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Âàëåíòèíà, âûñëàë Âàì ëè÷íîå ñîîáùåíèå ïî ïîâîäó ïðîåêòà.
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3 ìàðòà 2007 13:19Gontar Gontar,
Ïðî÷èòàë, ñïàñèáî áîëüøîå çà îòâåò!
Áóäó ðàä ïðîäîëæåíèþ ïåðåñïèñêè. | | |
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24 îêòÿáðÿ 2007 12:19 Dear Friends of SMGF, Äîðîãèå äðóçüÿ SMGF,
SMGF is pleased to announce an official partnership with the latest contributor in the field of genealogy - GeneTree. GeneTree is a new family sharing website that helps extend the concept of family by using the technology of today to enrich the genealogy of the past. By combining the resources of SMGF with modern media sharing utilities, GeneTree will be ground-breaking, not only for SMGF participants, but for the entire field of molecular genealogy. Íàì ïðèÿòíî ñîîáùèòü îá îôèöèàëüíîì ïàðòíåðñòâå ñ Gene Tree – ïîñëåäíèì âêëàä÷èêîì â îáëàñòè ãåíåàëîãèè. Gene Tree íîâûé ñàéò ïî ñåìåéíîìó ïîèñêó, êîòîðûé ïîìîãàåò ðàñïðîñòðàíÿòü êîíöåïöèþ ñåìåé ñ èñïîëüçîâàíèåì ñîâðåìåííûõ òåõíîëîãèé ÷òîáû îáîãàòèòü ãåíåàëîãèþ èç ïðîøëîãî. Êîìáèíèðîâàíèå ðåñóðñîâ SMGF ñ ñîâðåìåííûìè ìåäèà ñëóæáàìè, Gene Tree áóäåò ïðîðûâîì íå òîëüêî äëÿ ó÷àñòíèêîâ SMGF , íî è äëÿ âñåé îáëàñòè ìîëåêóëÿðíîé ãåíåàëîãèè.
In SMGF's eight years of operation, one of our main goals has been to provide useful tools for genetic genealogists. Many participants have expressed a desire for personalized DNA analysis or to communicate with their DNA cousins around the world. We are excited to finally be able to point you to GeneTree as the right place to do just that. Çà âîñåìü ëåò ðàáîòû SMGF îäíîé èç ãëàâíûõ öåëåé áûëî îáåñïå÷èòü èíñòðóìåíòû äëÿ ãåíåòè÷åñêîé ãåíåàëîãèè. Ìíîãèå ó÷àñòíèêè âûðàçèëè æåëàíèå î ïåðñîíàëüíîì ÄÍÊ àíàëèçå èëè ñâÿçè ñ èõ ÄÍÊ êóçåíàìè ïî âñåìó ìèðó. Íàì âîëíèòåëüíî íàêîíåö áûòü ñïîñîáíûìè óêàçàòü âàì íà Gene Tree êàê âåðíîå ìåñòî, ÷òîáû ñäåëàòü ýòî ñåé÷àñ.
GeneTree is packed with great resources for users including: Gene Tree ñîäåðæèò îãðîìíûå ðåñóðñû äëÿ ïîëüçîâàòåëåé âêëþ÷àÿ:
Social networking capabilities enabling individuals and families to connect Îáùåñòâåííûå ñåòåâûå âîçìîæíîñòè, ÷òîáû ñâÿçàòü èíâèäóóìîâ è ñåìüè Media sharing tools where pictures, video and other media can be posted and shared Ìåäèà èíñòðóìåíòû, ãäå ôîòîãðàôèè, âèäåî è äðóãèå ìåäèà ìîãóò áûòü ïîñëàíû è ðàçäåëåíû ñ äðóãèìè. Resources for DNA analysis and interpretation Ðåñóðñû äëÿ ÄÍÊ àíàëèçîâ è èíòåðïðåòàöèé. Ability to contact other users with matching DNA and genealogies Âîçìîæíîñòü êîíòàêòîâ ñ äðóãèìè ïîëüçîâàòåëÿìè ñ òåñòèðîâàííîé ÄÍÊ è ãåíåàëîãèåé Innovative tools to help users discover probable migration patterns for their ancient ancestors Íîâûå èíñòðóìåíòû, ÷òîáû ïîìî÷ü ïîëüçîâàòåëÿì èññëåäîâàòü âîçìîæíûå ìèãðàöèè ñâîèõ ïðåäêîâ. The opportunity to receive a DNA profile quickly and for a low price Âîçìîæíîñòü ïîëó÷èòü ÄÍÊ ïðîôèëü áûñòðî è çà íèçêóþ öåíó.
