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Ïðîøó ðàññìîòðåòü èìåþùèåñÿ ó ìåíÿ ñâåäåíèÿ ñ òåì, ÷òîáû ïîìî÷ü ìíå â èññëåäîâàíèè èñòîðèè ìîåé ñåìüè. Èìåþùèåñÿ ñâåäåíèÿ òàêîâû:
1. Êðàéíèé èçâåñòíûé ïðåäîê (ÔÈÎ è ëþáûå äîñòóïíûå ñâåäåíèÿ î íåì)
2. Õî÷ó èññëåäîâàòü îòöîâñêóþ/ìàòåðèíñêóþ ëèíèþ, íàéòè áðàòüåâ èëè ñåñòåð è ò.ä.
3. Ïðåäïîëîæèòåëüíûå ìåñòà ïðîæèâàíèÿ ðàçûñêèâàåìûõ ïðåäêîâ
4. Èçâåñòíûå ñâåäåíèÿ î áðàêîñî÷åòàíèÿõ (ãîä, ìåñòî è ò.ä.)
5. Ñîñëîâèå
6. Äîïîëíèòåëüíûå ñâåäåíèÿ, ìîãóùèå ïîìî÷ü â ïîèñêå (ÔÈÎ ñóïðóãà / ñóïðóãè, èçâåñòíûå äåòè, âåðîèñïîâåäàíèå,
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Ïåðâîå ïîêîëåíèå
1. Ïðà-ïðàäåä - Íîðò Ñàìóýëü (1895-33=1862 ã.)
Âòîðîå ïîêîëåíèå
1.1. Ïðàäåäóøêà - Íîðò Ðè÷àðä Ñàìóèëîâè÷
Æåíà ¹1 Ïðàáàáóøêà - Ìèííè (óìåíüøèòåëüíîå îò èìåíè Âèëüãåëüìèíà), (áðàê â 1904 ã.) (ðîäîì èç Àøòîí-àíäåð-Ëàéí (àíãë. Ashton-under-Lyne))
Æåíà ¹2
Òðåòüå ïîêîëåíèå
1.1.1. ñûí (îò æåíû ¹1) - óìåð â âîçðàñòå 2 ãîäà, çàõîðîíåí íà Ñìîëåíñêîì êëàäáèùå Ñ.- Ïåòåðáóðãà.
1.1.2. Áàáóøêà äî÷ü (îò æåíû ¹1) 1914 ãîäà ðîæäåíèÿ (Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã)
1.1.3. Ñûí (îò æåíû ¹2) - Íîðò Âëàäèìèð Ðè÷àðäîâè÷ (ïîãèá ïðè îñâîáîäåíèè Êàòîâèöå)
æåíà - Íîðò Ëþáîâü Àíäðååâíà
1.1.4. Ñûí (îò æåíû ¹2) Íîðò Ñàìóèë Ðè÷àðäîâè÷
æåíà - Íîðò Ëþáîâü Àíäðååâíà
×åòâåðòîå ïîêîëåíèå
1.1.2.1. Äî÷ü (ìàìà Éåíà) - (âíó÷êà Ìèííè)
1.1.4.1. Âíóê - Íîðò Ðè÷àðä Ñàìóéëîâè÷
æåíà ¹1 - Íîðò (óðîæäåííàÿ Óäàëîâà) Ìàðèÿ Àôàíàñüåâíà (áðàê â 1918 çàêëþ÷åí ïî ÌÊ - ÖÃÀ ÑÏá) - óìåðëà â 1924 â âîçðàñòå 27 ëåò -( ÖÃÀ ÑÏá)
æåíà ¹2 - Íîðò (óðîæäåííàÿ Øàáóíüêî) Åëåíà
Ïÿòîå ïîêîëåíèå
1.1.2.1.1. Éåí (ó÷àñòíèê ôîðóìà)
1.1.4.1.1. äî÷ü Ìàðèÿ â 1919 ãîäó (Ëåíèíãðàä) - (îò æåíû ¹1)
1.1.4.1.2. ñûí (îò æåíû ¹2) Ñàìóèë Ðè÷àðäîâè÷ 1923 (Ëåíèíãðàä)
1.1.4.1.3. ñûí (îò æåíû ¹2) Âëàäèìèð Ðè÷àðäîâè÷ 1925 (Ëåíèíãðàä)


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Âñåì ïðèâåò!

ß íîâè÷îê íà ýòîì ñàéòå è ðåøèëà ïðåäñòàâèòüñÿ. Ìåíÿ çîâóò Éåíà, è ÿ æèâó â Ìàí÷åñòåðå, Àíãëèÿ. Ïîæàëóéñòà, èçâèíèòå, ÿ íå ãîâîðþ ïî-ðóññêè, ïîýòîìó íàäåþñü, ÷òî Google Translate ñäåëàåò ìî¸ ñîîáùåíèå ÷èòàáåëüíûì!

È åù¸ ðàç èçâèíÿþñü çà äëèííîå ñîîáùåíèå, íî íàäåþñü, ÷òî êàêàÿ-íèáóäü èíôîðìàöèÿ î í¸ì îêàæåòñÿ ïîëåçíîé èëè èíòåðåñíîé.

