Íàðèñóéòå ñâîå äðåâî. Áåñïëàòíî. Îíëàéí.   [õ]
Âñåðîññèéñêîå Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîå Äðåâî
Íà ñàéòå ÂÃÄ ñîáèðàþòñÿ ëþäè, óâëå÷åííûå ãåíåàëîãèåé, èñòîðèåé, ãåðàëüäèêîé è ò.ä. Çäåñü âû íàéäåòå ñîáåñåäíèêîâ, ýêñïåðòîâ, óìåëûõ ïîìîùíèêîâ â ïîèñêàõ ïðåäêîâ è ðîäñòâåííèêîâ. Âàì ïîäñêàæóò ãäå èñêàòü äîêóìåíòû î ïàâøèõ â áîÿõ è ïðîïàâøèõ áåç âåñòè, â êàêîé àðõèâ îáðàòèòüñÿ ïðè èññëåäîâàíèè ðîäîñëîâíîé ñâîåé ñåìüè, ïîìîãóò îïðåäåëèòü ïî ñòàðîé ôîòîãðàôèè ïðèíàäëåæíîñòü ê âîèíñêèì ÷àñòÿì, âåäîìñòâàì è ÷èíó. ÂÃÄ - ïîèñê ëþäåé â ïðîøëîì, íàñòîÿùåì è áóäóùåì!
Âíèç ⇊
Ýòîò ðàçäåë - ÃÅÎÃÐÀÔÈ×ÅÑÊÈÉ - ïî óêàçàííûì ðåãèîíàì.
Ïðîñüáà ôàìèëüíûå òåìû ñîçäàâàòü è ðàçìåùàòü â ôàìèëüíîì ðàçäåëå https://forum.vgd.ru/?ct=1


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ÂÑÅ óêðàèíñêèå ðàçäåëû è òåìû çàêðûòû äëÿ ðåäàêòèðîâàíèÿ...
Íàïå÷àòàâ ñâîå ñîîáùåíèå, íå ïîëåíèòåñü ïðîâåðèòü åãî íà ïðåäìåò ãðàììàòè÷åñêèõ îøèáîê è íåòî÷íîñòåé â èçëîæåíèè
÷åðåç îïöèþ "Ïðåäâàðèòåëüíûé ïðîñìîòð"...è òîëüêî ïîòîì îòïðàâëÿéòå íà ôîðóì ÷åðåç îïöèþ "Îòïðàâèòü"..


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Ãîñ. àðõèâ Õìåëüíèöêîé îáëàñòè (ÃÀÕÎ (ÄÀÕÎ)) https://forum.vgd.ru/1474/
Ãîñ. àðõèâ Ëüâîâñêîé îáëàñòè (ÃÀËÎ) https://forum.vgd.ru/9032/
Ãîñ. àðõèâ Òåðíîïîëüñêîé îáëàñòè (ÃÀÒÎ(ÄÀÒÎ)) https://forum.vgd.ru/5030/
Ãîñ. àðõèâ Ðîâåíñêîé îáëàñòè (ÃÀÐÎ (ÄÀÐÎ)) https://forum.vgd.ru/1476/
Ãîñ. àðõèâ ×åðíîâèöêîé îáëàñòè (ÃÀ×Î (ÄÀ×Î)) https://forum.vgd.ru/3518/
Ãîñ. àðõèâ Âîëûíñêîé îáëàñòè (ÃÀÂÎ (ÄÀÂÎ)) https://forum.vgd.ru/1475/
ÖÃÈÀË ã. Ëüâîâ https://forum.vgd.ru/484/3191/ Êàòàëîãè ÌÊ è ãäå èñêàòü äåëà çäåñü https://forum.vgd.ru/post/484/3191/p2013162.htm#pp2013162
Ñïèñîê êàòàëîãîâ FamilySearch.org https://nashipredki.com/familysearch
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Ïðè öèòèðîâàíèè îñòàâëÿéòå òîëüêî òó ÷àñòü, íà êîòîðóþ äàåòå îòâåò, èëè çàäàåòå âîïðîñ, îñòàëüíîå îòñåêàéòå (óäàëÿéòå).
Íå íàäî êîïèðîâàòü ìíîãîñòóïåí÷àòûé äèàëîã.
Åñëè íåïîíÿòíî, êàê ýòî ñäåëàòü: â ïðàâîì íèæíåì óãëó ñîîáùåíèÿ íà êîòîðîå õîòèòå îòâåòèòü íàæìèòå îïöèþ «Íèê» è ïîñëå ýòîãî âñòàâüòå ôðàçó, íà êîòîðîâóþ îòâå÷àåòå â ñëåäóþùèé øàáëîí: [q] Ôðàçà íà êîòîðóþ îòâå÷àåòå [/q]