We encourage you to set up a free account at GeneTree (www.genetree.com) and explore all the extraordinary features this new site has to offer. In the near future, past SMGF participants* will be able to receive their personalized DNA results through their GeneTree accounts, by paying a small processing fee. Stay tuned for more details in an upcoming email and watch for a posting on the SMGF website. Ìû ïðåäîñòàâëÿåì âàì áåñïëàòíûé äîñòóï íà GENE TREE (www.genetree.com) è ïðåäëàãàåì èññëåäîâàòü âñå ýêñòðàîðäèíàðíûå õàðàêòåðèñòèêè ýòîãî íîâîãî ñàéòà.  áëèæàéøåì áóäóùåì ó÷àñòíèêè SMGF ïðîåêòà, êîòîðûå óæå ñäàëè ñâîè ñòàðòîâûå íàáîðû, ñìîãóò ïîëó÷èòü ñâîè ïåðñîíàëüíûå ÄÍÊ ðåçóëüòàòû ÷åðåç ñâîé äîñòóï íà GENETREE, çàïëàòèâ ìàëåíüêèé âçíîñ. Îæèäàéòå íîâûõ ñîîáùåíèé ÷åðåç ýëåêòðîííóþ ïî÷òó è ñìîòðèòå ñîîáùåíèÿ íà ñàéòå SMGF.
SMGF, as well as GeneTree, take great care in protecting your confidentiality. While SMGF provides GeneTree the ability to search our premier databases, all DNA and pedigree information are anonymously linked and therefore not associated with your personal information nor that of your living relatives. SMGF will not give personalized information to GeneTree without your explicit consent. SMGF, not GeneTree, will verify your past participation, and your DNA analysis results will be made available to you through your personal GeneTree account. Your data will not be made available without your request. If you have questions, contact SMGF at 1-800-344-7643 or info@smgf.org. SMGF, à òàêæå GeneTRee çàáîòÿòñÿ î ñîõðàíåíèè âàøåé êîíôèäåíöèàëüíîñòè. Õîòÿ SMGF îáåñïå÷èâàåò GeneTree âîçìîæíîñòü ïîèñêà ïî ïåðâè÷íûì áàçàì äàííûõ, âñå ÄÍÊ è ðîäîñëîâíàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ àíîíèìíî ñâÿçàíû è ïîýòîìó íå ñâÿçàíû ñ âàøåé ïåðñîíàëüíîé èíôîðìàöèåé íè ñ âàøèìè æèâûìè ðîäñòâåííèêàìè. SMGF íå áóäåò äàâàòü ïåðñîíàëüíóþ èíôîðìàöèþ â Gene Tree áåç âàøåãî ïîëîæèòåëüíîãî ñîãëàñèÿ. SMGF, íå GeneTree, áóäåò ïðîâåðÿòü âàøå ïðåäûäóùåå ó÷àñòèå, è âàø ÄÍÊ àíàëèç áóäåò äîñòóïåí âàì ÷åðåç ïåðñîíàëüíûé äîñòóï íà GeneTree. Âàøè äàííûå íå áóäóò äîñòóïíû áåç âàøåãî çàïðîñà. Åñëè ó âàñ åñòü âîïðîñû, êîíòàêòèðóéòå ñ SMGF 1-800-344-7643 èëè info@smgf.org. We are confident that you will appreciate the benefits of this partnership. Enjoy using the new tools! Ìû íàäååìñÿ, ÷òî âû îöåíèòå ïðåèìóùåñòâà âàøåãî ó÷àñòèÿ. Èñïîëüçóéòå ñ óäîâîëüñòâèåì íîâûå èíñòðóìåíòû.
