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When I was researching Aleksander, "List of Students of the Emperor’s Kharkov University for 1910-1911 academic year" documented that he was born in 1884 in Zmiev County (no name given for village) and his father was a priest. Later, I found the same link and information about Petr as you posted. I emailed the archive in Kharkiv asking for birth certificate for Aleksander Petrovich Toranski, born 1884 in Genievka. I received an email from the archive that this birth certificate exists. I will ask them about Petr's klirovuyu statement.

Thank you for writing out what was written in the picture. I also am annoyed that I cannot read Russian. I am able to differentiate some of the alphabet and can put some words or names together, but I cannot understand abbreviations.

Do you know if there are any memorial books for the Kharkiv region online?

As for Aleksander and Denikin, I knew information would be difficult or impossible to find but I wanted to ask to make sure. I will ask in the Civil War thread later.

Regards,
Karolina


Êîãäà ÿ èñêàëà Àëåêñàíäðà, òî â "Ñïèñêå ñòóäåíòîâ Õàðüêîâñêîãî èìïåðàòîðñêîãî óíèâåðñèòåòà çà 1910-1911 ó÷åáíûé ãîä" óêàçàíî, ÷òî îí ðîäèëñÿ â 1884 ãîäó â Çìèåâñêîì óåçäå (íàçâàíèå ñåëà íå óêàçàíî) è åãî îòåö áûë ñâÿùåííèêîì. Ïîçæå ÿ íàøëà òó æå ññûëêó è èíôîðìàöèþ î Ïåòðå, êîòîðóþ ðàçìåñòèëè Âû. ß ïîñëàëà çàïðîñ ïî ýëåêòðîííîé ïî÷òå â Õàðüêîâñêèé àðõèâ ñ ïðîñüáîé ïðèñëàòü ñïðàâêó î ðîæäåíèè Àëåêñàíäðà Ïåòðîâè÷à Toranski, ðîä. â 1884 ãîäó â Genievka. ß ïîëó÷èëà ïèñüìî èç àðõèâà, ÷òî ýòî ñâèäåòåëüñòâî î ðîæäåíèè ñóùåñòâóåò. ß çàïðîøó èõ î êëèðîâûõ Ïåòðà.

Ñïàñèáî, ÷òî íàïèñàëè, ÷òî áûëî íàïèñàíî â ñêàíå. ß òîæå îãîð÷åíà, ÷òî ÿ íå ìîãó ÷èòàòü ïî-ðóññêè. ß â ñîñòîÿíèè îòëè÷èòü íåêîòîðûå áóêâû è ìîãó ñîáðàòü íåêîòîðûå ñëîâà èëè èìåíà, íî ÿ íå ìîãó ïîíÿòü ñîêðàùåíèé.

Çíàåòå ëè âû, åñòü ëè ïàìÿòíûå êíèãè Õàðüêîâñêîé îáëàñòè îíëàéí ?

×òî êàñàåòñÿ Àëåêñàíäðà è Äåíèêèíà, ÿ çíàëà, ÷òî èíôîðìàöèÿ áóäåò òðóäíî èëè íåâîçìîæíî íàéòè, íî ÿ õîòåëà ñïðîñèòü, ÷òîáû óáåäèòüñÿ. ß ñïðîøó â òåìàõ ïî Ãðàæäàíñêîé âîéíå ïîçæå.

Ñ óâàæåíèåì,
Karolina

Ïàìÿòíûå êíèæêè
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Îôèöèàëüíûé àäðåñ ýëåêòðîííîé ïî÷òû äëÿ ðåãèñòðàöèè çàïðîñîâ:
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 ÃÀÐÔ èìååòñÿ êàðòîòåêà áåëîýìèãðàíòîâ, íóæíî ïðîñèòü, ÷òîáû ïî íåé ïîñìîòðåëè.
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Ìíîãî ÷åãî òàì åñòü. http://www.statearchive.ru/383

Moderator, yes, this is my Aleksander. He worked as high school professor/ inspector in Tsarist Russia in now Poland, Ukraine (Mariupol), and Saint Petersburg. My great-grandmother once said he had been to Bessarabia (I assume this was Mariupol) and he was always away for work.
In 1907, Alexander was promoted to the rank of non-commissioned officer in reserve in Izyum district of the province of Kharkov. At time of WWI, he was applied to service in the 62nd artillery division, and in course of serving there was promoted to the rank of second lieutenant in the year 1916.
In their wedding photo (1911/1912), Aleksander is wearing a civil uniform, not military.

elena_krd, I have no way of knowing Petr's patrynomic unless I order Aleksander's birth certificate. I am waiting to hear from the archive.
I will send a query to the email you provided, but Google translate does not make the information of the funds clear. Russian Serbian womens gymnasium 1941?
Where were you able to find the information about Nikolay?

Regards,
Karolina

Ìîäåðàòîð, äà, ýòî ìîé Àëåêñàíäð. Îí ðàáîòàë â êà÷åñòâå ïðîôåññîðà âûñîêîãî øêîëå / èíñïåêòîð â öàðñêîé Ðîññèè â íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ Ïîëüøà, Óêðàèíà (Ìàðèóïîëü), è Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã. Ìîÿ ïðàáàáóøêà îäíàæäû ñêàçàë, ÷òî îí áûë â Áåññàðàáèè (ÿ ïðåäïîëàãàþ, ÷òî ýòî áûëî Ìàðèóïîëü), è îí áûë âñåãäà äàëåêî çà ðàáîòó.
 1907 ãîäó Àëåêñàíäð áûë ïîâûøåí äî çâàíèÿ óíòåð-îôèöåðà â ðåçåðâå â Èçþìñêîì ðàéîíå ïðîâèíöèè Õàðüêîâå. Íà âðåìÿ Ïåðâîé ìèðîâîé âîéíû, îí áûë ïðèìåíåí íà ñëóæáó â 62-é àðòèëëåðèéñêîé äèâèçèè, è â õîäå ñëóæåíèÿ áûë ïîâûøåí â çâàíèè âòîðîãî ëåéòåíàíòà â 1916 ãîäó.
 ñâîþ ñâàäåáíóþ ôîòîãðàôèþ (1911/1912), Àëåêñàíäð îäåò â ãðàæäàíñêóþ ôîðìó, íå âîåííûå.

elena_krd, ó ìåíÿ íåò âîçìîæíîñòè óçíàòü, patrynomic Ïåòð, åñëè òîëüêî ÿ çàêàçûâàþ ñâèäåòåëüñòâî î ðîæäåíèè Àëåêñàíäðà àâòîðà. ß æäó, ÷òîáû óñëûøàòü èç àðõèâà.
ß ïîøëþ çàïðîñ íà ýëåêòðîííóþ ïî÷òó Âàì îáåñïå÷åí, íî Google Translate íå èìååò èíôîðìàöèè î ôîíäàìè ÿñíà. Ðóññêèé Ñåðáñêèé æåíñêîé ãèìíàçèè 1941 ãîäà?

Ãäå âû áûëè â ñîñòîÿíèè íàéòè èíôîðìàöèþ î Íèêîëàå?

Ñ óâàæåíèåì,
Karolina

Ñïèñîê ñòóäåíòîâ Èìïåðàòîðñêîãî Õàðüêîâñêîãî óíèâåðñèòåòà íà 1911–1912 àêàäåìè÷åñêèé ãîä
http://dspace.univer.kharkov.u...1%82%D1%8C