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Strilbycki

Kyiv, Ruthenia // Êè¿â, Óêðà¿íà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3219
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 3351
Òóò ñïèñîê ïð³çâèù òèõ ðîä³â, ÿê³ âæå áåðóòü (âçÿëè) ó÷àñòü â äîñë³äæåííÿõ:
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 7341
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2005 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 2499

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Òóò ñïèñîê ïð³çâèù òèõ ðîä³â, ÿê³ âæå áåðóòü (âçÿëè) ó÷àñòü â äîñë³äæåííÿõ:
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Ïîæàëóéñòà, ïîäðîáíåå: ÷òî çà èññëåäîâàíèå è êòî èññëåäîâàòåëè
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êîzàêû & øëÿõòà Ñòðѣëüáûöüê³, Îñòàïö³

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Kyiv, Ruthenia // Êè¿â, Óêðà¿íà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3219
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 3351
severinn - òàì ïî-ññûëêå âñå ðàñïèñàíî íà àíãëèéñêîì è ïîëüñêîì ÿçûêàõ:
(Polskie przetlumaczenie znajduje sie ponizej.)
Dzien dobry!
This project is open to anyone who has a patrilineal or matrilineal line back to the land area that once comprised the Polish-Lithuanian Republic (or Commonwealth) of the 16th-18th centuries, the Rzeczpospolita, as well as the earlier Kingdom of Poland of the 10th-16th centuries. This embraces modern-day Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus and Ukraine.
Since Poland was occupied by foreign powers throughout the 19th century, its parts were often known by provincial names like Galicia, Silesia, and White Croatia, or by the names of the occupying Russian, Prussian/German, and Austrian-Hungarian empires. Therefore, an ancestor may be Polish for the purposes of this geographic project even if a passenger list, census form, or birth, death or marriage certificate indicates a different country of origin or ethnicity. Contact the administrator at lgmayka@ieee.org with any questions.
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Dzien Dobry!
