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Íàòàøà ÑÌÎðãàíèçàòîð Ñìîëåíñêîãî Ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîãî êëóáà  ãîðîä-ãåðîé Ñìîëåíñê Ñîîáùåíèé: 3085 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2012 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 2628 | Íàâåðõ ##
17 àïðåëÿ 2013 15:30 17 àïðåëÿ 2013 15:31 Áëàãîäàðÿ ôîðóì÷àíàì çàðàçèëàñü èäååé ñäåëàòü ÄÍÊ-òåñò Íî ïîíÿëà, ÷òî î÷åíü òðóäíî âûáèðàòü íóæíóþ èíôîðìàöèþ ïî êðóïèíêàì èç ðàçíûõ òåì, èç äíåâíèêîâ ó÷àñòíèêîâ è ò.ä. Ïîñòåïåííî çàáûâàåøü, ÷òî ãäå ïðî÷èòàë ,à âòîðîé ðàç íå âñåãäà íàéòè ïîëó÷àåòñÿ. Äà åùå, ÷àñòåíüêî, è ïîíÿòü íå ìîæåøü íåçíàêîìûå àááðåâèàòóðû è ñëîâà, à ïðîñèòü êàæäûé ðàç ïåðåâåñòè " ñ ðóññêîãî íà ðóññêèé" - êàê-òî íåóäîáíî  È òàê, íà ôîíå äèñêóññèé îïûòíûõ ôîðóì÷àí ÷óâñòâóåøü ñåáÿ íå ñîâñåì ðàçóìíûì ñóùåñòâîì))) À âîïðîñîâ êó÷à!!!  Õîòÿ, ÿ óâåðåíà, ó âñåõ íà÷èíàþùèõ, îäíè è òå æå âîïðîñû, ñîìíåíèÿ è ò.ä. Èíòåðåñ ê ýòîìó äåëó âñ¸ ðàñòåò è æåëàþùèõ âñ¸ áîëüøå è áîëüøå. Ïîýòîìó î÷åíü ïðîøó çíàþùèõ è îïûòíûõ â ýòîì äåëå èññëåäîâàòåëåé, ïîìî÷ü íàì, íîâè÷êàì, â îñâîåíèè ÄÍÊ-ãåíåàëîãèè  Ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî ìíîãèå ó ñåáÿ âûêëàäûâàëè ðàíåå êàêèå-òî ñîâåòû è ðåêîìåíäàöèè, äåëèëèñü îïûòîì - ïðîñòî îñòàâüòå çäåñü ññûëî÷êè, ïîæàëóéñòà. Äóìàþ, òàê íîâè÷êè (â òîì ÷èñëå, è ÿ) áûñòðåå ðàçáåðóòñÿ è áóäóò Âàì î÷åíü áëàãîäàðíû! Íó è êîíå÷íî, ÿ äóìàþ, ÄÍÊ-ñîîáùåñòâî òîëüêî âûèãðàåò, åñëè áëàãîäàðÿ ýòîé òåìå ê íåìó ïðèñîåäèíÿòñÿ íîâåíüêèå "äíê-íàðêîìàíû", êàê âûðàçèëñÿ êòî-òî èç ôîðóì÷àí
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| kbg_dnepr Äíèïðî (áûâø. Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê) Ñîîáùåíèé: 7049 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4362
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17 ôåâðàëÿ 2014 17:38 18 ôåâðàëÿ 2014 12:42 Âîò ÷òî ïèøó ÿ íàðîäó, êîòîðûé íå õî÷åò "øàðèòüñÿ": thank you for your message and accepting my introduction. It's a pity you don't want to share, although I think, it doesn‘t have much sense: for a traceable link there must be at least 0.50% in common in SOME segments. Up to now, only my cousin and my aunt have matches which are graded 3rd to 5th cousin, but they didn't accept the sharing yet  . And to find a common ancestor in the 6th or 7th generation I should know 32 or 64 ancestors... As I only know 2 lines on my father's side, there is much to dig till then  I manage here 5 accounts: me, my mom, my maternal cousin, my paternal aunt and my husband. I'm already 3 years here, I tested my husband and myself 2 years ago. I'm interested in genealogy, and in Russia the archives are partly destroyed in the years of revolutions and wars, not digitalized and sometimes difficult to access. So I did the tests in the hope to find some 3rd or 4th cousins. I didn't so far but I hope now when the price is affordable for more people this can change. So I invite all my DNA-Relatives to share. If a person accepts, I can see in My Results - Ancestry Tools - Family Inheritance: Advanced where precisely we match (on which chr., what part of it, how long is the common segment). An impressive story here: http://www.yourgeneticgenealog...alogist%29Best Catherine Ñìûñë: ñïàñèáî, ÷òî ïðèíÿëè ìîå ïðåäñòàâëåíèå, æàëü, ÷òî íå õîòèòå "øàðèòüñÿ".  