Ìîÿ ñåìüÿ áûëà ðàáî÷èìè õëîïêîïðÿäèëüíîé ôàáðèêè èç Ëàíêàøèðà, Àíãëèÿ. Îíè ïåðååõàëè â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã â êîíöå XIX âåêà. Ìîé ïðàïðàäåä áûë óïðàâëÿþùèì ôàáðèêè ÐÒÌ (Ðîññèéñêàÿ áóìàãîïðÿäèëüíàÿ ìàíóôàêòóðà) ñ 1895 ïî 1906 ãîä. Åãî ñûí, ìîé ïðàäåäóøêà, áûë óïðàâëÿþùèì ÷åñàëüíûì öåõîì íà Åêàòåðèíãîôñêîé áóìàãîïðÿäèëüíîé ìàíóôàêòóðå. Òàì îí æåíèëñÿ íà ìîåé ïðàáàáóøêå, ó íèõ áûëî äâîå äåòåé: ñûí, óìåðøèé â âîçðàñòå äâóõ ëåò (ïîõîðîíåí íà Ñìîëåíñêîì êëàäáèùå), è ìîÿ áàáóøêà.

Ìîé ïðàïðàäåä âåðíóëñÿ â Àíãëèþ â 1906 ãîäó, íî ìîé ïðàäåäóøêà Ðè÷àðä Íîðò (ÍÎÐÒ ÐÈ×ÀÐÄ ÑÀÌÓÈËÎÂÈ×) îñòàëñÿ â Ðîññèè ñî ñâîåé æåíîé.  1917 ãîäó ìîÿ ïðàáàáóøêà ïîêèíóëà Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã âìåñòå ñ ìîåé áàáóøêîé (êîòîðîé òîãäà áûëî 2 ãîäà), êîãäà íà÷àëàñü ðåâîëþöèÿ, è âåðíóëàñü â Àíãëèþ.

Ïî âîçâðàùåíèè â Àíãëèþ ìîÿ áàáóøêà áûëà ôàêòè÷åñêè áðîøåíà ìàòåðüþ, è ìû î÷åíü ìàëî çíàåì î ñóäüáå å¸ îòöà, Ðè÷àðäà, êîòîðûé òàê è íå ñìîã ïîêèíóòü Ðîññèþ. Ó ìîåé áàáóøêè áûëî îò íåãî ïèñüìî â 1930-õ ãîäàõ, â êîòîðîì, êàê ìû ïîëàãàåì, îí, âîçìîæíî, ðàññêàçûâàë åé î ñâîåé æèçíè â Ðîññèè. Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, îíà ñîæãëà ýòî ïèñüìî â ïîðûâå ãíåâà è íèêîìó â íàøåé ñåìüå íå ðàññêàçàëà î åãî ñîäåðæàíèè.

ß ïðîâåë ìíîãî îíëàéí-èññëåäîâàíèé âî âðåìÿ êàðàíòèíà èç-çà COVID è âîññòàíîâèëà ñâÿçü ñ äàëüíèìè ðîäñòâåííèêàìè, ÷òîáû ñîáðàòü âîåäèíî ôàêòû, êîòîðûå íàì èçâåñòíû.  ïåòåðáóðãñêèõ ñïðàâî÷íèêàõ ÿ âèæó, ÷òî ó íåãî åñòü çàïèñè äî 1934 ãîäà. Ôàìèëèÿ ìåíÿëàñü ñ ãîäàìè, ïîñêîëüêó áûëè íàéäåíû áîëåå óäà÷íûå ðóññêèå ïåðåâîäû ñëîâà «Ñåâåð»... ÍÎÐÄÀ, ÍÎÐÄ, ÍÎÐÒ, ÍÎÐÒÚ, Íîðäò. Ðîäñòâåííèêè ðàññêàçàëè ìíå î ïèñüìàõ, êîòîðûå ìû ïîëó÷àëè îò íåãî äî 1941/42 ãîäà, ïîýòîìó ìû ïîëàãàåì, ÷òî îí, âîçìîæíî, ïîãèá âî âðåìÿ áëîêàäû Ëåíèíãðàäà.

Ìû ïîëàãàåì, ÷òî îí ñíîâà æåíèëñÿ è ó íåãî áûëî êàê ìèíèìóì åù¸ äâîå äåòåé, îäèí èç êîòîðûõ (ÂËÀÄÈÌÈÐ ÐÈ×ÀÐÄÎÂÈ× ÍÎÐÒ) ïîãèá îôèöåðîì Êðàñíîé Àðìèè ïðè îñâîáîæäåíèè Êàòîâèöå â 1945 ãîäó. Âòîðîãî ñûíà, êàæåòñÿ, çâàëè ÍÎÐÄÀ ÑÀÌÓÈË ÐÈ×ÀÐÄÎÂÈ×. Åãî æåíó, êàæåòñÿ, çâàëè Ëþáîâü Àíäðååâíà Íîðä.