Projekt jest przeznaczony dla kazdego potomka w linii meskiej lub zenskiej osoby zamieszkujacej tereny ziem polskich - to jest nalezace dawnego Królestwa Polskiego z X-XVI w. oraz Rzeczypospolitej Obojga Narodów z okresu XVI-XVIII w. (po Unii Polsko-Litewskiej). Ziemie te odpowiadaja terenom dzisiejszej Polski, Litwy, Lotwy, Bialorusi i Ukrainy.
W XIX w. okresie zaborów tereny te funkcjonowaly pod lokalnymi nazwami jak: Królestwo Galicji, Slask, Ksiestwo Poznanskie, lub zostaly wlaczone bezposrednio do struktur panstw zaborczych Rosji, Prus i Austrii. Dlatego tez obowiazuje kryterium geograficzne, mimo iz polscy przodkowie mogli funkcjonowac w dokumentach takich jak metryki, spisy, listy pasazerskie jako mieszkancy Rosji, Prus czy Austrii. W razie pytan prosze o kontakt z administratorem projektu pod adresem e-mail: lgmayka@ieee.org
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Ïåðåêëàä (ïåðåâîä) íà óêðà¿íñüêó òà ðîñ³éñüêó ìîâó (ÿçü³ê):
óêðà¿íñüêîþ - Äîáðèé äåíü.
Ïðîåêò äëÿ íàùàäê³â ïî æ³íî÷³é, àáî ÷îëîâ³÷³é ë³í³¿ ðîäó, ç çåìåëü, ùî âõîäèëè äî ñêëàäó êîëèøíüî¿ øëÿõåòñüêî¿ Ðåñïóáë³êè Ñï³ëüíà Ñïðàâà (г÷ Ïîñïîëèòà), ïî÷èíàþ÷è ç X ³ ïî ÕV² ñòîë³òòÿ ³ Ðå÷³ Ïîñïîëèòî¿ çà ïåð³îä ç ø³ñòíàäöÿòîãî ïî â³ñ³ìíàäöÿòå ñòîë³òòÿ.
Òèõ çåìåëü, äå çàðàç ³ñíóþòü òàê³ äåðæàâè ÿê: Ïîëüùà, Ëèòâà, Ëàòâ³ÿ, Á³ëîðóñü òà Óêðà¿íà.
Ó äåâ'ÿòíàäöÿòîìó ñòîë³òò³ ï³ñëÿ àíåêñ³¿ öèõ çåìåëü ñóñ³äí³ìè ³ìïåð³ÿìè âîíè ôóíêö³îíóâàëè â³äïîâ³äíî äî ñâî¿õ ì³ñöåâèõ íàçâ, òàêèõ ÿê: Êîðîë³âñòâî Ãàëè÷èíè òà Ëîäîìåð³¿, ѳëå糿, êíÿç³âñòâà Ïîçíàíü, àáî âêëþ÷åí³ áåçïîñåðåäíüî â ñòðóêòóð Ðîñ³¿, Ïðóñ³¿ òà Àâñòðî-Óãîðùèíè. Çã³äíî ç öèì ãåîãðàô³÷íèì êðèòåð³ºì, êîëèøí³ ìåøêàíö³ Ðå÷³ Ïîñïîëèòî¿ ìîæóòü ô³ãóðóâàòè â áàãàòüõ äîêóìåíòàõ, òàêèõ ÿê: ñâ³äîöòâà ïðî íàðîäæåííÿ, ïåðåïèñè, ñïèñêè ïàñàæèð³â òà ³íøå, ÿê ìåøêàíö³ Ðîñ³¿, Ïðóñ³¿ àáî Àâñòð³¿. Ó ðàç³ âèíèêíåííÿ ïèòàíü ïðîõàííÿ çâ'ÿçàòèñÿ ç àäì³í³ñòðàòîðîì ïðîåêòó ïî åëåêòðîíí³é ïîøò³: lgmayka@ieee.org
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ïî-ðóññêè - Çäðàâñòâóéòå
Ïðîåêò äëÿ êàæäîãî ïîòîìêà, ïî æåíñêîé èëè ìóæñêîé ëèíèè, ïðåäêè êîòîðîãî ïðîèñõîäÿò èç çåìåëü, ÷òî âõîäèëè â ñîñòàâ áûâøåé Ðå÷è Ïîñïîëèòîé, íà÷èíàÿ ñ X è ïî XVI âåê è Ðå÷è Ïîñïîëèòîé çà ïåðèîä ñ øåñòíàäöàòîãî è äî âîñåìíàäöàòîãî âåêà.
Òåõ çåìåëü, ãäå ñåé÷àñ ðàñïîëîæåíû ãîñóäàðñòâà: Ïîëüøà, Ëèòâà, Ëàòâèÿ, Áåëîðóñü è Óêðàèíà.
 ñëó÷àå âîçíèêíîâåíèÿ âîïðîñîâ ïðîñüáà ñâÿçàòüñÿ ñ àäìèíèñòðàòîðîì ïðîåêòà ïî ýëåêòðîííîé ïî÷òå: lgmayka@ieee.org