ñëó÷àå øåðèíãà ÿ ñìîãó óâèäåòü, ãäå êîíêðåòíî ìû ñîâïàäàåì.  ïðèíöèïå, ñàìîå ãëàâíîå - ýòî ÷òîáû ÷åëîâåê íàïèñàë, îòêóäà ïðåäêè è êàêèå ôàìèëèè. Åñëè íè÷åãî áëèçêîãî íåò, òî è Áîã ñ íèì, è âîò åñëè åñòü íàäåæäà... Òîãäà íàäî åãî êàê-òî îñòîðîæíî ñîáëàçíÿòü ×òî êàñàåòñÿ ñòåïåíè èíòåðåñíîñòè: åñëè äàìà åâðåéêà, òî ýòî ìîæåò áûòü íå î÷åíü èíòåðåñíî (ó åâðååâ, êîòîð³å âñå ìåæäó ñîáîé â ïåðåêðåñòíîì ðîäñòâå, çíà÷èòåëüíî áîëüøå íè÷åãî íå ãîâîðÿùèõ îáùèõ ñåãìåíòîâ), à âîò åñëè íåò, òî ìîæåò áûòü î÷åíü äàæå èíòåðåñíî. --- Êàòåðèíà
Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
| ellenna Êàëóãà Ñîîáùåíèé: 371 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2007 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 2757
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17 ôåâðàëÿ 2014 20:44 Ðàçúÿñíèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà: îòïðàâèëà raw data íà Gedmatch, âñå èõ ïîìåòèëè çâåçäî÷êàìè. Ïîòîì çâåçäî÷êè ñíÿëè è ÿ ìîãëà ñðàâíèâàòü. Äâå íåäåëè íàçàä çâåçäî÷êè ïîÿâèëèñü îïÿòü. Ýòî îáùàÿ ïðàêòèêà? èëè ÷òî-òî íå òàê? Ñ óâàæåíèåì, ellenna --- Ýëüìàíîâè÷, ×èñòÿêîâ, Ãðàáëèí, Êóäðÿâöåâ, Âèíîãðàäîâ, Óøàêîâ | | |
| kbg_dnepr Äíèïðî (áûâø. Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê) Ñîîáùåíèé: 7049 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4362
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18 ôåâðàëÿ 2014 17:03 18 ôåâðàëÿ 2014 17:04 Ïîëó÷åííûå äàííûå àóòîñîìíîãî òåñòà (àðõèâèðîâàííûé ôàéë raw data) õîðîøî áû îòîñëàòü àìåðèêàíñêîìó ïðîôåññîðó ÌàêÄîíàëäó mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu
Âîçìîæíûé òåêñò:
Dear Professor Mcdonald,
I've got my 23&me results. May I ask you to help me by interpreting them? My ancestors come from ...
Regards --- Êàòåðèíà
Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
Tusia Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 1551 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2011 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 2849 | Íàâåðõ ##
18 ôåâðàëÿ 2014 17:31 À ïðîôåññîðó ìîæíî òîëüêî 23 îòïðàâëÿòü èëè FTDNA òîæå? | | |
| kbg_dnepr Äíèïðî (áûâø. Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê) Ñîîáùåíèé: 7049 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4362
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18 ôåâðàëÿ 2014 19:20 18 ôåâðàëÿ 2014 19:21 --- Êàòåðèíà
Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
Tusia Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 1551 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2011 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 2849 | Íàâåðõ ##
20 ôåâðàëÿ 2014 21:31 Âñòðåòèëà â îïèñè íåêîòîðûå äåëà ñ òàêèì íàçâàíèåì: Äåëî î íàñèëüñòâåííîì çàêðåïîùåíèè âîåííîïëåííûõ øâåäîâ