Sincerely, The SMGF Team
*Past participants qualify if they have: Ó÷àñòíèêè áóäóò êâàëèôèöèðîâàíû, åñëè îíè
Requested a kit prior to October 22, 2007 Çàïðîñèëè ñòàðòîâûå íàáîðû äî 22 îêòÿáðÿ 2007 ãîäà Returned that kit prior to November 22, 2007 îòïðàâèëè ñâîè îáðàçöû äî 22 íîÿáðÿ 2007 ãîäà --- Val
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25 îêòÿáðÿ 2007 19:48óñëóãè þðèñòîâ ïî óñòàíîâëåíèþ ðîäñòâà Õî÷ó ñîîáùèòü àäðåñ þðèäè÷åñêîé ôèðìû. www.ulc.ru. Ãåíåòè÷åñêàÿ ýêñïåðòèçà, àíàëèç ÄÍÊ, òåñò ÄÍÊ, óñòàíîâëåíèå ðîäñòâà ïî ÄÍÊ Â ýòîì ðàçäåëå ïðåäñòàâëåíû íàøè óñëóãè ïî ïðîâåäåíèþ ãåíåòè÷åñêîé ýêñïåðòèçû. ÄÍÊ òåñò îáû÷íî âûïîëíÿåòñÿ ïðè ãåíåòè÷åñêîé ýêñïåðòèçå îòöîâñòâà äëÿ íàçíà÷åíèÿ àëèìåíòîâ èëè óñòàíîâëåíèè ðîäñòâà ñ öåëüþ ïîëó÷åíèÿ ïðàâ ðîäñòâåííèêà, â òîì ÷èñëå ïðàâ íàñëåäíèêà ïðè íàñëåäîâàíèè èìóùåñòâà.
Ñðåäíÿÿ öåíà: 21 000 ð.
Öåíà ìåíüøå ïðîáëåìû Óñòàíîâëåíèå îòöîâñòâà/ìàòåðèíñòâà ïî ÄÍÊ 21 000 ð. çàêàçàòü >> Óñòàíîâëåíèå áëèçêîãî ðîäñòâà (äåäóøêà, áàáóøêà, äÿäÿ, ò¸òÿ, ïëåìÿííèê, ïëåìÿííèöà) 39 000 ð. çàêàçàòü >> Óñòàíîâëåíèå äâîþðîäíîãî ðîäñòâà (äâîþðîäíûé áðàò/ñåñòðà) 41 000 ð. çàêàçàòü >> Ðîäíîé/ñâîäíûé áðàò/ñåñòðà 36 000 ð. çàêàçàòü >> Áëèçíåöîâûé òåñò 21 000 ð. çàêàçàòü >> Òåñòèðîâàíèå Y-Õðîìîñîìû 14 000 ð. çàêàçàòü >> Àíàëèç ìèòîõîíäðèàëüíîé ÄÍÊ 15 000 ð. çàêàçàòü >> [ on-line! ] Óñòíàÿ êîíñóëüòàöèÿ ïî óñòàíîâëåíèþ ðîäñòâà 700 ð. çàêàçàòü >> [ on-line! ] Ïèñüìåííàÿ êîíñóëüòàöèÿ ïî óñòàíîâëåíèþ ðîäñòâà 1 400 ð. çàêàçàòü >>
 ðàçâèòûõ ñòðàíàõ òåñò ÄÍÊ äåëàþò äëÿ ñïîêîéñòâèÿ îòöà. Åãî òàê è íàçûâàþò «Òåñò äëÿ ñïîêîéñòâèÿ îòöà». Ê ñâåäåíèþ ñîîáùèì, ÷òî â Âåëèêîáðèòàíèè êàæäûé äâàäöàòûé ìóæ÷èíà âîñïèòûâàåò íå ñâîåãî ðåáåíêà.