Requirements \ Âèìîãî \ Òðåáîâàíèÿ -

A Geographic Project connects individuals who believe their direct line comes from a specific location. The Dual Geographic Projects are for individuals who order an mtDNA or Y-DNA test. Either their direct maternal line (mother's mother's mother's...) or direct paternal line (father's father's father's...) originates from this area.

Öåé ãåîãðàô³÷íèé ïðîåêò îá'ºäíóº ëþäåé, ÿê³ ââàæàþòü ñåáå ïðÿìèìè íàùàäêàìè ïî ëþá³é ³ç ë³í³é, ùî ïîõîäÿòü â³ä êîíêðåòíîãî ì³ñöÿ (íàñåëåíîãî ïóíêòó). Ïîäâ³éíèé ãåîãðàô³÷íèé ïðîåêò äëÿ òèõ îñ³á, ÿê³ çàìîâëÿþòü ìòÄÍÊ, àáî Y-ÄÍÊ-òåñò. Ïî ¿õ ïðÿì³é ìàòåðèíñüê³é ë³í³¿ (çàìîâíèê - ìàòè - áàáóñÿ - ïðàáàáóñÿ - ïðà..ïðàáàáóñÿ ³òä...), àáî ïî ïðÿì³é áàòüê³âñüê³é ë³í³¿ (çàìîâíèê -áàòüêî - ä³ä - ïðàä³ä - ïðà..ïðàä³ä ³ ò.ä. ...) ³ ¿õ ïðåäîê áåðå ñâ³é ïî÷àòîê ç öèõ çåìåëü.
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 7341
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2005 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 2499
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è óêàçàí ëè ðåçóëüòàò èññëåäîâàíèÿ ?
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 693
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 1696
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Äîðûé äåíü!!!!
Ïðåäñòàâèòåëè ôàìèëèé ãåðáà Ñàñ - òàêîé æå ñáðîä ëþäñêîé, êàê è ïî äðóãèì ãåðáàì. Íà ñëîâî ñáðîä îáèæàòüñÿ íå íàäî. Ñ òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ãåíåòèêè - ýòî àáñîëþòíî ðàçíûå ïðåäñòàâèòåëè ðîäîïëåìåííûõ îáùèí ìèðà.  ãåðá Ñàñ âñå îíè âêëþ÷åíû íå ïî ðîäñòâåííîìó ïðèíöèïó, à â ñèëó îáñòîÿòåëüñòâ. Ðàçíûõ. Âîïðîñ â äðóãîì. Ïî÷åìó êòî-òî ñ÷èòàåò, ÷òî åñëè åãî ôàìèëèÿ ïîäõîäèò è ÷èñëèòñÿ â ãåðáîâîì ïðîñòðàíñòâå Ñàñ - îí èìåííî ýòîé ðîäîâîé âåòêå ïðèíàäëåæèò????
Èññëåäîâàíèÿ Y çðîìîñîì âàæíû è óìåñòíû â ñåëåíèÿõ, ãäå íà ïðîòÿæåíèè ïîñëåäíèõ 250-300 ëåò ëþäè æèëè îñåäëî è íå ìîòàëèñü ïî ìèðó. Òàì äåéñòâèòåëüíî åñòü øàíñ îïðåäåëèòü ìíîãîå ïî ðîäñòâó, òèïà - íå ñîñåä ëè ÿâëÿåòñÿ ìîèì äåäóøêîé, èáî áàáóøêà ñëàáà íà ïåðåäîê è ñîãðåøèëà ñ âîäîëàçîì. À èñêàòü ÷åðåç Y õðîìîñîìíûé íàáîð ðîäñòâî ó øëÿõòû!!!!!!??????????
Îíà æåíèëàñü è âûõîäèëà çàìóæ íà îãðîìíîé òåððèòîðèè, ñìåøèâàÿñü ñî âñåì, ÷òî øåâåëèòñÿ. Êàêîå òàì ìîæåò áûòü ðîäñòâî??? Åñëè òîëüêî ñ äüÿâîëîì???!!!! Õîòÿ ìíîãèì ãðååò äóøó íàäåæäà, íå ðîäñòâåííèê ëè îí Àíãëèéñêîé Êîðîëåâå èëè íà êðàéíèé ñëó÷àé ïàïå Ðèìñêîìó.

Óâàæåíèåì ßêóò
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"Òåïåðü óåäèíþñü è áóäó êàìëàòü íà Ëûñîé Ãîðå. Äåòè, ïðèíåñèòå ìîé áóáåí è êîëîêîëü÷èêè". Àÿë Ñåòòå-Äàáàí, ðîìàí "Ìîè ïðåäêè - øàìàíû".
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êîzàêû & øëÿõòà Ñòðѣëüáûöüê³, Îñòàïö³

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Kyiv, Ruthenia // Êè¿â, Óêðà¿íà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 3219
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 3351

