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12 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 11:42 12 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 20:57 Ïîðòðåò íàäâîðíîãî ñîâåòíèêà, ìèðîâîãî ñóäüè Íèêîëàÿ Ïåòðîâè÷à Òîðàíñêîãî ñ ñóïðóãîé. 1913 ã. Ôîòîãðàôèÿ «äå Ë’Àìèòüå» (ôîòîãðàô Ðîìóàëüä Ëåîíàðäîâè÷ Òóêêåð), Õàðüêîâ. http://www.rusalbom.ru/volodarsky3new.htmlÍå óâåðåíà, ÷òî Âàø. ×åëîâåê íà ôîòî íà ìîé âçãëÿä ñòàðøå 27 ëåò. Äà è ÷èí íàäâîðíîãî ñîâåòíèêà ÷åðåç 2 ãîäà ïîñëå îêîí÷àíèÿ ÈÓ - áîëüíî áûñòðî. Íî ìîãëà áûòü è îøèáêà â äàòèðîâêå ôîòî. Ýòî, ñêîðåå, âîò ýòîò ÷åëîâåê http://www.fgurgia.ru/showObject.do?object=140873671Äà. Ýòî äðóãîé (íå "íàø") Íèêîëàé Ïåòðîâè÷.  1885 ãîäó îí ñëóæèë ïîìîùíèêîì ñåêðåòàðÿ â Õàðüêîâñêîì îêðóæíîì ñóäå, èìåë ÷èí êîëëåæñêîãî ðåãèñòðàòîðà, ïðîæèâàë ïî Ñòàðî-Ìÿñíèöêîé â äîìå Êîíþøêèíà ¹14 (ñ. 723 ïî ñìîòðåëêå) --- Ñïàñèáî.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Åëåíà.
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12 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 11:45 --- Ñïàñèáî.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Åëåíà.
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Øàôðàíîâñêèå (Ãîìåëüñêèé óåçä Ìîãèëåâñêîé ãóá.), Öåëèöî(à) (âåçäå), Öû(è)òîâè÷è (Ìîãèëåâñêàÿ ãóá.), Êà(î)êòûø (Çóáåëåâè÷è/Ëÿõîâè÷è, Ñëóöêîãî óåçäà Ìèíñêîé ãóá.). | | |
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12 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 14:30 Ïàìÿòíàÿ êíèæêà Îäåññêîãî ó÷åáíîãî îêðóãà íà 1913—1914 ãîä http://thefamilytree.com.ar/od...?curpag=90Òîðàíñêèé Àëåêñàíäð Ïåòðîâè÷, Ìàðèóïîëüñêàÿ ãèìíàçèÿ. Ïðåïîäàâàòåëü ðóññêîãî ÿçûêà.  ñëóæáå, âåäîìñòâå è äîëæíîñòè ñ 26 ñåíòÿáðÿ 1913 ãîäà. Ñîäåðæàíèå çà 12 óðîêîâ 900 ðóáëåé è çà êëàññíîå íàñòàâíè÷åñòâî â äâóõ êëàññàõ 1200 ðóáëåé, âñåãî 2100 ðóáëåé (ïî íàéìó). Address book Odessa school "county" 1913-1914 Toranskiy Alexandr Petrovich, Gymnasium MariupolTeacher of Russian. In service, office and position from 26.09.13. Wage for 12 lessons 900 R and for homeroom in 2 classes 1200 R, total 2100 R (hired)
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Øàôðàíîâñêèå (Ãîìåëüñêèé óåçä Ìîãèëåâñêîé ãóá.), Öåëèöî(à) (âåçäå), Öû(è)òîâè÷è (Ìîãèëåâñêàÿ ãóá.), Êà(î)êòûø (Çóáåëåâè÷è/Ëÿõîâè÷è, Ñëóöêîãî óåçäà Ìèíñêîé ãóá.). | | |
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12 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 20:34 13 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 7:27 Êàòÿ! Ýòî ÒÎÒ Àëåêñàíäð, èíà÷å áû ÿ íå ñòàëà òðàòèòü íà íåãî ñòîëüêî âðåìåíè. È Êàðîëèíà îá ýòîì íàïèñàëà. Åñòü ñîîáðàæåíèÿ ïî ðîçûñêó èíôîðìàöèè î ñëóæåíèè åãî â àðìèè Äåíèêèíà, ïîäñêàçàëè ìíå òóò êîìïåòåíòíûå êîëëåãè. Íóæíî çàïðîñèòü î íåì ÃÀÐÔ http://www.statearchive.ru/Îôèöèàëüíûé àäðåñ ýëåêòðîííîé ïî÷òû äëÿ ðåãèñòðàöèè çàïðîñîâ: garf@statearchive.ru (óë. Áîëüøàÿ Ïèðîãîâñêàÿ,17).  ÃÀÐÔ èìååòñÿ êàðòîòåêà áåëîýìèãðàíòîâ, íóæíî ïðîñèòü, ÷òîáû ïî íåé ïîñìîòðåëè. ___________________________________________________ Ó íèõ åñòü, â ÷àñòíîñòè, âîò òàêîå (ýòî íå äëÿ Êàðîëèíû, à ïðèìåðû, ÷òî ìîæíî íàéòè) ôîíä 5982 îï2 ä101 Èìåííîé ñïèñîê Ãåíåðàëàì.îôèöåðàì è ñîëäàòàì.íàõîäÿùèìñÿ íà î ÊÈÏÐ âûðàçèâøèì æåëàíèå åõàòü â Ðóññêóþ àðìèþ â Êðûì âîò òàêîå ôîíä 6792 Ðóññêàÿ Ñåðáñêàÿ æåíñêàÿ ãèìíàçèÿ â Áåëãðàäå 1941ãîä - ó÷åíèöû______________________________________________________ Ìíîãî ÷åãî òàì åñòü. http://www.statearchive.ru/383 --- Ñïàñèáî.
