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18 èþíÿ 2007 22:31 Çäðàñòâóé, Ekaterina!
Ïàñòîðû åâàíãåëè÷åñêèõ öåðêâåé ñ çàïàäà Óêðàèíû ïîñûëàëè çàïèñè ñ öåðêîâíûõ êíèã â Ñàíêò Ïåòåðáóðã, ïî÷åìó îíè òàì òîëüêî äî 1889 ãîäà ñîõðàíèëèñü ìíå íå èçâåñòíî, íî îðèãèíàëû ýòèõ öåðêîâíûõ êíèã, åñëè ñîõðàíèëèñü, íàõîäÿòñÿ â ðàçíûõ äðóãèõ àðõèâàõ, íàïðèìåð â Âàðøàâñêîì àðõèâå õðàíÿòñÿ êíèãè ñ Ðîæèùå, Âëàäèìèð-Âîëûíñêèé, Ëóöê, ìîæåò è äðóãèå, íàïèøèòå òóäà çàïðîñ, âîò àäðåñ:
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20 èþíÿ 2007 12:33 AEnglesEkaterina_M
Õîòåëîñü áû äîáàâèòü
Âñå-òàêè êîëîíèÿ Íîéáóðã (Neuburg, ñåé÷àñ Íîâîãðàäîâêà) êàê è Ïåòåðñòàë (Peterstal, Ïåòðîäîëèíñêîå) íàõîäèëèñü â ðàéîíå Ëèáåíòàëü (Liebentaler Kolonistengebiet), à âîò â ðàéîíå Ãëþêñòàëü (Glückstal) íàõîäèëàñü êîëîíèÿ Íîéäîðô (Neudorf).
Ïîïðîáóéòå ïîèñêàòü â ýòîé êíèãå èíòåðåñóþùèå Âàñ ôàìèëèè.Stumpp Karl. Die Auswanderung aus Deutschland nach Rußland in den Jahren 1763 bis 1862
Âîçìîæíî, ýòî âûâåäåò Âàñ íà ïîèñêè â Ãåðìàíèè. Ó ìåíÿ åñòü àäðåñ îäíîãî ÷åëîâåêà â Ãåðìàíèè, êîòîðûé çàíèìàåòñÿ ôàìèëèåé Harsch ---
Äâà ÷óâñòâà äèâíî áëèçêè íàì - Â íèõ îáðåòàåò ñåðäöå ïèùó -
Ëþáîâü ê ðîäíîìó ïåïåëèùó, Ëþáîâü ê îòå÷åñêèì ãðîáàì.
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20 èþíÿ 2007 22:23 Äîáðûé âå÷åð, mibi. Ñïàñèáî çà èíôîðìàöèþ. Ïðî Neuburg ÿ óæå íàøëà, ÷òî îí îòíîñèòñÿ ê Grossliebental. ß ïîêà âñå äåòàëüíî èçó÷àþ. Âîçíèêàþò ñåðüåçíûå ñëîæíîñòè, ò.ê. ó íåìöåâ íå ïèøóò îò÷åñòâ, äà è íå òàê ìíîãî èìåí.
À ãäå ìîæíî âçÿòü ýòó êíèãó? Îíà åñòü â èíåòå?
Åñëè íå òðóäíî, ñêàæèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, êîîðäèíàòû ÷åëîâåêà, êîòîðûé çàíèìàåòñÿ ôàìèëèåé Harsch. Ïîäîçðåâàþ, ÷òî ðîäñòâåííèê. ---
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23 èþíÿ 2007 4:17 23 èþíÿ 2007 4:42 Ekaterina_MÂû íå çàãëÿäûâàëè íà ýòîò ñàéò? Ôàìèëèè Balliet, Martin ÷èñëÿòüñÿ ñðåäè ïåðâûõ ïîñåëåíöåâ Ïåòåðñòàëÿ, à Harsch ñðåäè ïåðâûõ ïîñåëåíöåâ â Íîéáóðãå. Çà 40$ â ãîä Âû ìîæåòå ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ âñåìè ðåñóðñàìè ñàéòà, èëè íàïðèìåð çà 20 ä. êóïèòü êîïèþ öåðêîâíîé êíèãè çà 1861-1880 ãã. èëè äàæå çà 1841-1860 ãã., ãäå çàïèñàíû ñëåä. è äð. ïåðñîíàëèè: Balliet Adam Balliet Christian 1819 Balliet Christian 1841 Balliet Franz 1797 Balliet Franz, Jr. 1830 Balliet Friedrich Balliet Friedrich Jacob 1826 Balliet Jacob 1844 Balliet Jacob 1843 Balliet Johann Jacob 1824 Balliet Johanna Balliet Juliana 1832 Balliet Margarethe 1801 Balliet Margarethe 1823 Balliet Maria 1823 Fuchs Balliet Marie 1823 Balliet Peter 1821 Balliet Peter 1854 Balliet Philipp Balliet Rosine Balliet Sophie ãîä îçíà÷àåò ãîä çàïèñè â êíèãå ïî ñëó÷àþ êàêîãî-ëèáî ñîáûòèÿ ( êðåùåíèå, êîíôèðìàöèÿ, âåí÷àíèå è ïðî÷.) ---
Äâà ÷óâñòâà äèâíî áëèçêè íàì - Â íèõ îáðåòàåò ñåðäöå ïèùó -
Ëþáîâü ê ðîäíîìó ïåïåëèùó, Ëþáîâü ê îòå÷åñêèì ãðîáàì.
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23 èþíÿ 2007 21:21 23 èþíÿ 2007 21:35 Çäðàâñòâóé Ekaterina! Ïðàâèëüíî, íå âñå ôàìèëèè ñðàçó.