Ãåíåòè÷åñêàÿ ýêñïåðòèçà (àíàëèç ÄÍÊ, òåñò ÄÍÊ) íàçíà÷àåòñÿ ïî ðåøåíèþ ñóäà èëè ïðîâîäèòñÿ âî âíåñóäåáíîì äîáðîâîëüíîì ïîðÿäêå. Àíàëèç ÄÍÊ íèêàê íå ïðîòèâîðå÷èò íîðìàì Ñåìåéíîãî êîäåêñà è íîðìàì íðàâñòâåííîñòè. Íàø ìíîãîëåòíèé îïûò ïî ïðîâåäåíèþ ãåíåòè÷åñêîé ýêñïåðòèçû è ñîâðåìåííûå äîñòèæåíèÿ íàóêè â îáëàñòè ìîëåêóëÿðíî-áèîëîãè÷åñêîãî àíàëèçà ÄÍÊ ïîçâîëÿþò íàøèì êëèåíòàì ïîëó÷àòü ðåçóëüòàòû, èñêëþ÷àþùèå îøèáêè è ëþáûå íåáëàãîïðèÿòíûå ïîñëåäñòâèÿ. Âåðîÿòíîñòüþ îøèáêè ïðè íàøåé ãåíåòè÷åñêîé ýêñïåðòèçå ìîæíî ïðåíåáðå÷ü, ïîñêîëüêó òî÷íîñòü àíàëèçîâ ÄÍÊ íà ïîðÿäîê âûøå òîé, êîòîðàÿ òðåáóåòñÿ ðîññèéñêèì çàêîíîäàòåëüñòâîì äëÿ ïîëíîãî è áåçîãîâîðî÷íîãî óñòàíîâëåíèÿ ðîäñòâà.
Ñïîñîáû ïîëó÷åíèÿ ãåíåòè÷åñêîãî ìàòåðèàëà äëÿ òåñòà ÄÍÊ ïðèìåíÿþòñÿ ðàçëè÷íûå.  íàøåì ñëó÷àå ãåíåòè÷åñêàÿ ýêñïåðòèçà àáñîëþòíî áåçîïàñíà, áåñêðîâíà, áåçáîëåçíåííà è óäîáíà. Äëÿ ãåíåòè÷åñêîé ýêñïåðòèçû ìû èñïîëüçóåì ýïèòåëèé ñ âíóòðåííåé ïîâåðõíîñòè ùåêè, ÷àñòèöû ñëèçèñòîé îáîëî÷êè è ñëþíû. Ãåíåòè÷åñêèé ìàòåðèàë äëÿ àíàëèçà ÄÍÊ ìîæåò áûòü âçÿò â íàøåì îôèñå èëè ïðÿìî ó Âàñ äîìà, åñëè Âû îãðàíè÷åíû âî âðåìåíè èëè ïðîæèâàåòå â äðóãèõ ðåãèîíàõ Ðîññèè. Ìàçîê âûïîëíÿåòñÿ ñïåöèàëüíûìè ñðåäñòâàìè è ïî íàøåé èíñòðóêöèè, êîòîðóþ ìû âûñûëàåì Âàì ïðè çàêàçå ó íàñ ãåíåòè÷åñêîé ýêñïåðòèçû. Ñàì ïðîöåññ èññëåäîâàíèÿ ãåíåòè÷åñêîãî ìàòåðèàëà ïðîèñõîäèò â îäíîì èç ëó÷øèõ èññëåäîâàòåëüñêèõ öåíòðîâ Ëîíäîíà. Àíàëèç ÄÍÊ âûïîëíÿþò äâå íåçàâèñèìûå äðóã îò äðóãà ýêñïåðòíûå ãðóïïû. Ðåçóëüòàòû ñâåðÿþòñÿ è âûñûëàþòñÿ íàì ïî ýëåêòðîííîé ïî÷òå â òå÷åíèå 17 äíåé. Äëÿ ïîëó÷åíèÿ ïîäëèííûõ äîêóìåíòîâ î ðåçóëüòàòàõ ãåíåòè÷åñêîé ýêñïåðòèçû íóæíî ïîäîæäàòü 21 äåíü.