ÑÀÕÀ íàïèñàë:
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Äîðûé äåíü!!!!
Ïðåäñòàâèòåëè ôàìèëèé ãåðáà Ñàñ - òàêîé æå ñáðîä ëþäñêîé, êàê è ïî äðóãèì ãåðáàì. Íà ñëîâî ñáðîä îáèæàòüñÿ íå íàäî. Ñ òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ãåíåòèêè - ýòî àáñîëþòíî ðàçíûå ïðåäñòàâèòåëè ðîäîïëåìåííûõ îáùèí ìèðà.  ãåðá Ñàñ âñå îíè âêëþ÷åíû íå ïî ðîäñòâåííîìó ïðèíöèïó, à â ñèëó îáñòîÿòåëüñòâ. Ðàçíûõ. Âîïðîñ â äðóãîì. Ïî÷åìó êòî-òî ñ÷èòàåò, ÷òî åñëè åãî ôàìèëèÿ ïîäõîäèò è ÷èñëèòñÿ â ãåðáîâîì ïðîñòðàíñòâå Ñàñ - îí èìåííî ýòîé ðîäîâîé âåòêå ïðèíàäëåæèò????
Èññëåäîâàíèÿ Y çðîìîñîì âàæíû è óìåñòíû â ñåëåíèÿõ, ãäå íà ïðîòÿæåíèè ïîñëåäíèõ 250-300 ëåò ëþäè æèëè îñåäëî è íå ìîòàëèñü ïî ìèðó. Òàì äåéñòâèòåëüíî åñòü øàíñ îïðåäåëèòü ìíîãîå ïî ðîäñòâó, òèïà - íå ñîñåä ëè ÿâëÿåòñÿ ìîèì äåäóøêîé, èáî áàáóøêà ñëàáà íà ïåðåäîê è ñîãðåøèëà ñ âîäîëàçîì. À èñêàòü ÷åðåç Y õðîìîñîìíûé íàáîð ðîäñòâî ó øëÿõòû!!!!!!??????????
Îíà æåíèëàñü è âûõîäèëà çàìóæ íà îãðîìíîé òåððèòîðèè, ñìåøèâàÿñü ñî âñåì, ÷òî øåâåëèòñÿ. Êàêîå òàì ìîæåò áûòü ðîäñòâî??? Åñëè òîëüêî ñ äüÿâîëîì???!!!! Õîòÿ ìíîãèì ãðååò äóøó íàäåæäà, íå ðîäñòâåííèê ëè îí Àíãëèéñêîé Êîðîëåâå èëè íà êðàéíèé ñëó÷àé ïàïå Ðèìñêîìó.

Óâàæåíèåì ßêóò
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È Âàì, ßêóò, çäðàñòüå.
Äà, åñòü ìíîãî òî÷åê çðåíèÿ íà äàííûé âîïðîñ, íåêîòîðûå ôàìèëèè 100% "ñïîð³äíåí³", ïðîèñõîäÿò îò îäíîãî êîðíÿ, ïðîñòî îñàäíèê øëÿõòè÷ áðàë (åìó äàâàëè) íîâîå ïðèçâûùå ïî åãî ìàåòêó. Âïîëíå âîçìîæíî ÷òî â äàííûé "ñáðîä" âêëþ÷àëè âñåõ ïîäðÿä è íå âñå ôàìèëèè èìåþò îòíîøåíèå ê îñíîâàòåëþ äàííîãî ðîäà íà Ðóñè, âîåâîäå - Äðàãî Ñàñó.
Òàêîé íàëèç ïîñòàâèò âñå òî÷êè íàä "³" â äàííîì âîïðîñå, äàñò îòâåò êàêèå ðîäû ðîäñòâåííèêè, à êàêèå íåò.
Åñòü òîâàðèùåñòâî, â êîòîðîì áîëüøèíñòâî èìåííî ñàñîâ è ìû õîòèì ïðîâåñòè òàêîé ýêñïåðåìåíò, òàê-æå ïðèãëàøàåì äðóãèõ ñàñîâ ïðèñîåäèíèòüñÿ ê íåìó.