ß íàø¸ë òðè çàïèñè â ïåòåðáóðãñêîì àðõèâå, êîòîðûå, íàäåþñü, ðàññêàæóò íàì áîëüøå î åãî æèçíè òàì, î òîì, ïî÷åìó îí íå ñìîã ïîêèíóòü Ðîññèþ, è, âîçìîæíî, î òîì, åñòü ëè ó íàñ òàì ðîäñòâåííèêè. ß ñîõðàíèë ññûëêè èç òîãî èññëåäîâàíèÿ, íî, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, îíè ó ìåíÿ áîëüøå íå ðàáîòàþò. Àðõèâíûå ññûëêè áûëè...

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ß íå óâåðåí, çàáëîêèðîâàí ëè ìîé IP èç-çà ïå÷àëüíîãî ïîâîðîòà â ïîëèòè÷åñêîé ñèòóàöèè ìåæäó íàøèìè ñòðàíàìè, èëè ñàéò íåäîñòóïåí. ß ïëàíèðîâàë ïðèåõàòü ñ îòöîì â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã, ÷òîáû ïîëó÷èòü äîñòóï ê ýòèì çàïèñÿì, íî â îáîçðèìîì áóäóùåì ýòî íå ïðåäñòàâëÿåòñÿ âîçìîæíûì. Ìíå áû î÷åíü õîòåëîñü ïîäåëèòüñÿ èíôîðìàöèåé îá ýòèõ çàïèñÿõ ñ îòöîì ïðè åãî æèçíè.

Çíàåò ëè êòî-íèáóäü, êàê óçíàòü ñîäåðæàíèå ýòèõ çàïèñåé? Áóäó î÷åíü áëàãîäàðåí çà ëþáóþ ïîìîùü.

Òàêæå èíòåðåñíî, åñòü ëè ñïîñîá óçíàòü, áûëè ëè ó Ðè÷àðäà åù¸ äåòè è ïåðåæèë ëè êòî-íèáóäü èç ñåìüè áëîêàäó Ëåíèíãðàäà.
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>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ Henshaw îò 20 îêòÿáðÿ 2025 17:22
Ýòè çàïèñè íàõîäÿòñÿ â äâóõ ðàçíûõ àðõèâàõ , íå îöèôðîâàíû.Ïðîñìîòðåòü ìîæíî òîëüêî â ÷èòàëüíûõ çàëàõ àðõèâîâ.
 òåìå ïî ÖÃÀ ÑÏá â øàïêå èìåþòñÿ ñïèñêè ëþäåé, ðàáîòàþùèõ ñ àðõèâàìè, ñâÿæèòåñü ñ êåì-ëèáî èç íèõ.
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 ÖÃÀ ÑÏá åñòü çàïèñü î áðàêå 1918ã : Íîðò Ðè÷àðä Ñàìóéëîâè÷ è Óäàëîâà Ìàðèÿ Àôàíàñüåâíà ; è Øàáóíüêî Åëåíà; â 1919 ã ðîäèëàñü Ìàðèÿ, âî 2-ì áðàêå : Ñàìóèë â 1923, Âëàäèìèð â 1925. Çàïèñü î ñìåðòè Ìàðèè Àôàíàñüåâíû â 1924 ã â âîçðàñòå 27 ëåò.
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 Êíèãå ïàìÿòè áëîêàäíîãî Ëåíèíãðàäà- ÍÎÐÄ Âëàäèìèð Ðè÷àðäîâè÷.
Î í¸ì íà ÎÁÄ Ïàìÿòü íàðîäà 8 äîêóìåíòîâ :
- ïðèçâàí â 1943 ã, â îêòÿáðå 1944 ã îêîí÷èë Íîâîñèáèðñêîå ïåõîòíîå ó÷èëèùå, ìëàäøèé ëåéòåíàíò ; ìàòü-Ëþáîâü Àíäðååâíà (?) ; äî ïðèçûâà ðàáîòàë ýëåêòðîìîíò¸ðîì íà çàâîäå 153, Íîâîñèáèðñê.  ïðèêàçå îá èñêëþ÷åíèè èç ñïèñêîâ óêàçàí àäðåñ ìàòåðè,Ëþáîâü Àíäðååâíà, óë.Êîðÿêîâà,12 (Ëåíèíãðàä,Øóâàëîâî).
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Âîçìîæíûå çàïèñè ïîñëå 1925 ã- â Åäèíîé áàçå ÇÀÃÑ ñ äîêóìåíòàìè î ðîäñòâå.
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 òåëåôîííûõ ñïðàâî÷íèêàõ íà 1940,1947,1951,1969 ãã Âàøèõ Íîðò(ä,äò) íåò
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Henshaw Çäðàâñòâóéòå!

Henshaw íàïèñàë:
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ó íåãî áûëî êàê ìèíèìóì åù¸ äâîå äåòåé, îäèí èç êîòîðûõ (ÂËÀÄÈÌÈÐ ÐÈ×ÀÐÄÎÂÈ× ÍÎÐÒ) ïîãèá îôèöåðîì Êðàñíîé Àðìèè ïðè îñâîáîæäåíèè Êàòîâèöå â 1945 ãîäó
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Ïî ñâåäåíèÿì ñàéòà "Ïàìÿòü íàðîäà" (òåêñò âûïèñàí èç Êíèãè Ïàìÿòè Íîâîñèáèðñêîé îáëàñòè, ò.8):
Íîðò Âëàäèìèð Ðè÷àðäîâè÷, 1926 ã.ð., ðîäèëñÿ â ã.Ëåíèíãðàäå;
áûë ïðèçâàí Èïïîäðîìñêèì ÐÂÊ ãîðîäà Íîâîñèáèðñêà 3 ñåíòÿáðÿ 1943ãîäà â 904 ñòðåëêîâûé ïîëê 245 ñòðåëêîâîé äèâèçèè;
ïîãèá 27 ÿíâàðÿ 1945 ãîäà, ïîõîðîíåí â ã.Êàòîâèöå, Ïîëüøà.

