Òîðàíñêèé

×òî ñîâñåì íå âëàäååòå ðóññêèì ÿçûêîì - äîñàäíî. ß íå âëàäåþ àíãëèéñêèì. Íî ïîïûòàþñü îáúÿñíèòü. Âäðóã óäà÷íî ïåðåâåäåòå.
Òîðàíñêèõ î÷åíü ìíîãî â ñðåäå Õàðüêîâñêîãî äóõîâåíñòâà. ×àñòü èç íèõ âïîëíå ìîãóò áûòü Âàøèìè ðîäñòâåííèêàìè òîæå.
It's a pity you can't read Russian. I can't write English. But maybe you have luck translating.
There are lots of Toranskis among the priests of Kharkov gubernia. Part of them can be your relatives too.

Îòêóäà ó Âàñ ýòà èíôîðìàöèÿ? / Where do you have this from?
karolinat íàïèñàë:

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2x ïðàäåä Ïåòð Toranski áûë ïðàâîñëàâíûì ñâÿùåííèêîì â Gineevka (Çìèåâñêîãî óåçäà), à ïîñëå 1889 ãîäà â Õîðîøåâî (Õàðüêîâñêàÿ County).

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Ñêîðåå âñåãî, ñåòü. ß ÷èòàëà òàêîå íà ñàéòå À.Ïàðàìîíîâà / I guess, from the Web. I've seen it on the site of Mr. Paramonov:
otkudarodom.com.ua/familii_%D0%A2.html

 ïðèêðåïëåííîì ñêàíå èç êíèãè 1904. "Ñïðàâî÷íàÿ êíèãà äëÿ Õàðüêîâñêîé åïàðõèè", 270 ñòð., 157,47 Ìá., PDF.
íàïèñàíî, ÷òî Òîðàíñêèé Ïåòð â 1904 ãîäó ñëóæèò ñâÿùåííèêîì â òðåòüåì Èçþìñêîì îêðóãå â ñëîáîäå Áàðâåíêîâî ïðè Ãåîðãèåâñêîé öåðêâè.
In the scan I posted is a page from the 1904 book "Reference book for Kharkov Eparchy" 270 p., 157,47 Mb., PDF.
Äîñëîâíî:
"Ñëîáîäà Áàðâåíêîâî. Ãåîðãèåâñêàÿ öåðêîâü, ïîñòðîåíà â 1902 ãîäó íà ñ÷åò ïðèõîæàí, êàìåííàÿ, òðåõ-ïðåñòîëüíàÿ: ãëàâíûé — âî èìÿ Ïîêðîâà Ïðåñâÿòûÿ Áîãîðîäèöû, âòîðîé — Ãåîðãèÿ Ïîáåäîíîñöà, à òðåòèé ïðåñòîë — âî èìÿ Èîàííà Áîãîñëîâà. Îò ã. Õàðüêîâà â 180 âåðñòàõ. Ïî÷òîâî-òåëåãðàôíîå îòäåëåíèå çäåñü æå.
Çåìëè óñàäåáíîé 860 êâ. ñàæåí, ïàõîòíîé è ñåíîêîñíîé 77 äåñÿòèí 600 êâ. ñàæåí. Íåïðèêîñíîâåííûé êàïèòàë 500 ðóáëåé, ïðîöåíòàìè ïîëüçóåòñÿ ïðè÷ò. Ïðèõîæàí ìóæñêîãî ïîëà 2499, æåíñêîãî — 2410. Ïðè÷òà ïî øòàòó ïîëîæåíî: äâà ñâÿùåííèêà, äèàê è äâà ïñàëîìùèêà. Æàëîâàíüÿ: 1-é ñâÿùåííèê 129 ðóá. 88 êîï., 1-é ïñàëîìùèê 34 ðóá. 20 êîï., âòîðîé øòàò æàëîâàíüÿ íå ïîëó÷àåò. Ñâÿùåííèêè ïîìåùàþòñÿ â öåðêîâíûõ äîìàõ, äèàê è 1-é ïñàëîìùèê â ñîáñòâåííûõ, äðóãîé ïñàëîìùèê ïðè öåðêîâíî-ïðèõîäñêîé øêîëå. Ïðèõ. Ïîïå÷èò. Ìèíèñòð. è äâà çåìñêèõ ó÷èëèùà è öåðêîâíî-ïðèõîäñêàÿ øêîëà.
Ñâÿùåííèê Ïåòð Òîðàíñêèé 45 ëåò. Îêîí÷èë êóðñ â äóõîâíîé ñåìèíàðèè ïî 1 ðàçðÿäó. Ñâÿùåíñòâóåò ñ 1882 ãîäà, íà íàñòîÿùåì ìåñòå ñ 1903 ãîäà, çàêîíîó÷èòåëü íàðîäíîãî ó÷èëèùà è öåðêîâíî-ïðèõîäñêîé øêîëû. Ïîñëåäíÿÿ íàãðàäà — êàìèëàâêà â 1897 ãîäó."
Priest Pyotr Toranskiy 45 years old. Graduated from the seminary 1st range, Priest from 1882 on, this place from 1903 on, teacher in the primary school and church school. Last award kamilavkion in 1897

