Çàðàíåå áëàãîäàðþ, Èðèíà.

Potocki, h. Pilawa Srebrna and Pilawa Zlota.
Pilawa Srebrna
1. Brody Branch: Franciszek-Stanislaw-Josef (son of Wincenty by his wife Anna Mycielska), b. 1788, d. 1853 appears in the 1824 list of persons authorised to bear the title of Count in the Kingdom of Poland. He obtained the hereditary title of Count from Czar Nicholas I on 16th July 1838. The title became extinct upon his death without issue.
2. Lancut and Antoniny Branch: Josef-Mikolaj-Ksawery-Maria-Alfred obtained from Czar Alexander III Russian authorisation to be included as a Count in the 4th Part of the register of nobles of Volhynia.
3. Tulczyn Branch: Konstanty-Josef, b. 1846, obtained the hereditary title of Count from Czar Nicholas II on 28th April 1903.
4. Wilanow, Jablonna and Brzezany Branch: Cecyl, Urszula, Kajetan, Ignacy, Jerzy-Michal, Stanislaw-Kostka and Jan (all children of Eustachy, d. 23rd February, 1768) obtained the hereditary title of Count of Galicia from Emperor Josef II. Aleksander-Stanislaw (1778-1845), son of the aforementioned Stanislaw-Kostka by his wife, Princess Aleksandra Lubomirska, appears in the 1824 list of persons authorised to bear the title of Count in the Kingdom of Poland. Stanislaw-Kostka obtained the hereditary title of Count from Czar Nicholas I on 12th April 1843 for himself and his two sons, Augustus and Stanislaw. His third son, Maurycy (1812-1879) obtained the hereditary title of Count from Czar Aleksander II of Russia. The title became extinct in 1949.
Pilawa Zlota
1. Smotrycz-Sawince Branch: Maria Gorska (widow of Stanislaw Potocki, d. 29th November, 1830) obtained the hereditary title of Countess from Czar Nicholas I of Russia on 12th January 1843. The title became extinct upon her death. Antoni, brother of the late Stanislaw), b. 1780, d. 18th October 1850 appears in the 1824 list of persons authorised to bear the title of Count in the Kingdom of Poland.
2. Buczacz Branch: Dominik, d. 1803 obtained the hereditary title of Count of Galicia on 20th September 1777 (L.P. 11th March 1788).
3. Siemienice-Parzymiechy Branch: Michal, d. 1855, appears in the 1824 list of persons authorised to bear the title of Count in the Kingdom of Poland.
4. Bedlewo-Dakowy Mokre Branch: Boleslaw-Euolge, b. 1st December 1829 (son of Maximilian by his wife Josephine Wyszynska) obtained the title of Cont from Pope Leo XIII on 6th May 1889 for himself and his two sons (succession by primogeniture). The title is extinct.

Íóæíî ïîìíèòü, ÷òî ñóùåñòâîâàëî äîñòàòî÷íîå êîëè÷åñòâî ðîäîâ ïîëüçîâàâøèõñÿ ðàçíûìè òèòóëàìè, áåç âñÿêîãî íà òî ïðàâà, äàæå â îôèöèàëüíûõ äîêóìåíòàõ.

Ó Ïîòîöêèõ áûëà, ìîæíî ñêàçàòü, ìàíèÿ íàçûâàòü ñåáÿ ãðàôàìè, áåç âñÿêèõ íà òî îñíîâàíèé. Ïðèòîì, òàêîâûìè íàçûâàëèñü Ïîòîöêèå ðàçíîãî ïðîèñõîæäåíèÿ è ðàçíûõ ãåðáîâ.

Èç íàñòîÿùèõ ãðàôîâ (ðàçíûõ âðåìåí ïîæàëîâàíèé è ïîäòâåðæäåíèé) â ìóæñêîì ïîêîëåíèè âñå óãàñëè, ñàìûé ïîñëåäíèé â 1949-ì.

Çà èñêëþ÷åíèåì îäíîé ëèíèè, ïîëó÷èâøåé ïðàâî ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ ãðàôñêèì òèòóëîì â 1903, âëàäåëè îðäèíàöèåé Òåïëèê. Æèâóò â Ïîëüøå.

Ñóùåñòâóþò òàêæå âåòâè, êîòîðûå çàêîííî ïîëüçîâàëèñü òèòóëàìè â Öàðñòâå Ïîëüñêîì, äî óíèôèêàöèè ïðàâèë ñ Ðîññèéñêîé Èìïåðèåé, â ïîñëåäñòèè íå ïîäòâåðäèâ ñâîè ïðàâà íà òèòóë. Ò.å. âî âòîðîé ïîë. 19 ñò. èõ òèòóëû äëÿ ïîòîìêîâ óæå íè èìåëè çàêîííîé ñèëû.