Íà ðóêè Âû ïîëó÷àåòå îôèöèàëüíûå äîêóìåíòû, ïîäòâåðæäàþùèå ðåçóëüòàòû ãåíåòè÷åñêîé ýêñïåðòèçû, êîòîðûå ñòàíóò â ñóäå ñàìûì óáåäèòåëüíûì àðãóìåíòîì. --- Èùó ëþáûõ Ìþðàò (Ðîññèÿ è ÑÍÃ, (îñîáåííî ã.Áðîííèöû), Ôåðå,Ãîñèí, æèòåëÿõ ñåëà Òðîèöå-Çîòîâî Ìîñê.ãóá. (Îðëîâû, Ãóñüêîâû); âûïóñêíèêàõ Áåëîñòîêñêîãî ðåàëüíîãî ó÷èëèùà 1913-1916 ãã.,, ïðåäêîâ Ñåðã. Èîñèô. Ôðîëîâà (Ñàðàò. ãóá.) | | |
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2 äåêàáðÿ 2007 18:21 2 äåêàáðÿ 2007 18:23 Äëÿ íà÷àëà öèòàòû èç ñòàòüè îäíîãî èç ëó÷øèõ ïîïóëÿðèçàòîðîâ ÄÍÊ ãåíåàëîãèè Àíàòîëèÿ Êëåñîâà: «Ìóæñêîé» ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèé àíàëèç, èëè îïðåäåëåíèå ãàïëîòèïà, ìîæíî ïðîâîäèòü ïî îïðåäåëåííîìó íàáîðó ìàðêåðîâ. Ðåçóëüòàò äàñò âàì âîçìîæíîñòü íàéòè ñâîèõ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ, èìåþùèõ îäíîãî îáùåãî ïðåäêà, è îöåíèòü, íàñêîëüêî ýòîò íàø îáùèé ïðåäîê óäàëåí âî âðåìåíè. Ìàñøòàá óäàëåíèÿ – ñîòíè ëåò, òûñÿ÷è, äåñÿòêè òûñÿ÷ ëåò, â çàâèñèìîñòè îò «ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîé äèñòàíöèè». ...
×åì áîëåå èçîëèðîâàíà ãðóïïà – òåì áîëåå õàðàêòåðíà è ÷åòêà ãàïëîãðóïïà. Íî äàæå è ïðè ïåðåìåøèâàíèè ãðóïï íàñåëåíèÿ ãàïëîãðóïïû äîñòàòî÷íî ëåãêî ïðîñëåæèâàþòñÿ, ïîñêîëüêó îòðàæàþò ãàïëîòèïû íàøèõ äàëåêèõ ïðåäêîâ, æèâøèõ òûñÿ÷åëåòèÿ íàçàä. Òî åñòü ëþäè ïåðåìåøàëèñü, à èõ ãàïëîòèïû – íåò. Îíè, ïîâòîðÿþ, íåèçáåæíî ïåðåäàþòñÿ èç ïîêîëåíèÿ â ïîêîëåíèå. Òàê ÷òî äîáàâèì ê íàøåìó «ïðîìåæóòî÷íîìó èòîãó» – ïîìèìî âîçìîæíîñòåé íàéòè ðîäñòâåííèêîâ ïî ïðÿìîé íèñõîäÿùåé ìóæñêîé ëèíèè è îöåíèòü, ïðèìåðíî êîãäà æèë íàø îáùèé ñ íàéäåííûì ðîäñòâåííèêîì ïðåäîê – åùå âîçìîæíîñòü íàéòè, ê êàêîé èñòîðè÷åñêîé îáùíîñòè ëþäåé, ê êàêèì ïëåìåíàì îòíîñèëèñü íàøè ïðåäêè.
