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Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
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22 ÿíâàðÿ 2013 18:16 22 ÿíâàðÿ 2013 18:17 The History of Slavs Inferred from Complete Mitochondrial Genome Sequences Marta Mielnik-Sikorska, Patrycja Daca, Boris Malyarchuk, Miroslava Derenko, Katarzyna Skonieczna, Maria Perkova, Tadeusz Dobosz ... http://www.plosone.org/article...ne.0054360 The third most common in Europe and the least studied is haplogroup H5. This subclade reaches maximal frequencies in Southern Europe (4–6%), but is virtually absent in the Middle East [25], [27]–[29]. In Slavic populations, H5 is observed at frequencies from 3.2% in Ukraine to 2.5% in Poland, Russia, Czech Republic and Slovakia ([14]–[23] ( à ãäå Áåëîðóññèÿ?!) and data presented in this study). Due to the higher occurrence of H5 in southern European populations and evolutionary age of ca. 16 ky, which coincides with the period of increased migration from southern to northern parts of Europe after the LGM, the reconstruction of its H5 phylogeny could provide an important information on relatively recent processes that took place in the history of European continent. It is also worth noting that some clusters of H5, like H5a could have been of central European origin [14], [24], [27], [30], [31]. Thus, one may assume that phylogenetic reconstruction of H5 together with the information on the geographical distribution of haplotypes belonging to this clade could be helpful in evaluating the origin of Slavs. Ýòî ãã ìîåé áåëîðóññêîé ïðàáàáêè Àêèëèíû Èâàíîâíû (ïî ìóæó Êîâàëåâîé) èç ä. Øàáëè Êëèìîâèöêîãî ó. (ñîâð. Êîñòþêîâè÷ñêèé ð-í) Ìîãèëåâñêîé îáë. Æàëü, ÷òî äàëüøå íåå (îíà ðîäèëàñü îê. 1860 ã.) ÿ íèêîãî íå çíàþ...  ---
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Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
Alekseej Íîâîñèáèðñê Ñîîáùåíèé: 276 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 687 | Íàâåðõ ##
16 ìàðòà 2013 14:50 Ìîé ïðåäîê Êîâàëåâ Ñåìåí Âàñèëüåâè÷ ñî ñâîèìè äåòüìè Ôåäîñååì, Àíäðååì è Àëåêñàíäðîé (ìîÿ ïðàáàáóøêà) ïðèøëè èç Áåëîðóññèè, òî÷íî íå çíàþ îòêóäà, íî ïî ðàññêàçàì èç Ãîìåëüñêîé ãóáåðíèè èëè óåçäà. À ïðèøëè îíè â Íîâîñèáèðñêóþ îáë. Êûøòîâñêèé ð-í ä. Àïòóðàê ---
Áó(ë)ãàêîâû, Êà(î)øèíñêèå, Òåðÿåâû, Êðàâöîâû, Êîâàëåâû, Àðòåìåíêî, Øà(å)áàøåâû, Õðûêèíû, Ïàâëîâû, Ãëóøêîâû, Òåëåãèíû, Ëóïàíîâû, Ìåùåðÿêîâû, Àðòàìîíîâû, Èâàíîâû, Áàðàíîâû, Âîðîïàåâû, Àäðèàíîâû, Øèëîâû. | | |
