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| toryc Oregon : 16 2019 . : 0 | Hello. I hope this is the correct place to get help. (I'm using Google Translate and having some problems.) I'm looking for information on this photo of my great, great grandfather. We were told that his name was Michael Jurkela or Jurkin- probably an anglicized version. We were told that he and others were executed by a Bolshevik firing squad in or around 1919. I am hoping to find his actual name and also if anyone can tell me anything about the branch of the military or the rank by his uniform. He is the man sitting. We do not know the identity of the man standing but would appreciate information. Michael was Finnish or Russian. His wife was Finnish and returned there after his death. |
| vikarii | #24 2019 11:58 toryc : I'm looking for information on this photo of my great, great grandfather. Good afternoon. If you are know first name and surname of your great grandfather, we may help you to find his track record in Military-History Archive (RGVIA, Moscow). If you are interested, please write me in private messages |
| VC : 8586 2008 . : 4550 | #24 2019 19:28 toryc : I'm looking for information on this photo of my great, great grandfather. We were told that his name was Michael Jurkela or Jurkin- probably an anglicized version. We were told that he and others were executed by a Bolshevik firing squad in or around 1919. I am hoping to find his actual name and also if anyone can tell me anything about the branch of the military or the rank by his uniform. He is the man sitting. We do not know the identity of the man standing but would appreciate information on him also.The photo was taken during WWI or the Civil War. Both are officers. Two stars on shoulder boards represent the rank of podporuchik (second lieutenant). Looks like the one standing on the right wears the badge of the Aleksandrs Military School ( ) located in Moscow. The picture is too blurry to read cyphers on shoulder boards of you great grandfather who sits on the left. It indicates the unit where he served at that time. I think the first digit is 4. Is it possible to scan this area of the picture with the 1200 dpi resolution? |
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| VC : 8586 2008 . : 4550 | toryc : 428 or 423. Do either of those sound correct?Sorry for the late reply. Either one is a possibility. If it is really a large three-digit number (above 400) and not a combination of numerals and letters, then its likely an infantry regiment. I doubt its 423 though. The top part of the digit 3 used on Russian army shoulder boards was straight. It seems to me that on the photo this part of the last digit is curved so 428 sounds like a better choice. See for yourself: https://gwar.mil.ru/army/839/ https://gwar.mil.ru/army/833/ There is another tricky thing - at different periods during the WWI there were two infantry regiments with the number 428. Initially it was (Staritsky) regiment which later got number 462. The number 428 was then assigned to (Lodeynopolsky) regiment which kept it till the end of the war. I dont know the story behind the switch. I saw some references online to Lodeynopolsky regiment being stationed in Finland at the end of WWI. I couldnt find an officer with the name Mihail Jurkin being mentioned anywhere. Are you sure that the name is correct? |
| VC : 8586 2008 . : 4550 | #2 2019 20:14 Derevo105 : !. ?..?.- 1908- . |
| toryc Oregon : 16 2019 . : 0 | #12 2020 3:10 >> VC 2 2019 20:11 Apologies. I never saw your reply. I've been doing more research lately and I just came across new information for him. The stories passed down about him in our family are incorrect. I was just sent a newspaper article from 1916 in Helsinki, where he was living and working as a merchant, about is murder (shot) outside his shop. Other records from Helsinki show that prior to his moving to Helsinki in 1908, he was in Vietka, Belarus. He was only 35 when he was killed. Any thoughts on how these dates might relate to his military service? Some of what he was selling was military uniforms and I am told that would have been unlikely without some connection to the military. As usual, his name is spelled differently in different records. I'm attaching two to show the differences. |
| VC : 8586 2008 . : 4550 | toryc : Apologies. I never saw your reply. I've been doing more research lately and I just came across new information for him. The stories passed down about him in our family are incorrect. I was just sent a newspaper article from 1916 in Helsinki, where he was living and working as a merchant, about is murder (shot) outside his shop. Other records from Helsinki show that prior to his moving to Helsinki in 1908, he was in Vietka, Belarus. He was only 35 when he was killed. Any thoughts on how these dates might relate to his military service? Some of what he was selling was military uniforms and I am told that would have been unlikely without some connection to the military.Based on these documents it does not look like he was in the military. He is also listed as a merchant in the Helsingfors address registry (Adressbok och yrkeskalender för Helsingfors) for 1913 and 1915-1916. I attached the page from the 1915 issue and here is the link to the 1913 registry: https://digi.kansalliskirjasto...p;ocr=true This database also lists him as "civilian": http://vesta.narc.fi/cgi-bin/d...kuid=40761 http://vesta.narc.fi/cgi-bin/d...kuolleet_0 I have doubts that he is either of these two officers. Is this photo signed? Any other info on the back like the place where it was taken? Did he have relatives in the military? Have you heard any other last names mentioned that could have been connected to the family? |
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