Ïðèâåäåííàÿ âûøå èíôîðìàöèÿ îçíà÷àåò, ÷òî íà ìîìåíò ïðèçûâà íà ôðîíò þíîøà (17 ëåò ?) ïðîæèâàë â ãîðîäå Íîâîñèáèðñêå. Ëèáî åãî ñåìüÿ äî íà÷àëà âîéíû óæå ïðîæèâàëà â ã.Íîâîñèáèðñêå, ëèáî áûëà ýâàêóèðîâàíà èç Ëåíèíãðàäà â 1941-1942ã.ã. â ã.Íîâîñèáèðñê.
Ïî-ñêîëüêó èìÿ ïîãèáøåãî Âëàäèìèðà Ðè÷àðäîâè÷à Íîðòà âíåñåíî â Êíèãó Ïàìÿòè Íîâîñèáèðñêîé îáëàñòè, âîçìîæíî, â Íîâîñèáèðñêîì àðõèâå èìååòñÿ íåêîòîðàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ î í¸ì (ãäå è ñ êåì ïðîæèâàë, ãäå ó÷èëñÿ, ðàáîòàë).
Âûïèñàíî ñ ñàéòà Àðõèâîâ Íîâîñèáèðñêîé îáëàñòè:
"Íà ïîðòàëå «Ìóëüòèìåäèéíûé àðõèâ Íîâîñèáèðñêîé îáëàñòè» â ðàçäåëå «Òåìàòè÷åñêèå áàçû äàííûõ» («Ýâàêóèðîâàííûå») â ïîëíîì îáúåìå âíåñåíû ôàìèëèè ýâàêóèðîâàííûõ íà îñíîâàíèè ñïèñêîâ èç ôîíäà Ð-1030."
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Åëåíà.
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Ìîÿ ñåìüÿ áûëà ðàáî÷èìè õëîïêîïðÿäèëüíîé ôàáðèêè èç Ëàíêàøèðà, Àíãëèÿ.
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Òåêñòèëüíûå ôàáðèêè Ëàíêàøèðà: Íàñëåäèå
The Textile Mills of Lancashire: The Legacy
https://historicengland.org.uk...re-legacy/
Íàñëåäèå ëàíêàøèðñêîãî õëîïêîïðÿäåíèÿ è òêàöêîé ïðîìûøëåííîñòè ÿâëÿåòñÿ èñòî÷íèêîì íàöèîíàëüíîé
ãîðäîñòè, ïîñêîëüêó ýòà îòðàñëü ïðîìûøëåííîñòè ñïîñîáñòâîâàëà òîìó, ÷òî Ñåâåð Àíãëèè ñòàë
ëîêîìîòèâîì ðàñøèðåíèÿ è ïðîöâåòàíèÿ ñòðàíû ñ ñàìîãî íà÷àëà ïðîìûøëåííîé ðåâîëþöèè.

Ôàéë Textile Mills of Lancashire - the legacy.pdf, áàéò
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Ñ ñàéòà https://forum.citywalls.ru/post.php?id=58164 îò 20 àâãóñòà 2020 ãîäà
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Àøòîí-àíäåð-Ëàéí (àíãë. Ashton-under-Lyne) — ðûíî÷íûé ãîðîä â Òåéìñàéäå, Áîëüøîé Ìàí÷åñòåð, Àíãëèÿ.
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Áûñòðåå âñåãî â ïåðåâîäå "ìåëüíèöà" èìååòñÿ ââèäó "ôàáðèêà"

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Ñåìüÿ ìîåé áàáóøêè áûëà Àøòîí-Àíäåð-Ëèí.
 1895 ãîäó ìîé ïðàïðàäåä Ñýìþýë Íîðò, ÷åëîâåê î÷åíü ñêðîìíîãî ïðîèñõîæäåíèÿ, êîòîðîìó ê 33 ãîäàì óäàëîñü ïðîäâèíóòüñÿ äî óïðàâëÿþùåãî ôàáðèêîé, âìåñòå ñ æåíîé ïîêèíóë ñâîé íåáîëüøîé â Àøòîí-Àíäåð-Ëèí, è ñ øåñòüþ äåòüìè, ïåðåñåëèëèñü íà æèòåëüñòâî â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã.
Ìû çíàåì, ÷òî Ñàìóýëü áûë ìåíåäæåðîì Ðîññ³éñêîé Áóìàãîïðÿäèëüíîé Ìàíóôàêòóðû èç íàäïèñè íà ïîäñòàêàííèêå, êîòîðûé åìó ïîäàðèëè ïðè óõîäå. Íàäïèñü ãëàñèò: «Íà äîáðóþ ïàìÿòü Ã. Çàâåäóþùåìó // ÐÁÌ îòú áëàãîäàðíûõú Ñëóæàùèõú ». ß íàøåë ýòó ôîòîãðàôèþ ìåëüíèöû â ôîòîàëüáîìàõ ìîåé áàáóøêè (ïîäïèñü ãëàñèò: «äåäóøêèíà ìåëüíèöà»)