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Õìåëüíèöêèé
Ñîîáùåíèé: 693
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 1696
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Äîáðûé äåíü!!!
Äà ÿ ïðîñòî ïî ýòîé ñèòóàöèè âñåãäà ñìîòðþ â êîðåíü. Åñòü ìíîãî óêðàèíöåâ ñ ôàìèëèåé Ñàñ. Öûãàíå èìåþò òàêóþ òîæå ÷àñòî. Ó åâðååâ òîæå òàêèå åñòü ôàìèëèè. Ìîæåò íàäî òîãäà âñåõ ïîçâàòü â ýòîò êëóá. È èç Àôðèêè åñòåñòâåííî è èç Èíäèè. À ïî÷åìó íåò??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ãåíåòèêà è àíàëèç âàæíû êîíå÷íî. ×òîæ òóò ñïîðèòü. Ìîæåò íàäî íà÷àòü ñ ïðîñòåéøèõ âåùåé. Íàïðèìåð, âçÿòü ýëåìåíòàðíî ó âñåõ ïðåòåíäåíòîâ îòïå÷àòêè ïàëüöåâ. Ïî íèì ìîæíî îïðåäåëèòü ðîäîâóþ ïðèíàäëåæíîñòü íå õóæå, ÷åì ïî õðîìîñîìå. Ôèçèîíîìè÷åñêèå îñîáåííîñòè îïÿòü æå âñåãäà ïîêàçûâàþò ðîäñòâî. Êðóã øèðîêèé â ñïîñîáå èññëåäîâàíèÿ. ß èñõîäèë èõ íåîáõîäèìîñòåé êðàéíèõ, ñ÷èòàÿ, ìîæåò íà Âàø âçãëÿä íåñïðàâåäëèâî, ÷òî ýòî ïðèõîòü ÷èñòîé âîäû, êîãäà êòî-òî, çíàÿ òî÷íî, ÷òî ýòî ñáðîä, ïðåäëàãàåò ïðîéòè ïðîöåäóðó ñäà÷è êðîâè.  òî æå âðåìÿ íå ëîõîòðîí, ïîñêîëüêó çíàþ Âàñ äàâíî è óâåðåí, ÷òî òóò íå ìàõèíàöèÿ. Òîãäà êàêàÿ öåëü????
Ïîñòàâëþ âîïðîñ èíà÷å. À ñ êåì ñîáñòâåííî Âû áóäóòå ñðàâíèâàòü èëè êóäà îòñåâàòü òåõ, êòî íå Âàø. Òîãäà ÷åé??? È ãäå âçÿòü ïåðâîíà÷àëüíóþ îòïðàâíóþ òî÷êó, òî áèøü ñ êîãî ñíèìàòü ïîêàçàíèÿ â ïîëíîé óâåðåííîñòè, ÷òî ýòî 100% ÑÀÑ. Ìîæåò ó Âàñ åñòü îò Äðàãî Ñàñà ãåíåòè÷åñêèé êîä??? Ìîæåò òàì â ïóòè ýòîãî ðîäà íå áûëî ïðîáåëîâ??????????????????? Òèïà âñåõ ïîèìåííî çíàåòå îò íåãî äî ñåãî äíÿ??????????
Äà íåò, ÿ íå ñòîþ ó Âàñ íà ïóòè. Ïðîñòî âñåãäà âàæåí ðåçóëüòàò. Ìîæíî ñêàçàòü, ÷òî ïîñëå àíàëèçà ñäåëàåì ðàñ÷åòû è âûÿâèì ïîòîìêîâ Ñàñà. Õîòåëîñü áû çíàòü êàê???
ß íå èñòîðèê. ß ìàòåìàòèê. Çàðàíåå Âàì ãîâîðþ - íè÷åãî íå áóäåò. Òóò äîëãî áîëòàëè, ÷òî ïî ìèòîõîíäðèè âñå ìû èç Àôðèêè âûïîëçëè 70 òûñÿ÷ ëåò íàçàä è ó íàñ îäíà ìàìà. Ãðîìêî îðàëè. Ïðåññà ëîìèëàñü îò êîììåíòàðèåâ. Ïîòîì òèõî â ìàòåìàòè÷åñêîì æóðíàëå îïóáëèêîâàëè ñòàòüþ ñ ðàñ÷åòàìè, ÷òî âñÿ ýòà òåîðèÿ - áðåä ñèâîé êîáûëû. È ìû íå èç Àôðèêè. Ìû îòîâñþäó. Ïðîñòî êîïàòü íà ïðåäìåò ïîèñêà ïðåäêîâ ìîæíî íå âåçüäå è íå âñåãäà. Ãäå-òî âå÷íàÿ ìåðçëîòà, à ãäå-òî âëàæíî è âñ¸ ñãíèëî. À â Àôðèêå êàê ðàç ñóõîâàòî áûëî, ïîòîìó òàì îñòàíêè âàëÿëèñü è îêàìåíåëè. Îòñóòñòâèå õèùíèêîâ ñäåëàëè êîå ñ êåì êàê â àíåêäîòå.
Êëóá Ñàñîâ - õîðîøî. Ýòî ïîëåçíî äëÿ îáùåíèÿ è îáìåíà èíôîðìàöèåé. Âåäü íå äëÿ êîãî íå ñåêðåò, ÷òî æèçíü ðàçáðîñàëà íàðîä êðóãîì. Ñîáèðàòüñÿ íàäî. Îáÿçàòåëüíî.
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