 Ãîñóäàðñòâåííîì àðõèâå Õàðüêîâñêîé îáëàñòè î íåì íóæíî çàïðîñèòü êëèðîâóþ âåäîìîñòü. Æåëàòåëüíî çà ðàçíûå ãîäû ñëóæáû, íî è áëèæå ê 1917 íåïðåìåííî. ×òî â íåé ïèøóò? Ñìîòðèòå õîòÿ áû âîò òóò http://www.nvkz.kuzbass.net/dworecki/other/klir.htm
Äî ýòîãî åñòü ñìûñë ïðîñìîòðåòü Ïàìÿòíûå êíèãè ïî Õàðüêîâñêîé ãóáåðíèè è ñîñòàâèòü êàíâó ïîèñêà (åãî ïåðåìåùåíèÿ ïî ãóáåðíèè ñ ïðèâÿçêàìè ïî ãîäàì).
You shoul ask for church book in the Kharkov state archiv http://www.archives.gov.ua/Archives/index.php?ra20 , better for different years, but especially around 1917. In the link you can see what you can find there.
Before this you should look up Address books for Kharkov gub. and trace his workplaces. - I'd say, all this is impossible without being able reading Russian - moderator


Ó÷èòåëü Àëåêñàíäð, îòïðàâèâøèéñÿ âîåâàòü íà ñòîðîíå Äåíèêèíà. Íà ìîé âçãëÿä - ïî÷òè íåâîçìîæíîå
Íî ìîæíî ïîïûòàòü ñ÷àñòüÿ â òåìàõ î ãðàæäàíñêîé âîéíå.
In my previous post I mentioned a teacher Alexander T. in Mariupol. It's hardly possble he could go to White Army.
But you can try your luck in the threads here about the Civil war - (Russian!)

Âûïóñêíèê Õàðüêîâñêîãî óíèâåðñèòåòà - äà ãäå æ åãî ïî èìïåðèè èñêàòü? Ïîêà èäåé íåò. Åñëè ãäå-òî ñëó÷àéíî â Ïàìÿòíûõ êíèæêàõ âûïëûâåò. Ïî Õàðüêîâñêîìó óíèâåðñèòåòó Ëè÷íûõ äåë ñòóäåíòîâ íå ñîõðàíèëîñü.
To seek a graduate from the Kharkov University is difficult. There are no lists remained. I have no idea.

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Ïîõîæå, ÷òî çäåñü ðå÷ü î Òîðàíñêîì Ïåòðå Ôåäîðîâè÷å Áàðâåíêîâî ñ. Ãåîðãèåâñêàÿ Èçþìñêèé 3-é îêðóã (êàê ìèíèìóì 1897 - 1908)
forum.vgd.ru/post/23/32292/p1019394.htm#pp1019394

À áûë åùå ñâÿùåííèê Òîðàíñêèé Ïåòð Èîàííîâè÷ Ïåñêè Ðàäüêîâñêèå ñ. Âîçíåñåíñêàÿ Êóïÿíñêèé 3-é îêðóã (êàê ìèíèìóì 1897 - 1899)
https://forum.vgd.ru/post/23/32292/p1010293.htm#pp1010293

À âîò êîòîðûé èç íèõ ìîæåò áûòü äåéñòâèòåëüíî Âàøèì?