È íåìíîãî ñòàëî ïîíÿòíî, îòêóäà áåðóòñÿ øâåäñêèå, àíãëèéñêèå êîðíè. | | Ëàéê (1) |
Åëåíà Àëåêñàíäðîâíà Ñîîáùåíèé: 1649 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 1164 | Íàâåðõ ##
21 ôåâðàëÿ 2014 13:13 Àíãëè÷àíå è Øâåäû - ïëåìåíà íåìöåâ. Ïîòîì è íåìöû â ýòíîêàëüêóëÿòîðå ïîÿâëÿþòñÿ ó íàðîäà ñ êðåïîñòíûìè â ðîäîñëîâíîé --- U5a1d2a.ô-èè: Êîðîòêåâè÷, Ìèõàëåíêî,Ìèíåíêî, Êîøëà÷åâ, Õîëîäîê, Áåëÿíñêèé (Êóáàíü); Ïðàâèêîâ (Ìîñêâà è Ðÿçàíü - Ñïàññêèé ìåùàíèí); Äðîáûøåâñêèé (Øåïîòîâè÷è, ×å÷åðñê); Áåëàðóñü: Êàðòóí, Àíöóê, Åíæèåâñêèé, Åíäðæèåâñêèé, Ñóêà÷, Ìåëåøêåâè÷, Ëîìàêî, Áîéêà÷åâ, Êóð÷èöêèé, Ùóðà, Ãàëÿêåâè÷. | | |
Svetlana Riga, Latvia Ñîîáùåíèé: 559 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2003 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 269 | Íàâåðõ ##
25 ôåâðàëÿ 2014 14:58 ðàçáèðàþñü ÿ ïîòõîíüêó ñ àóòîñîìíûì òåñòîì. Âûÿâèëà ó îïðåäåëåííûõ ñîâïàäåíöåâ ñîâïàäåíèå íà îïðåäåëåííîé õðîìîñîìå - åñòü 5-ðî íà 2-é, 4-ðî íà 9-é è 3-å íà 14-é Îáúÿñåíèòå ÷òî çíà÷èò ñîâïàäåíèå íà îïðåäåëåííîì íîìåðå õðîìîñîìû? èëè îòîøëèòå ãäå ïî÷èòàòü --- Èùó
Ñòðåïóõîâûõ, Êóïëåíêî, Áåçðó÷êî – Ðîñòîâñêàÿ îáëàñòü
Çàâüÿëîâûõ – Âëàäèìèðñêàÿ, Ðÿçàíñêàÿ îáëàñòü
Çóåâûõ, Ãðèãîðüåâûõ, Áèòÿé – Áåëàðóñü, Âÿçüìà, Ñ-Ïåòåðáóðã
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| kbg_dnepr Äíèïðî (áûâø. Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê) Ñîîáùåíèé: 7049 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4362
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25 ôåâðàëÿ 2014 16:29 SvetlanaÑâåòà, Âû æå òåñòèðîâàëèñü íà ÔÒÄÍÀ, âåðíî? Òîãäà ìîé îïûò íà 23ýíäÌè Âàì íå ïîìîæåò, íî, âîçìîæíî, áóäåò ïîëåçåí õîòÿ áû â êà÷åñòâå èëëþñòðàöèè îáùåãî ïðèíöèïà. Åñëè Âû ïîñìîòðèòå íà ñïèñîê ñîâïàäåíöåâ ìîåé òåòè, êîòîðûé ÿ îòñîðòèðîâàëà ïî õðîìîñîìàì è ìåñòó íà÷àëà îáùåãî ñåãìåíòà, òî Âû óâèäèòå, ÷òî áÎëüøàÿ ÷àñòü ñîâïàäåíöåâ ðàñïðåäåëÿåòñÿ íå ðàâíîìåðíî ïî âñåìó ãåíîìó, à ñîáèðàåòñÿ â êó÷êè. ß äóìàþ, ÷òî ýòî êàêèå-òî ýòíîòèïè÷íûå áëîêè. Âîçìîæíî, èìåííî ïî íèì ðàññ÷èòûâàþò (è, äàñò Áîã, â áëèæàéøåå âðåìÿ ðàññ÷èòàþò) íàøè ýòíîïîðòðåòû. ß äóìàþ, èìåííî ïî íèì íà ÃÅÄìýò÷å âûñòðàèâàþò ãèïîòåòè÷åñêèå "ñåìüè". Åñëè, êîíå÷íî, ñîâïàäåíèå â îäíîì ìåñòå. Ïîòîìó ÷òî åñëè âñå 5 ÷åëîâåê, ñîâïàäàþùèå ñ Âàìè íà 5-é õð., ñîâïàäàþò íà ðàçíûõ ìåñòàõ â íåé, òî ýòî íå çíà÷èò ñîâñåì íè÷åãî. Ëè÷íî ìíå òàê êààööà
Ïðèêðåïëåííûé ôàéë (AF_OI_401-17.xlsx, 88250 áàéò)--- Êàòåðèíà
Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
Svetlana Riga, Latvia Ñîîáùåíèé: 559 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2003 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 269 | Íàâåðõ ##
25 ôåâðàëÿ 2014 16:36 âñå ñîâïàäàþò íà ïðàêòè÷åñêè îäèíàêîâîì ðàññòîÿíèè (ìåñòå) --- Èùó
Ñòðåïóõîâûõ, Êóïëåíêî, Áåçðó÷êî – Ðîñòîâñêàÿ îáëàñòü
Çàâüÿëîâûõ – Âëàäèìèðñêàÿ, Ðÿçàíñêàÿ îáëàñòü
Çóåâûõ, Ãðèãîðüåâûõ, Áèòÿé – Áåëàðóñü, Âÿçüìà, Ñ-Ïåòåðáóðã
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Ìîé (Lesla) êàíàë â Òåëåãðàììå, ãäå áóäó ïðîáîâàòü ðàññêàçûâàòü íîâè÷êàì î ïðèìåíåíèè ìåòîäîâ ÄÍÊ-òåñòèðîâàíèÿ â ãåíåàëîãèè - https://t.me/gen_gen25