Ôîòî ¹ 1
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Ìû íå çíàåì, ãäå íàõîäèëñÿ åãî äîì, âîçìîæíî, íà òåððèòîðèè ìåëüíèöû, íî ó íàñ åñòü íåñêîëüêî ôîòîãðàôèé, êîòîðûå ìîãóò äàòü êëþ÷ ê ðàçãàäêå:

Ôîòî ¹ 2
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Ôîòî ¹ 3
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Ôîòî ¹ 4
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Åãî ñûí Ðè÷àðä Íîðò (ìîé ïðàäåä) áûë ìåíåäæåðîì êàðäî÷åñàëüíîé êîìíàòû â Åêàòåðèíãîôñêîé áóìàãîïðÿäèëüíàÿ ìàíóôàêòóðà. Ñóäÿ ïî ñâèäåòåëüñòâó î áðàêå ñ æåíîé Ìèííè çà 1904 ãîä, ìû èìååì èõ àäðåñ Âàëûíêèíî, 2.  ñâèäåòåëüñòâå î ñìåðòè èõ ïåðâîãî ðåáåíêà â 1905 ãîäó îíè óêàçàíû êàê Åêàòåðèíãîôñêàÿ áóìàãîïðÿäèëüíàÿ ìàíóôàêòóðà.

Ìû íàøëè ýòî ôîòî â ôîòîàëüáîìàõ ìîåé áàáóøêè (ïîäïèñü «Îòöîâñêàÿ ìåëüíèöà»):

Ôîòî ¹ 5
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Ó íàñ òàêæå åñòü ýòè ôîòîãðàôèè èçíóòðè îäíîé èç ìåëüíèö. Èçâèíèòå, ÿ íå çíàþ, êàêîé ýòî ìåëüíèöà.

Ôîòî ¹ 6
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Ôîòî ¹ 7
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Ôîòî ¹ 8
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Ôîòî ¹ 9
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 1906 ãîäó Ñàìóèë óåõàë èç Ðîññèè ñ áîëüøåé ÷àñòüþ ñåìüè. Ìîé ïðàäåä, Ðè÷àðä Íîðò, îñòàíàâëèâàëñÿ òàì ñî ñâîåé æåíîé Ìèííè. Ïîçæå òàì â 1914 ãîäó ðîäèëàñü ìîÿ áàáóøêà.

 1917 ãîäó áàáóøêà âåðíóëàñü â Àíãëèþ ñ ìàìîé. ß ïðåäïîëàãàþ, ÷òî îíè áûëè ýâàêóèðîâàíû, íî ÿ íå çíàþ íàâåðíÿêà (ìîåé áàáóøêå 105 ëåò, è îíà íèêîãäà íå áûëà î÷åíü íàäåæíûì èñòî÷íèêîì èíôîðìàöèè!). Ïî ñóòè, åå áðîñèëà ìàòü, êîòîðàÿ îñòàâèëà åå íà ïîïå÷åíèå áàáóøêè è äåäóøêè ïî ìàòåðèíñêîé ëèíèè. Ïîçæå îíà ïîïàëà â ñåìüþ ñî ñòîðîíû îòöà, à çàòåì åå âîñïèòàëè äâå òåòóøêè.

Ðè÷àðä Íîðò òàê è íå âåðíóëñÿ â Àíãëèþ, è ó íàñ î÷åíü ìàëî èíôîðìàöèè î åãî ñóäüáå. ß ïðî÷èòàë â áëîãå äðóãîé àíãëèéñêîé ìåëüíè÷íîé ñåìüè, â êîòîðîé áûëè ýâàêóèðîâàíû òîëüêî æåíùèíû è äåòè, ÷òî ìóæ÷èíàì ïðèøëîñü âîçâðàùàòüñÿ ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíî, à íåêîòîðûå áûëè ïîìåùåíû ïîä äîìàøíèé àðåñò ïðè ïîïûòêå ê áåãñòâó.


Ìû äóìàåì, ÷òî Ðè÷àðä áûë åùå æèâ â 1930-å ãîäû, ïîñêîëüêó ÿêîáû äÿäÿ ìîåé áàáóøêè íàâåñòèë åå, ÷òîáû ñêàçàòü, ÷òî îí áûë â êîíòàêòå è ìîã âûâåçòè åãî èç Ðîññèè, íî åé íóæíî áóäåò ïðèñìîòðåòü çà íèì, ïîñêîëüêó îí áûë â î÷åíü ïëîõîì ñîñòîÿíèè. Ìíå òàêæå ñêàçàëè, ÷òî îäíà èç ñåñòåð Ðè÷àðäà ñâÿçàëàñü ñ íèì, îòïðàâëÿëà äåíüãè è ïðîäóêòîâûå ïîñûëêè, íî ïèñüìà îò íåãî ïðåêðàòèëèñü ïîñëå áëîêàäû Ëåíèíãðàäà â 1941/42 ãîäó (ïîýòîìó ìû äóìàåì, ÷òî îí òîãäà ñêîðåå âñåãî ïîãèá).