When I was researching Aleksander, "List of Students of the Emperor’s Kharkov University for 1910-1911 academic year" documented that he was born in 1884 in Zmiev County (no name given for village) and his father was a priest. Later, I found the same link and information about Petr as you posted. I emailed the archive in Kharkiv asking for birth certificate for Aleksander Petrovich Toranski, born 1884 in Genievka. I received an email from the archive that this birth certificate exists. I will ask them about Petr's klirovuyu statement.

Thank you for writing out what was written in the picture. I also am annoyed that I cannot read Russian. I am able to differentiate some of the alphabet and can put some words or names together, but I cannot understand abbreviations.

Do you know if there are any memorial books for the Kharkiv region online?

As for Aleksander and Denikin, I knew information would be difficult or impossible to find but I wanted to ask to make sure. I will ask in the Civil War thread later.

Regards,
Karolina


Êîãäà ÿ èñêàëà Àëåêñàíäðà, òî â "Ñïèñêå ñòóäåíòîâ Õàðüêîâñêîãî èìïåðàòîðñêîãî óíèâåðñèòåòà çà 1910-1911 ó÷åáíûé ãîä" óêàçàíî, ÷òî îí ðîäèëñÿ â 1884 ãîäó â Çìèåâñêîì óåçäå (íàçâàíèå ñåëà íå óêàçàíî) è åãî îòåö áûë ñâÿùåííèêîì. Ïîçæå ÿ íàøëà òó æå ññûëêó è èíôîðìàöèþ î Ïåòðå, êîòîðóþ ðàçìåñòèëè Âû. ß ïîñëàëà çàïðîñ ïî ýëåêòðîííîé ïî÷òå â Õàðüêîâñêèé àðõèâ ñ ïðîñüáîé ïðèñëàòü ñïðàâêó î ðîæäåíèè Àëåêñàíäðà Ïåòðîâè÷à Toranski, ðîä. â 1884 ãîäó â Genievka. ß ïîëó÷èëà ïèñüìî èç àðõèâà, ÷òî ýòî ñâèäåòåëüñòâî î ðîæäåíèè ñóùåñòâóåò. ß çàïðîøó èõ î êëèðîâûõ Ïåòðà.

Ñïàñèáî, ÷òî íàïèñàëè, ÷òî áûëî íàïèñàíî â ñêàíå. ß òîæå îãîð÷åíà, ÷òî ÿ íå ìîãó ÷èòàòü ïî-ðóññêè. ß â ñîñòîÿíèè îòëè÷èòü íåêîòîðûå áóêâû è ìîãó ñîáðàòü íåêîòîðûå ñëîâà èëè èìåíà, íî ÿ íå ìîãó ïîíÿòü ñîêðàùåíèé.

Çíàåòå ëè âû, åñòü ëè ïàìÿòíûå êíèãè Õàðüêîâñêîé îáëàñòè îíëàéí ?

×òî êàñàåòñÿ Àëåêñàíäðà è Äåíèêèíà, ÿ çíàëà, ÷òî èíôîðìàöèÿ áóäåò òðóäíî èëè íåâîçìîæíî íàéòè, íî ÿ õîòåëà ñïðîñèòü, ÷òîáû óáåäèòüñÿ. ß ñïðîøó â òåìàõ ïî Ãðàæäàíñêîé âîéíå ïîçæå.