Âîò äàòû î Balliet ñ Peterstal, Johann èììèãðèðîâàë â 1805 ãîäó â ñ. Peterstal, äàëåå äàòû ñ ïåðåïèñè Ïåòåðñòàëÿ çà 1816 ãîä:
Balliet Johann, 48 ëåò, æåíà Ottilie 38 ëåò, èõ äåòè - Ottilia ?, Barbara ?, Christian 23, Franz 17, Margaretha 14, Susanna óìåðëà â 1814 ãîäó.
Ottilia âûøëà çàìóæ çà Gottfried Götz 27, îí èç Grossliebental, Ottilia óìåðëà â 1816 ãîäó è èõ ñûí óìåð íîâîðîæäåíûì â 1816 ãîäó.
Barbara âûøëà çàìóæ â 1813 ãîäó â ñåëî Glückstal.
Äàëåå â ïåðåïèñè çà 1816 ãîä óêàçàíà åùå îäíà ñåìüÿ Balliet, êîòîðàÿ èìååò ðîäñòâåííîå îòíîøåíèå ê âûøåóêàçàííîé ñåìüå: Balliet Jakob 28, æåíà Maria 28, åãî äåòè - Katharina óìåðëà â 1815 ãîäó, Christian óìåðë â 1815 ãîäó, åãî ïðèåìíàÿ äî÷ü Elisabeth Memm 10.
Ekaterina Peterstal îòíîñèëîñü ê Grossliebental, êàê ïîëó÷ó êíèãó î Grossliebental êîëîíèè ïîñìîòðþ åùå â íåé. | | |
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23 èþíÿ 2007 22:02 Ekaterina ÿ òóò íåìíîãî ïîèñêàë è íàøåë äëÿ Âàñ ÷òî-òî èíòåðåñíîå, îäíà Brigitte Wingels èç Ãåðìàíèè èìååò â ñâîåì ñîáðàíèè î÷åíü ìíîãî ïåðñîí ñ ôàìèëèåé Balliet, ñðåäè íèõ ìíîãèå èç Peterstal, âîò åå ñàéò. Æåëàþ Âàì óäà÷è â ðàçáîðêå! | | |
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24 èþíÿ 2007 12:35 AEngles, îãðîìíîå ñïàñèáî çà ïîìîùü! Èññëåäîâàíèå ïîëó÷èëîñü øèêàðíîå: ñàìûé äàëüíèé ïðåäîê - Jsaac Balliet (Balliote) vor 1625, Burbach/Elsass/France. Èíòåðåñíî, ãäå Brigitte Wingels âçÿëà ìàòåðèàë. Òåïåðü, ÷òîáû ñëîæèëàñü ïîëíàÿ êàðòèíà, íåîáõîäèìû äàííûå ïî Peterstal çà 1890 - 1920 ãã. ---
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24 èþíÿ 2007 13:43 Ekaterina Âû ïèøåòå -íåîáõîäèìû äàííûå ïî Peterstal çà 1890 - 1920 ãã.-
à íå ïîìîãóò äàííûå ñ odess3 ñàéòà ñ ðàçäåëà War Records? òàì âåäü ìíîãèå Balliet èç Peterstal è ãîäà ïîäõîäÿùèå, à ñåìüè ìîæíî ïî íîìåðàì ñîñòàâèòü. | | |
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24 èþíÿ 2007 21:03 Âîò ÷òî ó ìåíÿ â èòîãå ïîëó÷èëîñü:
Isaac Balliet ( Balliote) vor 1625, Burbach, Elsass + ? = Jacob Balliet, 1641, Schalbach, Elsass
Jacob Balliet + Anna Fruibeau vor 1666 = Johann Nicolaus Balliet, 24 Okt 1680
Johann Nicolaus Balliet + Margaretha Durand, 15 Mär 1684 = Paulus Balliet, Aug 1719, Diedendorf, Elsass
Paulus Balliet + Susanna Grosjean, Kirrberg, Saar, Deutschland = Johannes Balliet, 9 Aug 1762, Rauweiler im Elsass (îí è ïðèåõàë â Petersthal)
Johannes Balliet + Ottilia Billiar, 22 Feb 1770, Kirchberg, Elsass = Johann Christian Balliet, 26 Jul 1792, Rauweiler im Elsass
Johann Christian Balliet + Gerhardt Eva Catharina = Peter Balliet, 16 Feb 1821, Petersthal
Peter Balliet + Christina Viege (Tiege ? ), 9 Jan 1829, Petersthal = Peter Balliet, 3 Dez 1854, Petersthal ---
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6 èþëÿ 2007 20:39 Ïðî Balliet íàøëîñü ìíîãî èíòåðåñíîé èíôîðìàöèè. Ýòà ôàìèëèÿ ïðîèçîøëà îò ôðàíöóçà-êðåñòîíîñöà è çâó÷àëà êàê Baillet, êòî çíà÷èò "ãíåäîé". Ïî-âèäèìîìó Chavalier ïðåäïî÷èòàë òàêóþ ïîðîäó ëîøàäåé  Ïðè÷åì ôàìèëèÿ ïèñàëàñü ñ ïðèñòàâêîé de è åñòü äàæå ôàìèëüíûé ãåðá. Âñÿ ýòà èíôîðìàöèÿ åñòü áëàãîäàðÿ òîìó, ÷òî íåñêîëüêî âíóêîâ Isaac Balliet óåõàëè â Àìåðèêó è èõ ïîòîìêè ñîáðàëè âñå ýòè äàííûå. ---
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