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5 àâãóñòà 2013 17:13 5 àâãóñòà 2013 17:14 Ïîõîæå, â Øàáëÿõ ìîè Êîâàëåâû òàêè ïðèøëûå... Íó ÷òî äåëàòü ñ êî÷åâûìè ïðåäêàìè?! Ñíà÷àëà ìàìèíûõ Îãëîòêîâûõ èñêàëà ïî âñåé îêðóãå âîçëå Äóõîâíèöêîãî, à íàøëà è âîâñå â Ãîðáàòîâñêîì óåçäå Íèæåãîðîäñêîé ãóáåðíèè, òåïåðü âîò îòöîâñêèå Êîâàëåâû íèêàê íå äàþòñÿ  Ïðàâäà, ìíå ãðåõ æàëîâàòüñÿ - îòöîâñêèõ æå Ãëóøàêîâ ÿ ñìîãëà ïðîñëåäèòü â Øèðÿåâêå-Ãîðäååâêå äî 1755 ã. Îïÿòü æå, òóäà îíè ïðèøëè "ñ Ïîëøè" â 1743 ã. è ýòî, ïîõîæå, óæå âñå, ãäå èõ èñêàòü â Ïîîëüøå (òî áèøü Áåëîðóññèè) - Áîã âåñòü. Âîçâðàùàÿñü ê Êîâàëåâûì: ïîêà ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî â êîíöå Õ1Õ â. Ïðîêîôèé Ãðèãîðüåâè÷ Êîâàëåâ ñ æåíîé Àêèëèíîé Èâàíîâíîé æèâóò â Øàáëÿõ: â 1885 ã. ó íèõ çäåñü ðîæäàåòñÿ ñûí Çàõàð, â 1894 ã. Ïà ñóäèòñÿ ñ ñåëüñêèì îáùåñòâîì çà çåìëþ, ðàññêàçûâàÿ â ïðîøåíèè, ÷òî "ëåò 5 íàçàä ñåëüñêîå îáùåñòâî êóïèëî çåìëþ ó ïîìåùèêà Ãîëûíñêîãî" (ÍÈÀÁ ô. 2014 "Ìîãèëåâñêîå ãóáåðíñêîå ïðèñóòñòâèå" îï. 1 ä. ¹ 1155 "Ïî æàëîáå êðåñòüÿíèíà Êëèìîâè÷ñêîãî óåçäà Ìîøåâñêîé âîëîñòè äåðåâíè Øàáåëü Ïðîêîôèÿ Ãðèãîðüåâè÷à Êîâàë¸âà íà íåïðàâèëüíîå (ïîñòàíîâëåíèå) óòâåðæäåíèå Êëèìîâè÷ñêèì óåçäíûì ïî êðåñòüÿíñêèì äåëàì ïðèñóòñòâèåì ïðèãîâîðà Øàáåëüñêîãî Ñåëüñêîãî Ñõîäà î ïåðåäåëå çåìëè, êóïëåííîé èì ó ïîìåùèêà Ãîëûíñêîãî" (íà÷. 26.10.1894 ã., êîí÷åíî 8.05.1896 ã.))Íî â 10-é ðåâèçèè â Ùàáëÿõ íåò Ãðèãîðèÿ ñ ñûíîì Ïðîêîôèåì (êàê, âïðî÷åì, è Èâàíà ñ äî÷åðüþ Àêèëèíîé).  1858 ã. â äåðåâíå 37 äîìîõîçÿåâ (ïî âûêóïíîìó äåëó 26), à â äåëå 1894 ã. - óæå òîëüêî 16. Ïîõîæå, ÷òî ïîñëå îñâîáîæäåíèÿ ñîñòàâ æèòåëåé äåðåâíè ñèëüíî ïîìåíÿëñÿ. È ãäå ìíå òåïåðü èñêàòü ñïèñêè æèòåëåé Øàáåëü â ýòîì äîñòàòî÷íî áîëüøîì ïðîìåæóòêå? Êàêèå-òî ðåêðóòñêèå ñïèñêè? Åùå ÷òî-íèáóäü âîåííîå (ïî ñëó÷àþ ââåäåíèÿ âîèíñêîé ïîâèííîñòè)? ÍÈÀÁ ïî ìíå ïëà÷åò ---
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Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
Ivan Samtsevich ã. Áîðèñîâ, Áåëàðóñü Ñîîáùåíèé: 610 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 10342 | Íàâåðõ ##
8 àâãóñòà 2013 23:01 Åêàòåðèíà, â îïèñè ô. 2209 http://fk.archives.gov.by/fond/81543/ åñòü ëþáîïûòíîå äëÿ âàñ äåëî 2209 - 1 - 32 çà 04.11.1867 î "ïîëþáîâíîì ñîãëàøåíèè íà ðàçìåæåâàíèå äà÷è Ìîêðîå, Âèøåíüêè, Øàáåëè Êëèìîâè÷ñêîãî óåçäà â ÷àñòè äà÷è ìåñòå÷êà Õîòèìñê." Íàäåþñü, ïî ðåçóëüòàòàì åãî ïðîñìîòðà êàðòèíà ïî âàøèì Êîâàë¸âûì íåìíîãî ïðîÿñíèòüñÿ  ---
Respect the Past. Create the Future.