Ñ óâàæåíèåì,
Karolina

Ïàìÿòíûå êíèæêè
http://book-old.ru/BookLibrary...y-gub.html

Êàòÿ! Ýòî ÒÎÒ Àëåêñàíäð, èíà÷å áû ÿ íå ñòàëà òðàòèòü íà íåãî ñòîëüêî âðåìåíè. È Êàðîëèíà îá ýòîì íàïèñàëà.
Åñòü ñîîáðàæåíèÿ ïî ðîçûñêó èíôîðìàöèè î ñëóæåíèè åãî â àðìèè Äåíèêèíà, ïîäñêàçàëè ìíå òóò êîìïåòåíòíûå êîëëåãè. Íóæíî çàïðîñèòü î íåì ÃÀÐÔ http://www.statearchive.ru/
Îôèöèàëüíûé àäðåñ ýëåêòðîííîé ïî÷òû äëÿ ðåãèñòðàöèè çàïðîñîâ:
garf@statearchive.ru (óë. Áîëüøàÿ Ïèðîãîâñêàÿ,17).
 ÃÀÐÔ èìååòñÿ êàðòîòåêà áåëîýìèãðàíòîâ, íóæíî ïðîñèòü, ÷òîáû ïî íåé ïîñìîòðåëè.
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Ó íèõ åñòü, â ÷àñòíîñòè, âîò òàêîå (ýòî íå äëÿ Êàðîëèíû, à ïðèìåðû, ÷òî ìîæíî íàéòè)
ôîíä 5982 îï2 ä101
Èìåííîé ñïèñîê Ãåíåðàëàì.îôèöåðàì è ñîëäàòàì.íàõîäÿùèìñÿ íà î ÊÈÏÐ âûðàçèâøèì æåëàíèå åõàòü â Ðóññêóþ àðìèþ â Êðûì
âîò òàêîå
ôîíä 6792 Ðóññêàÿ Ñåðáñêàÿ æåíñêàÿ ãèìíàçèÿ â Áåëãðàäå 1941ãîä - ó÷åíèöû
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Ìíîãî ÷åãî òàì åñòü. http://www.statearchive.ru/383

Moderator, yes, this is my Aleksander. He worked as high school professor/ inspector in Tsarist Russia in now Poland, Ukraine (Mariupol), and Saint Petersburg. My great-grandmother once said he had been to Bessarabia (I assume this was Mariupol) and he was always away for work.
In 1907, Alexander was promoted to the rank of non-commissioned officer in reserve in Izyum district of the province of Kharkov. At time of WWI, he was applied to service in the 62nd artillery division, and in course of serving there was promoted to the rank of second lieutenant in the year 1916.
In their wedding photo (1911/1912), Aleksander is wearing a civil uniform, not military.

elena_krd, I have no way of knowing Petr's patrynomic unless I order Aleksander's birth certificate. I am waiting to hear from the archive.
I will send a query to the email you provided, but Google translate does not make the information of the funds clear. Russian Serbian womens gymnasium 1941?
Where were you able to find the information about Nikolay?

Regards,
Karolina

Ìîäåðàòîð, äà, ýòî ìîé Àëåêñàíäð. Îí ðàáîòàë â êà÷åñòâå ïðîôåññîðà âûñîêîãî øêîëå / èíñïåêòîð â öàðñêîé Ðîññèè â íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ Ïîëüøà, Óêðàèíà (Ìàðèóïîëü), è Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã. Ìîÿ ïðàáàáóøêà îäíàæäû ñêàçàë, ÷òî îí áûë â Áåññàðàáèè (ÿ ïðåäïîëàãàþ, ÷òî ýòî áûëî Ìàðèóïîëü), è îí áûë âñåãäà äàëåêî çà ðàáîòó.
 1907 ãîäó Àëåêñàíäð áûë ïîâûøåí äî çâàíèÿ óíòåð-îôèöåðà â ðåçåðâå â Èçþìñêîì ðàéîíå ïðîâèíöèè Õàðüêîâå. Íà âðåìÿ Ïåðâîé ìèðîâîé âîéíû, îí áûë ïðèìåíåí íà ñëóæáó â 62-é àðòèëëåðèéñêîé äèâèçèè, è â õîäå ñëóæåíèÿ áûë ïîâûøåí â çâàíèè âòîðîãî ëåéòåíàíòà â 1916 ãîäó.
 ñâîþ ñâàäåáíóþ ôîòîãðàôèþ (1911/1912), Àëåêñàíäð îäåò â ãðàæäàíñêóþ ôîðìó, íå âîåííûå.

elena_krd, ó ìåíÿ íåò âîçìîæíîñòè óçíàòü, patrynomic Ïåòð, åñëè òîëüêî ÿ çàêàçûâàþ ñâèäåòåëüñòâî î ðîæäåíèè Àëåêñàíäðà àâòîðà. ß æäó, ÷òîáû óñëûøàòü èç àðõèâà.
ß ïîøëþ çàïðîñ íà ýëåêòðîííóþ ïî÷òó Âàì îáåñïå÷åí, íî Google Translate íå èìååò èíôîðìàöèè î ôîíäàìè ÿñíà. Ðóññêèé Ñåðáñêèé æåíñêîé ãèìíàçèè 1941 ãîäà?

Ãäå âû áûëè â ñîñòîÿíèè íàéòè èíôîðìàöèþ î Íèêîëàå?

Ñ óâàæåíèåì,
Karolina