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12 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 20:48 12 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 21:03 karolinat íàïèñàë: [q] ß íå çíàþ, ÷òî ñëó÷èëîñü ñ Íèêîëàåì ïîñëå 1911 ãîäà, êîãäà îí çàêîí÷èë þðôàê Õàðüêîâñêîãî óíèâåðñèòåòà. ß õîòåëà áû çíàòü, ÷òî æå ñ íèì ïðîèçîøëî. Ãäå ÿ äîëæíà íà÷àòü ñìîòðåòü?[/q]
Íà 1911 - 1912 ó÷åáíûé ãîä Íèêîëàé Ïåòðîâè÷ ÷èñëèòñÿ ñòóäåíòîì ìàòåìàòè÷åñêîãî ôàêóëüòåòà, ó íåãî ýòî 7-é ñåìåñòð, èìååò îòñðî÷êó îò ïðèçûâà â àðìèþ äî 1913 ãîäà. Ðîäèëñÿ â 1886, ïîñòóïèë â ÈÓ (Èìïåðàòîðñêèé óíèâåðñèòåò) â 1907, óðîæåíåö Çìèåâñêîãî óåçäà. Äî ÈÓ îáó÷àëñÿ â Áàõìóòñêîé ãèìíàçèè. --- Ñïàñèáî.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Åëåíà.
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Øàôðàíîâñêèå (Ãîìåëüñêèé óåçä Ìîãèëåâñêîé ãóá.), Öåëèöî(à) (âåçäå), Öû(è)òîâè÷è (Ìîãèëåâñêàÿ ãóá.), Êà(î)êòûø (Çóáåëåâè÷è/Ëÿõîâè÷è, Ñëóöêîãî óåçäà Ìèíñêîé ãóá.). | | |
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12 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 21:20 Moderator, yes, this is my Aleksander. He worked as high school professor/ inspector in Tsarist Russia in now Poland, Ukraine (Mariupol), and Saint Petersburg. My great-grandmother once said he had been to Bessarabia (I assume this was Mariupol) and he was always away for work. In 1907, Alexander was promoted to the rank of non-commissioned officer in reserve in Izyum district of the province of Kharkov. At time of WWI, he was applied to service in the 62nd artillery division, and in course of serving there was promoted to the rank of second lieutenant in the year 1916. In their wedding photo (1911/1912), Aleksander is wearing a civil uniform, not military.
elena_krd, I have no way of knowing Petr's patrynomic unless I order Aleksander's birth certificate. I am waiting to hear from the archive. I will send a query to the email you provided, but Google translate does not make the information of the funds clear. Russian Serbian womens gymnasium 1941? Where were you able to find the information about Nikolay?
Regards, Karolina
Ìîäåðàòîð, äà, ýòî ìîé Àëåêñàíäð. Îí ðàáîòàë â êà÷åñòâå ïðîôåññîðà âûñîêîãî øêîëå / èíñïåêòîð â öàðñêîé Ðîññèè â íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ Ïîëüøà, Óêðàèíà (Ìàðèóïîëü), è Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã. Ìîÿ ïðàáàáóøêà îäíàæäû ñêàçàë, ÷òî îí áûë â Áåññàðàáèè (ÿ ïðåäïîëàãàþ, ÷òî ýòî áûëî Ìàðèóïîëü), è îí áûë âñåãäà äàëåêî çà ðàáîòó.  1907 ãîäó Àëåêñàíäð áûë ïîâûøåí äî çâàíèÿ óíòåð-îôèöåðà â ðåçåðâå â Èçþìñêîì ðàéîíå ïðîâèíöèè Õàðüêîâå. Íà âðåìÿ Ïåðâîé ìèðîâîé âîéíû, îí áûë ïðèìåíåí íà ñëóæáó â 62-é àðòèëëåðèéñêîé äèâèçèè, è â õîäå ñëóæåíèÿ áûë ïîâûøåí â çâàíèè âòîðîãî ëåéòåíàíòà â 1916 ãîäó.  ñâîþ ñâàäåáíóþ ôîòîãðàôèþ (1911/1912), Àëåêñàíäð îäåò â ãðàæäàíñêóþ ôîðìó, íå âîåííûå.
elena_krd, ó ìåíÿ íåò âîçìîæíîñòè óçíàòü, patrynomic Ïåòð, åñëè òîëüêî ÿ çàêàçûâàþ ñâèäåòåëüñòâî î ðîæäåíèè Àëåêñàíäðà àâòîðà. ß æäó, ÷òîáû óñëûøàòü èç àðõèâà. ß ïîøëþ çàïðîñ íà ýëåêòðîííóþ ïî÷òó Âàì îáåñïå÷åí, íî Google Translate íå èìååò èíôîðìàöèè î ôîíäàìè ÿñíà. Ðóññêèé Ñåðáñêèé æåíñêîé ãèìíàçèè 1941 ãîäà?
Ãäå âû áûëè â ñîñòîÿíèè íàéòè èíôîðìàöèþ î Íèêîëàå?
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12 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 22:13 12 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 22:17 karolinat íàïèñàë: [q] ß ïîøëþ çàïðîñ íà ýëåêòðîííóþ ïî÷òó Âàì îáåñïå÷åí, íî Google Translate íå èìååò èíôîðìàöèè î ôîíäàìè ÿñíà. Ðóññêèé Ñåðáñêèé æåíñêîé ãèìíàçèè 1941 ãîäà? [/q]
Íà ýòî íå îáðàùàéòå âíèìàíèå.  Ýòî ïðèìåð òîãî, ÷òî ìîæíî íàéòè â ôîíäàõ àðõèâà.  Âàì ýòîãî íå íóæíî. Èíôîðìàöèÿ î Íèêîëàå èç Ñïèñêà ñòóäåíòîâ Èìïåðàòîðñêîãî Õàðüêîâñêîãî óíèâåðñèòåòà íà 1911–1912 àêàäåìè÷åñêèé ãîä Çàêàçûâàéòå â Õàðüêîâñêîì àðõèâå êîïèþ çàïèñè î êðåùåíèè/ðîæäåíèè Àëåêñàíäðà. Òîãäà áóäåì çíàòü òî÷íîå èìÿ îòöà, à òî ÿ óæå òðîèõ Ïåòðîâ "âñòðåòèëà" - äâà ñâÿùåííèêè è îäèí íàäçèðàòåëü.  ÃÀÐÔ íàïèøèòå, ÷òîáû óçíàòü î ñóäüáå Àëåêñàíäðà â àðìèè Äåíèêèíà. Óäà÷è! --- Ñïàñèáî.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Åëåíà.
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12 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 22:34 karolinat íàïèñàë: [q] At time of WWI, he was applied to service in the 62nd artillery division, and in course of serving there was promoted to the rank of second lieutenant in the year 1916. [/q]
Âû íå âñå ïèøåòå.  ß äóìàëà, ÷òî Àëåêñàíäð ê Äåíèêèíó óøåë, áóäó÷è ãðàæäàíñêèì ëèöîì, à îí óæå áûë ìëàäøèì îôèöåðîì. Åñëè òðàíñëåéò ñâîèìè ïåðåâîäàìè íå ïîäâîäèò, òî ýòî ÷èí ïðàïîðùèêà. Êàê ãîâîðèòñÿ, â êîðíå ìåíÿåò äåëî. Îá îôèöåðàõ èíôîðìàöèè ñîõðàíèëîñü áîëüøå. Ìîæåò è ïîâåçåò íàéòè. Î ñëóæáå ó Äåíèêèíà ñîâñåì íè÷åãî íå çíàåòå? --- Ñïàñèáî.
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13 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 1:33 I apologize. Because i was researching what happened to Aleksander after 1917, I did not realize that I should have also provided his previous military service.  The information about Aleksander going to Denikin in the Caucasus only comes from my great-grandmother. I have no proof of this otherwise. Regards, Karolina ß ïðîøó ïðîùåíèÿ. Ïîòîìó ÷òî ÿ èññëåäîâàë, ÷òî ñëó÷èëîñü ñ Àëåêñàíäðîì ïîñëå 1917 ãîäà, ÿ íå ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî ÿ äîëæåí òàêæå ïðåäîñòàâèëè ñâîþ ïðåäûäóùóþ âîåííóþ ñëóæáó.  èíôîðìàöèÿ î Àëåêñàíäð ñîáèðàåòñÿ Äåíèêèíà íà Êàâêàçå ïðèõîäèò òîëüêî îò ìîåé ïðàáàáóøêè. Ó ìåíÿ íåò äîêàçàòåëüñòâ ýòîãî â ïðîòèâíîì ñëó÷àå. Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Karolina | | |
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Âïîëíå ýòî ìîã áû áûòü è òîò æå Àëåêñàíäð: ñíà÷àëà åãî ïðèçûâàþò íà ÏÌ (èëè îí èäåò äîáðîâîëüöåì), à ïîòîì... Íå ôàêò, êîíå÷íî. Ìîæåò áûòü è áàíàëüíûì îäíîôàìèëüöåì. Íî â ñåìüå áû çíàëè ïðî ó÷èòåëüñêóþ êàðüåðó è Ìàðèóïîëü, íåò?
It also could be your ggfather: he goes to WWI and then to Denikin, why not? Sure, it also can be a coincidence of names. Did the ggmother tell something about work or Mariupol? When did they marry?