Êîììåð÷åñêîé ãåíåàëîãèåé íå çàíèìàþñü è íà âîïðîñû â ëè÷êó ïî ýòîé òåìàòèêå íå îòâå÷àþ
Àêòóàëüíûé ïîèñê:
Ìîë÷àíû (äåð. Ëÿäû. Ñìèëîâè÷ñêàÿ âîë.);
Æóêè (äåð. Æóêè, Êîðåëè÷ñêàÿ âîë.);
ñåëî Âåðõíÿÿ Ñûðîâàòêà, Ñóìñêèé óåçä | | Ëàéê (1) |
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9 àâãóñòà 2013 10:10 9 àâãóñòà 2013 10:11 Óðà!!! Õîòèìñê ïîáëèçîñòè!! Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî ïî ñåìåéíîé èíôîðìàöèè Êîâàëåâû - ôàìèëèÿ íåäàâíÿÿ, êòî áûëè äî òîãî - íå èçâåñòíî. Ñóùåñòâóþò äâå âåðñèè: Ôåäîñåíêî è Åëåíñêèå èç Õîòèìñêà. Èâàí, ñïàñèáî Âàì áîëüøîå! ---
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Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
Ivan Samtsevichã. Áîðèñîâ, Áåëàðóñü Ñîîáùåíèé: 610 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 10342 | Íàâåðõ ##
22 àâãóñòà 2013 11:22 Äåëî 2209 - 1 - 32. Äåëî ñîñòîèò èç ñòà ñ ëèøíèì äîêóìåíòîâ, ïðîöåíòîâ 80 èç êîòîðûõ - ïåðåïèñêà ìåæäó ÷èíîâíèêàìè (÷òî-òî âðîäå ñîâðåìåííûõ îò÷¸òîâ è ïîÿñíèòåëüíûõ çàïèñîê) ïî çåìåëüíûì âîïðîñàì. Âðåìÿ íå ñîîòâåòñòâóåò óêàçàííîìó â îïèñè - â íà÷àëå îêîëî 10 çàïèñåé çà 40-å ãîäû 19 âåêà, çàòåì, çà ñàìûå èíòåðåñíûå äëÿ âàñ ãîäû 50 - 60, ïðàêòè÷åñêè íè÷åãî, îñíîâíàÿ ìàññà äîêóìåíòîâ ïî 70-ì - 80-ì ãîäàì. Äåð. Øàáëè óïîìèíàåòñÿ íåîäíîêðàòíî (è áîëüøå ÷åì â ïîëîâèíå ñëó÷àåâ - â ñâÿçêå ñ Õîòèìñêîì) - íàïðèìåð äîêóìåíò ¹5 Ïîëþáîâíàÿ ñêàçêà äà÷è Ñåëüöà, ñîñòàâëåííàÿ â 1844. Èëè äîêóìåíò ¹42 Ïîëþáîâíàÿ ñêàçêà âëàäåëüöåâ äà÷è ñåëüöà Ìàëîãî Õîòèìñêà (27.02.1878) (èíòåðåñíî - ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, â òå ãîäû Õîòèìñêîâ áûëî íåñêîëüêî?, ëèáî æå ñîâðåìåííûé Õîòèìñê îáðàçîâàí íà ìåñòå íåñêîëüêèõ ïîñåëåíèé (÷òî ñêîðåå âñåãî)).  ýòîì äîêóìåíòå êðóïíûå çåìëåäåëüöû (ïîìåùèêè è êóïöû) äîãîâàðèâàþòñÿ ñ êðåñòüÿíàìè íåñêîëüêèõ äåðåâåíü ïî çåìåëüíûì âîïðîñàì.
Ïðè÷¸ì êàæäàÿ äåðåâíÿ ïðåäñòàâëåíà îäíèì èçáðàííûì ïðåäñòàâèòåëåì, â ÷àñòíîñòè, Øàáëè - Çàõàðîì Ô¸äîðîâûì, êîòîðûé âñåãäà è ïðåäñòàâëÿåò ñâîþ äåðåâíþ. Âîîáùå, êðåñòüÿíå â áîëüøèíñòâå ñëó÷àåâ áåç ôàìèëèé, è òîëüêî ãëàâû ñåìåé.