Äîâîëüíî ñëîæíî îòäåëèòü ôàêò îò âûìûñëà (ðàññêàç ìîåé áàáóøêè îá èñòîðèè ìåíÿåòñÿ êàæäûé ðàç, êîãäà îíà ðàññêàçûâàåò îá ýòîì, è íà íåãî ñìîòðÿò ñêâîçü ïðèçìó ãíåâà, êîãäà îáà ðîäèòåëÿ ÷óâñòâîâàëè ñåáÿ áðîøåííûìè). ß áûë áû î÷åíü ïðèçíàòåëåí çà ëþáóþ ïîìîùü, êîòîðóþ êòî-ëèáî ìîã áû îêàçàòü, óêàçàâ ìíå íàïðàâëåíèå ðåñóðñîâ, êîòîðûå ðàññêàçûâàþò èñòîðèþ òîãî, ÷òî ñëó÷èëîñü ñ áðèòàíñêèìè çàâîäñêèìè ðàáî÷èìè, êîòîðûå îêàçàëèñü â ðàçãàðå ðåâîëþöèè 1917 ãîäà, è ëþáîé ñâåò, êîòîðûé îíà ìîæåò ïðîëèòü íà ïðè÷èíû Ðè÷àðä òàê è íå âåðíóëñÿ.
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I think this is the interior of the Church of the United States and England Congress, where Richard was married.
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Åùå ôîòîãðàôèè èç ñåìåéíîãî àëüáîìà
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https://forum.citywalls.ru/post.php?id=58166
Ñîîáùåíèå Íàòàëèè -

Áåãëî ïðîñìîòðåâ, âèæó, ÷òî 1-å ôîòî ýòî Ðîññèéñêàÿ áóìàãîïðÿäèëüíàÿ ìàíóôàêòóðà
à ôîòî 5 ×åðíîðå÷åíñêàÿ áóìàãîïðÿäèëüíàÿ ìàíóôàêòóðà Ë. Å. Êåíèãà
Ñàìóýëü Íîðò â ñïðàâî÷íèêå "Âåñü Ïåòåðáóðã" íà 1900 ã.
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Çäåñü Ïåòåðãîôñêèé, 21 - àäðåñ ïðîîæèâàíèÿ . Òåïåðü ýòî Ñòàðî-Ïåòåðãîôñêèé ïðîñïåêò.
Ñòàðûé äîì 21 íå ñîõðàíèëñÿ, íà åãî ìåñòå áûë ïîñòðîåí äðóãîé. Êàê âèäèò, â Ðîñèè Âàø ïðåäîê íàçâàëñÿ Ñàìóèëîì ßêîâëåâè÷åì.
Ìåñòî ñëóæáû - Òîâàðèùåñòâî Ðîññèéñêîé áóìàãîïðÿäèëüíîé ìàíóôàêòóðû. ä
Ïåòåðãîôñêèé, 21 ñîâñåì ðÿäîì ñ Ðîññèéñêîé áóìàãîïðÿäèëüíîé ìàíóôàêòóðîé.
 ñïðàâî÷íèêå íà 1905 ã. óêàçàíû è Ñàìóýëü è Ðè÷àðä
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Äàííûå î Ñàìóýëå ßêîâëåâè÷å ïîâòîðÿþòñÿ, à î Ðè÷àðäå óêàçàíî ìåñòî ïðîæèâàíèÿ äåðåâíÿ Âîëûíêèíà äîì 2 . Ìåñòî ñëóæáû íå óêàçàíî.
Ñïðàâî÷íèê "Âåñü Ïåòåðáóðã" ïóáëèêîâàë äàííûå, êîòîðûå çàÿâèòåëè ñàìè ñîîáùàëè î ñåáå.
Âîëûíêèíà äåðåâíÿ ýòî ñåé÷àñ óë. Êàëèíèíà . Òàì ñòàðûå äîìà ïî÷òè íå ñîõðàíèëèñü. Íî â íà÷àëå óëèöû åñòü äîìà ñ íîìåðîì 2
Äîì 2 ê. 1 Äîì 2 ê. 1
×åðíîðå÷åíñêàÿ ìàíóôàêòóðà íàõîäèòñÿ íà Ëèôëÿíäñêîé óë., çà íåé ïî óëèöå áûë Åêàòåðèíãîôñêèé ïàðê, à çà ìîñòîì íà÷èíàëàñü Âîëûíêèíà äåðåâíÿ. Ýòî ìèíóò 10 ïåøêîì.
ß íå óâåðåíà, íî, âîçìîæíî, ôîòî 2 ñäåëàíî âîçëå ýòîãî äîìà.