OXA íàïèñàë:

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Íå ñòîèò çàáûâàòü ïðî Ïîòîöêèõ ãåðáîâ Ëþáè÷ è Øåëèãà. Îíè ïîäòâåðæäàëè òèòóë. åñòü äîêóìåíòû. ×òî äî Ïîòîöêèõ Ïèëÿâèòîâ, òî íå ñòîèò çàáûâàòü ïðî ëèíèþ Þçåôà Ïîòîöêîãî (àíòîíèíñêî-øåïåòîâñêàÿ ëèíèÿ), êîòîðûé â êîíöå 19 âåêà ïîëó÷èë ïðàâî ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ ãðàôñêèì òèòóëîì. Ëèíèÿ íå óãàñëà.

×òî äî Ïîòîöêèõ ãåðáà Ëþáè÷, òî îíè òîæå æèâóò â Ïîëüøå.

Ñìåþ íå ñîãëàñèòüñÿ ñ "ìàíèåé" Ïîòîöêèõ èìåíîâàòü ñåáÿ ãðàôüÿìè. Ïðè èõ ïîëîæåíèè â îáùåñòâå, áîãàòñòâå îíè ïîëó÷àëè (ïîäòâåðæäàÿ) ýòè ïðàâà è òèòóëû.

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Ïîòîöêèå ãåðáîâ "Øåëèãà" è "Ëþáè÷" íèêîãäà îôèàëüíîãî ïîäòâåðæäåíèÿ ïðàâ ïîëüçîâàíèÿ òèòóëàìè íå ïîëó÷àëè.

Åñëè áû Ïîòîöêèå òðàäèöèîííî æèëè â Âåëèêîì Êíÿæåñòâå Ëèòîâñêîì, òî ìîæíî áûëî áû àïïåëèðîâàòü íà ïðàâà "ôåîäàëüíûõ ãðàôñòâ", îäíàêî, îíè æèëè â Êîðîíå, à â Ïîëüñêîì Êîðîëåâñòâå èõ òèòóëû íè÷åãî íå çíà÷èëè (äà è áîëüøèíñòâî ýòèõ òèòóëîâ ïðèõîäèòñÿ íà âðåìåíà ïîñëå Ðàçäåëîâ Ðå÷è Ïîñïîëèòîé, ò.å. òðåáîâàëîñü ïîäòâåðæäåíèå/ðàçðåøåíèå/ïîæàëîâàíèå îò íîâûõ ìîíàðõîâ).

Ïî Àíòîíèíñêîé ëèíèè â ëèòåðàòóðå âñòðå÷àåòñÿ óïîìèíàíèå, ÷òî îíè êàê-áóäòî ïîëó÷èëè â 1890 ãîäó ïîäòâåðæäåíèå ïðàâà ïîëüçîâàíèÿ òèòóëîì. Òîëüêî íå ïîíÿòíî, ïî÷åìó îá ýòîì íåò óïîìèíàíèé â "Ñåíàòñêèõ âåäîìîñòÿõ". Âû ìîæåòå ïðèâåñòè ññûëêè íà óêàç, ðàçðåøàþùèé èì ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ òèòóëîì?

Ïîëîæåíèå â îáùåñòâå èìååò âåñüìà îïîñðåäîâàíîå îòíîøåíèå ê òóòóëàì. Êîãäà èñïàíñêèé êîðîëü ïðèçíàåò ã-íó Äóðàñîâó òèòóë ïðèíöà Àíæóéñêîãî ãåðöîãà Äóðàööî — òîãäà îí òàêîâûì è ñòàíåò.

OXA íàïèñàë:

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 1891 ð. Ïîòîöüê³-Ôîõ ç Òóðá³éîâêè îòðèìàëè ãðàôñüêèé òèòóë òà âïèñàí³ â ðîäîâ³äí³ êíèãè Êè¿âñüêî¿ ãóáåðí³¿

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Ïðèâåäèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, äàòó è íîìåð óêàçà Ïðàâèòåëüñòâóþùåãî Ñåíàòà ïî Äåïàðòàìåíòó Ãåðîëüäèè, èëè äàòó Èìåííîãî óêàçà, èëè ññûëêó íà ïóáëèêàöèþ óêàçà â "Ñåíàòñêèõ âåäîìîñòÿõ", ñ óêàçàíèåì ïîæàëîâàíèÿ ãðàôñêîãî òèòóëà èëè ðàçðåøåíèÿ ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ ýòèì Ïîòîöêèì ãðàôñêèì òèòóëîì. Åñëè "Ñåíàòñêèå âåäîìîñòè" çà ýòîò ãîä åñòü â Ìèíñêå, ÿ ïîñìîòðþ, åñòü ëè òàì ñâåäåíèÿ îá ýòîì òèòóëå.