Âàñ, íàâåðíîå, çàèíòåðåñóåò îäèí äîêóìåíò (îí áåç äàòû, íî, ò.ê. â äåëå äîêóìåíòû èäóò â õðîíîëîãè÷åñêîì ïîðÿäêå, òî ýòî 1884 èëè 1885 ãîä)
Îïèñü èìóùåñòâà êðåñòüÿí Êëèìîâè÷ñêîãî óåçäà Ìîøåâñêîé âîëîñòè äåðåâíè Øàáåëü ñîñòàâëåííàÿ çà íå ïëàò¸æ ìåæåâîé íåäîèìêè â ñóììå 11 ðóá. 38 êîï. (îðôîãðàôèÿ îðèãèíàëà). Ïåðâûì â ñïèñêå (âñåãî äåñÿòîê êðåñòüÿí) Ïðîêîôèé Ãðèãîðüåâ, ÷èñëî íàäåëîâ 3, íåäîèìêà 1 ðóá. 71 êîï., îïèñàíî èìóùåñòâà 5 ãóñåé (1 ðóá. 25 êîï.) è 1 îâöà (1 ðóá).
Åù¸ îò ñåáÿ äîáàâëþ - ÿ ñìîòðåë öåëåíàïðàâëåííî äåð. Øàáåëè, íî â ïðèíöèïå â äîêóìåíòàõ äîâîëüíî ìíîãî êðåñòüÿíñêèõ èì¸í ïî äðóãèì äåðåâíÿì óåçäà, äëÿ ïàðû äåðåâåíü åñòü äàæå ïîäîáèå ñïèñêîâ äîìîõîçÿåâ (70-å - 80-å ãîäû), ïîýòîìó, êòî èùåò ïî äàííîìó ðåãèîíó - ãëÿíüòå, ìîæåò, ïîâåç¸ò ---
Respect the Past. Create the Future.
Êîììåð÷åñêîé ãåíåàëîãèåé íå çàíèìàþñü è íà âîïðîñû â ëè÷êó ïî ýòîé òåìàòèêå íå îòâå÷àþ
Àêòóàëüíûé ïîèñê:
Ìîë÷àíû (äåð. Ëÿäû. Ñìèëîâè÷ñêàÿ âîë.);
Æóêè (äåð. Æóêè, Êîðåëè÷ñêàÿ âîë.);
ñåëî Âåðõíÿÿ Ñûðîâàòêà, Ñóìñêèé óåçä | | Ëàéê (1) |
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Äíèïðî (áûâø. Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê)
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7047
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22 àâãóñòà 2013 16:37 22 àâãóñòà 2013 16:56 Èâàí,
áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî! Èíòåðåñíûé ôîíä, íàäî áóäåò ïðè ñëó÷àå èçó÷èòü.
Çíà÷èò, ìîé ïðàäåä Ïðîêîôèé Êîâàëåâ â ýòî âðåìÿ óæå æèë â Øàáëÿõ. ---
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Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
| Trufel Ó÷àñòíèê
Òàìáîâ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 57
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã.
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7 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2013 10:57 Ìîé ïðàäåä Êîâàë¸â Êàñòîð (îò÷åñòâî ïîêà íå çíàþ). Çíàþ, ÷òî ó íåãî áûëî íåñêîëüêî äåòåé, çíàþ òîëüêî î äâîèõ: Ëèäèÿ - ìîÿ áàáóøêà(-1990), Àëåêñàíäð. Îòêóäà îíè íå çíàþ, íî ìîé îòåö ðîäèëñÿ â ä.Êîâèçèíî Íèêîëî-Øèðñêèé ñ/ñ, Ïàðôåíüåâñêèé ð/í, Êîñòðîìñêîé îáë. Äåðåâíè óæå ëåò 20-25 êàê íåò ñîâñåì. Âåòêîé Êîâàë¸âûõ òîëüêî íà÷àëà çàíèìàòüñÿ, ðàíüøå çàíèìàëàñü äðóãèìè âåòêàìè. Ìîæåò êòî ñòàëêèâàëñÿ, âñ¸-òàêè èìÿ Êàñòîð äîâîëüíî -òàêè ðåäêîå. | | |
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Äíèïðî (áûâø. Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê)
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7047
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