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Ñîîáùåíèå Ãðèãîðèÿ Ô

Âåñü Ëåíèíãðàä íà 1926 (òîò æå àäðåñ 1927, 1928):
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Íà 1929 (òî æå 1930):
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https://www.citywalls.ru/house15025.html

 îïèñàíèè íà ñàéòå óòâåðæäàåòñÿ, ÷òî ñ 1928 ãîäà ïî ýòîìó àäðåñó óæå áûë ìåõàíè÷åñêèé çàâîä, íî ñ àäðåñíûìè êíèãàìè ýòî óòâåðæäåíèå íå ñòûêóåòñÿ.
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Ïåòåðáóðã. Ðîññèéñêàÿ áóìàãîïðÿäèëüíàÿ ìàíóôàêòóðà. 1835-1837
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ß ñ òîé ðåêè, ãäå ßðîñëàâè÷ áèëñÿ.
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Henshaw íàïèñàë:
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Òàì îí æåíèëñÿ íà ìîåé ïðàáàáóøêå, ó íèõ áûëî äâîå äåòåé: ñûí, óìåðøèé â âîçðàñòå äâóõ ëåò (ïîõîðîíåí íà Ñìîëåíñêîì êëàäáèùå), è ìîÿ áàáóøêà.
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Óâàæàåìûé Èåíà, Henshaw, ìîè ïðåäêè ïî ôàìèëüíîé ëèíèè òîæå ïåðååõàëè èç Àíãëèè, Ëîíäîíà, â Ñ-Ïåòåðáóðã ïðè Åêàòåðèíå II, â îêòÿáðå 1785-ãî ãîäà âûøåë å¸ óêàç î ïåðåõîäå ãëàâû ñåìüè èç àíãëèéñêîãî â Ñ-Ïåòåðáóðãñêîå êóïå÷åñòâî.

Íàøè ñ Âàìè ôàìèëèè îò÷àñòè ñõîæè, âàøà Íîðò, Ñåâåð, à ìîÿ Ñíî-Ñíîó, Snow, òî åñòü Ñíåã.
À ãäå Ñåâåð òàì è Ñíåã.

Ìîé äàëüíèé ïðåäîê, â 11-ì êîëåíå, Íèêîëàñ, áûë ìàñòåðîì ïî èçãîòîâëåíèþ íàñòåííûõ ( áàøåííûõ ) ÷àñîâ â Ñîëñáåðè, òàì â ìóçåå îíè è èìåþòñÿ â íàëè÷èè. Åãî ïîòîìêè óæå ïåðåñåëèëèñü â Ëîíäîí, çàíèìàÿñü è òåì æå.

Òåïåðü ïî âàøåìó ïîèñêó, õî÷ó îòìåòèòü äâà ìîìåíòà:
Íàñêîëüêî èçâåñòíî, ïîñëå ðåâîëþöèè âñå äîêóìåíòû àíãëèêàíñêîé öåðêâè Ñ-Ïåòåðáóðãà, ìåòðè÷åñêèå êíèãè è ò.ä. âûâåçåíû â Áðèòàíèþ.
Åñëè Âàñ ÷òî-òî â ýòîì ïëàíå èíòåðåñóåò, òî ñòîèò èñêàòü äîêóìåíòû òàì, à òàê æå íà ïë¸íêàõ èçâåñòíîãî ñàéòà.

È âòîðîå: àíãëèêàíå Ñ-Ïåòåðáóðãà õîðîíèëè äî ðåâîëþöèè ñâîèõ óìåðøèõ è íà Ëþòåðàíñêîì Ñìîëåíñêîì êëàäáèùå
(Ñìîëåíñêèõ êëàäáèùà òðè: ïðàâîñëàâíîå, ëþòåðàíñêîå è àðìÿíñêîå ). ß íàø¸ë ìåñòî ðàñïîëîæåíèå ìîãèë ñâîèõ ïðåäêîâ, â ÷àñòíîñòè,
ìîèõ äâîþðîäíûõ ïðàïðàäåäîâ, â àðõèâå êëàäáèù Ñ-Ïåòåðáóðãà:

Àðõèâ ïî ó÷¸òó çàõîðîíåíèé íà êëàäáèùàõ Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãà ðàñïîëîæåí ïî àäðåñó: 1-ÿ Ñîâåòñêàÿ óëèöà, äîì 8.
Çàòåì ïî ïðåäîñòàâëåííîé ìíå ñõåìå, ñîçäàííîé ïî ìàòåðèàëàì èíâåíòàðèçàöèè 1950-õ, ÿ íàø¸ë ìåñòî óæå íà ñàìîì êëàäáèùå.

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Åñòü è ñàéò ïî ýòîé òåìàòèêå, ÿ íå íàø¸ë òàì ïîêà ìîãèë óñîïøèõ ïî ôàìèëèè Íîðò, íî ñàéò ïîïîëíÿåòñÿ, íàñêîëüêî ìíå èçâåñòíî, ïîýòîìó Âàì, íàâåðíîå, ñòîèò òóäà èíîãäà çàãëÿäûâàòü. Íî ìíîãèå ìîãèëû, åñëè îíè è ñîõðàíèëèñü, ïîðîé, â âåñüìà ïëà÷åâíîì ñîñòîÿíèè, âðåìåíè ïðîøëî äîñòàòî÷íî. Âîò ññûëêà:
https://spslc.ru/

Èåíà, Henshaw, ÿ ëþáëþ è ñåðäöåì ïðåäàí Ðîññèè, íî ÷òó ïî-ñâîåìó è ðîäèíó ìîèõ ïðåäêîâ ïî ýòîé ëèíèè, êàê è ïî äðóãèì ëèíèÿì òîæå, êàê è Âàì Ðîññèÿ, âèäèìî, íå ÷óæäà, òàê ÷òî ïîêëîí îò ìåíÿ Òóìàííîìó Àëüáèîíó, àíãëèéñêèì äàëüíèì ïðåäåëàì!