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Çäåñü – âàæíîå îòñòóïëåíèå. Ìóæ÷èíû ïîëó÷àþò ñâîè ìèòîõîíäðèè îò ìàìû, íî ñâîèì ñûíîâüÿì íå ïåðåäàþò. Ïîýòîìó ìèòîõîíäðèàëüíàÿ ÄÍÊ íà êàæäîì ìóæ÷èíå òåðìèíèðóåòñÿ (ïðåêðàùàåòñÿ). Íåò äåâî÷åê â ðîäó – ìèòÄÍÊ òåðìèíèðîâàëàñü íà ìàëü÷èêàõ, ñâÿçü ýòîé ëèíèè ñ ïðàìàòåðüþ («Åâîé») ïîòåðÿëàñü. Íåò ìàëü÷èêîâ â ðîäó – òåðìèíèðîâàëàñü Y-õðîìîñîìà, ïîòåðÿëàñü ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêàÿ ñâÿçü ñ ïðàîòöîì («Àäàì»). Íåò äåòåé – ïîëíàÿ òåðìèíàöèÿ ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîé èíôîðìàöèè îò îòöà ñ ìàòåðüþ. Íî êàæäûé ìóæ÷èíà èìååò ìèòÄÍÊ, è åå àíàëèç äàåò òàêóþ æå ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêóþ èíôîðìàöèþ, êàê è àíàëèç ìèòÄÍÊ åãî ìàòåðè èëè ñåñòðû. Àíàëè÷èå òàêîé èíôîðìàöèè, ïîâòîðÿþ – ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèé «ïðîñòðåë» ê ïðàðîäèòåëÿì – äåñÿòêè, à òî è áîëüøå ñîòíè òûñÿ÷ ëåò íàçàä, êàê ê «Åâå» (ìèòÄÍÊ), òàê è ê «Àäàìó» (Y-õðîìîñîìà), ïëþñ èíôîðìàöèîííîå áîãàòñòâî âñåõ ìóòàöèé íà èñòîðè÷åñêîì ïóòè.
Çäåñü íàäî îïÿòü ïîâòîðèòü, ÷òî «ìèòîõîíäðèàëüíàÿ Åâà» – ýòî âîâñå íå ïåðâàÿ æåíùèíà, à áëèæàéøàÿ ïî âðåìåíè ïðàðîäèòåëüíèöà âñåõ æåíùèí íà Çåìëå. Òà, ê êîòîðîé ñõîäÿòñÿ ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèå íèòè îò âñåõ æèâóùèõ íà ïëàíåòå. Åå ìàìà – íå áëèæàéøèé ïðàðîäèòåëü, åñëè ó ìàìû áûëà òîëüêî îäíà äî÷ü – «Åâà». Òàê ÷òî ó «Åâû» åùå îäèí îãðàíè÷èòåëüíûé ïðèçíàê – ó íåå äîëæíî áûëî áûòü ïî ìåíüøåé ìåðå äâå äî÷åðè. ×òîáû îò Åâû è ïîøåë òîò ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèé «ðàçáåã», â èòîãå ïîðîäèâøèé âñå ÷åëîâå÷åñòâî. Ïîäðóãè Åâû íå ñòàëè ïðàðîäèòåëÿìè ÷åëîâå÷åñêîãî ðîäà, à òàêæå íå ñòàëè òå, êòî æèëè âîêðóã, èëè â îòäàëåíèè, òûñÿ÷è è äåñÿòêè òûñÿ÷, à òî è ñîòíè òûñÿ÷ ëåò äî «Åâû». Èõ ïîòîìñòâî íå îñòàâèëî ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèõ ñëåäîâ â æèâóùèõ â íàñòîÿùåå âðåìÿ íà Çåìëå. © Îðèãèíàë ìîæíî ïðî÷èòàòü òóò è çäåñü (ïðîäîëæåíèå)Íà ñåãîäíÿøíèé äåíü ìíîãèå êîìïàíèè ïðîâîäÿò òåñòû ïî Y-DNA è ïî mt-DNA. Ïðèçíàíûì ëèäåðîì ÿâëÿåòñÿ FamilyTreeDNA. Íî òåñòû ýòè ïëàòíûå. Ñóùåñòâóåò, ïîæàëóé, îäíà êîìïàíèÿ, ôîíä Ñîðåíñîíà , ïðîâîäÿùàÿ òåñòû áåñïëàòíî. Ïîäðîáíî åå äåÿòåëüíîñòü îáñóæäàåòñÿ òóò. | | |
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3 äåêàáðÿ 2007 14:59 3 äåêàáðÿ 2007 15:00 GenForschGenForsch íàïèñàë: [q] Gontar ß õîòåë áû ñïðîñèòü: ïîëó÷åíû ëè äîêàçàòåëüñòâà íà òåìó î ïðîèñõîæäåíèè àìåðèêàíñêèõ èíäåéöåâ îò åâðååâ? [/q]
Íó, êîãäà èõ îïóáëèêóþò, òîãäà è áóäåì îáñóæäàòü. À ðàíåå íèêòî ýòî îáñóæäàòü íå áóäåò - çàêîíû íàó÷íîãî ñîîáùåñòâà. --- Val
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13 äåêàáðÿ 2007 15:45 16 äåêàáðÿ 2007 21:27 Óâàæàåìàÿ Gontar!
Ïûòàþñü íàéòè îòâåòû íà ñâîè âîïðîñû ïî ôîðóìó, íî âñå æå õî÷åòñÿ óòî÷íèòü: - ìîæíî ëè ñåé÷àñ ïðîâåñòè àíàëèç â çàðóáåæíîé êîìïàíèè? -Ñîðåíñîí ïðîåêò ïðåäîñòàâëÿåò ðåçóëüòàòû òåñòîâ ñâîèì ó÷àñòíèêàì?
ß çíàþ ñâîþ ðîäîñëîâíóþ áîëåå 10 êîëåí (ïî ìóæñêîé ëèíèè) è çíàþ ðîäîñëîâíóþ äðóãîãî ðîäà äî òîãî æå âðåìåíè èç òîé æå ìåñòíîñòè. Åñòü îñíîâàíèÿ ïðåäïîëàãàòü, ÷òî ó íàñ èìåëñÿ îáùèé áëèçêèé ïðåäîê. Íàñêîëüêî âåðîÿòíî ïîäòâåðäèòü / îïðîâåðãíóòü äàííîå ïðåäïîëîæåíèå è êàêîé àíàëèç íåîáõîäèìî ïðîâåñòè. Íàñêîëüêî áîëåå âàæíî ïðèâëåêàòü ðîäñòâåííèêîâ áîëåå ñòàðøèõ ïîêîëåíèé?
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17 äåêàáðÿ 2007 16:18 AnatolijÌîæíî. Äà, ïðåäîñòàâëÿåò- â âèäå http://www.smgf.org/ychromosome/search.jspx ïîìåùåííîãî â áàçó äàííûõ ðåçóëüòàòà. Èëè, åñëè âàì íóæåí ñåðòèôèêàò, òî òîãäà ñî ñêèäêîé äëÿ ó÷àñòíèêà ïðîåêòà è áóäåò ýòî ñòîèòü 95$. Íà ñàéòå âñå îáúÿñíåíèÿ åñòü www.smgf.org Ñ óâàæåíèåì Â.È. --- Val
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