Íà íàøåì ôîðóìå íå òàê ìíîãî òåõ, ó êîãî ïðåäêè èç Áðèòàíèè.  ñâî¸ âðåìÿ ÿ îòîçâàëñÿ â íàøåé ìåìîðèàëüíîé òåìå íà ñìåðòü êîðîëåâû Åëèçàâåòû II íåêîòîðûìè ñêðîìíûìè ñòðîêàìè, ãäå óïîìÿíóë òî, ÷òî ñâÿçûâàëî íàøè ñòðàíû è íàðîäû âî âòîðîé ïîëîâèíå ÕÕ âåêà, áûëè âåäü è ñîþçíèêàìè âî Âòîðóþ ìèðîâóþ. Âîçìîæíî, Âàì ýòî áóäåò íåñêîëüêî ëþáîïûòíî è êàê-òî òðîíåò ñåðäöå:

Ìîé ïðåäîê äâåñòè ñ ëèøíèì ëåò íàçàä
Ïîêèíóë ãîðîä òâîé íà Òåìçå ãðóñòíîé.
ß – ðóññêèé, ïî-àíãëèéñêè, áóäü è ðàä,
Íå ìîëâëþ ñ øèêîì ïèñüìåííî è óñòíî.
https://forum.vgd.ru/post/1317/45053/p4265555.htm#pp4265555

Óñïåõîâ Âàì â âàøèõ ïîèñêàõ è âñåãî ñàìîãî äîáðîãî!
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Îëåã.


Êîììåíòàðèé ìîäåðàòîðà:

Henshaw íàïèñàë:
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There he married my great-grandmother, and they had two children: a son who died at the age of two (he is buried in the Smolensk cemetery), and my grandmother.
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Dear Jena, Henshaw, my family ancestors also moved from England, London, to St. Petersburg under Catherine II. In October 1785, her decree was issued on the transfer of the head of the family from English to St. Petersburg merchants.
Our surnames are somewhat similar, yours is North, North, and mine is Sno-Snow, Snow, that is, Snow.
And where there's North, there's Snow.
My distant ancestor, Nicholas, in the 11th generation, was a master of making wall (tower) clocks in Salisbury, where they are available in the museum. His descendants have already moved to London, doing the same thing.
Now, based on your search, I want to mention two points:
As far as we know, after the revolution, all the documents of the Anglican Church in St. Petersburg, metric books, etc. were exported to Britain.
If you are interested in something in this regard, then you should look for documents there, as well as on the tapes of a well-known website.
And secondly, the Anglicans of St. Petersburg buried their dead at the Lutheran Smolensky Cemetery before the revolution.
(There are three Smolensk cemeteries: Orthodox, Lutheran and Armenian). I found the location of the graves of my ancestors, in particular,
my great-great-great-grandfathers, in the archive of cemeteries in St. Petersburg.:
The archive for recording burials in cemeteries in St. Petersburg is located at 8 1st Sovetskaya Street.
Then, according to the scheme provided to me, created based on the inventory materials of the 1950s, I found a place already in the cemetery itself.
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There is also a website on this topic, I have not found the graves of the deceased named North there yet, but the site is being updated, as far as I know, so you should probably look there sometimes. But many graves, if they have been preserved, are sometimes in a very poor condition, and enough time has passed. Here is the link:
https://spslc.ru/
Jena, Henshaw, I love and am devoted to Russia with my heart, but I honor in my own way the homeland of my ancestors along this line, as well as along other lines, as well as Russia, apparently, is no stranger to you, so bow from me to the Foggy Albion, the English far reaches!
There are not many people on our forum who have ancestors from Britain. At one time, in our memorial theme, I responded to the death of Queen Elizabeth II with some modest lines, where I mentioned what connected our countries and peoples in the second half of the twentieth century, after all, we were allies in the Second World War. Perhaps this will be somewhat curious to you and will somehow touch your heart.:
My ancestor more than two hundred years ago
I left your city on the sad Thames.
I am Russian, in English, be glad.,
I don't speak in style in writing or verbally.
https://forum.vgd.ru/post/1317/45053/p4265555.htm#pp4265555
We wish you success in your search and all the best!
Sincerely, Oleg.

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Îëåã. Èùó: äâîðÿí Óíêîâñêèõ (Òèõâ.), Ìîðäâèíîâûõ (Íîâîëàä.), Íàçèìîâûõ (Ïñê.), Àðõèïîâûõ (Âîëûí. ãóá.), Óøàêîâûõ (Áîðîâè÷.), Êà÷àëîâûõ (Íîâã.), Êóòóçîâûõ (Áåëîç.), áàð.Øâàõãåéì , Øàòèëîâûõ (Ïñê.), Åëàãèíûõ (Ïñê.), Êóøåëåâûõ (Íîâã.), êí-é Øàõîâñêèõ.
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