ÐÃÈÀ. Ôîíä 1343 - Äâîðÿíå

Íà 13 èþëÿ 2020 ã. â ïîèñêîâóþ ñèñòåìó ÐÃÈÀ âíåñåíû çàãîëîâêè 2 221 100 åäèíèö õðàíåíèÿ, ÷òî ñîñòàâëÿåò ïðèìåðíî 34% îáùåãî êîëè÷åñòâà. Èññëåäîâàòåëÿì äîñòóïíû â ýëåêòðîííîì âèäå 331 230 äåë, ñêàíû êîòîðûõ â êîëè÷åñòâå 33 790 652 ðàçìåùåíû â ÁÄ ïîèñêîâîé ñèñòåìû ÐÃÈÀ - ÊÀÈÑÀ.

 áóìàæíîì êàòàëîãå ÷óòü áîëåå 2 ìèëëèîíîâ êàðòî÷åê.

Ïðèâåò
ß õîòåë áû ïîïðîñèòü âàøåé ïîìîùè â ïîèñêå äîêóìåíòîâ ìîèõ ïðåäêîâ â ÐÃÈÀ.
Ôàêòû:
1. ß äîáðàëñÿ äî äîêóìåíòà LVIA: https://tiny.pl/75ctq
Ïîñëåäíèé ïóíêò, ñîäåðæàùèé ññûëêè íà êîíêðåòíûå äîêóìåíòû è äàòû, ïðåäñòàâëÿåòñÿ îñîáåííî èíòðèãóþùèì.

2. ß äîáðàëñÿ äî ñïèñêà äåë, êàñàþùèõñÿ Âàñèëåâñêèñà: https://tiny.pl/75cth

Ïðåäëàãàÿ 1859 ãîä è Âèëüíþññêóþ/Êîâåíñêóþ ãóáåðíèè, ÿ áûë óáåæäåí, ÷òî íàéäó ñâîèõ ïðåäêîâ â äåëå 444. Îäíàêî âûÿñíèëîñü, ÷òî ýòî ñîâåðøåííî äðóãîé ðîä Âàñèëåâñêèõ (äàæå äðóãîé ãåðá).
Âòîðûì ïî ïðàâäèâîñòè êàçàëñÿ ñëó÷àé 451, íî ýòî òîæå äðóãàÿ ñåìüÿ.

Ãäå ÿ ìîãó ïîñìîòðåòü äàëüøå? Íà êàêèå ñëó÷àè ñòîèò îáðàòèòü âíèìàíèå?
Èìåþòñÿ ëè ãäå-íèáóäü äåêðåòû Ãåðîëüäà (âîçìîæíî, âû ìîãëè áû óâèäåòü òî, ÷òî íàïèñàíî ïîä íîìåðîì 10944 îò 30.11.1859)?
Äîñòóïíà ëè ãäå-íèáóäü óïîìÿíóòàÿ "Ïåðâàÿ ÷àñòü Êíèãè Äðåâíèõ"? Çíàÿ äàòó âúåçäà, ìîæíî ëè ÷òî-íèáóäü íàéòè?

Çàðàíåå ñïàñèáî çà ïîìîùü.
Àäàì
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Hi
I'd like to ask for your help in searching for my ancestors' documents in the RGIA.
The facts:
1. I got to the LVIA document: https://tiny.pl/75ctq
The last paragraph, containing references to specific documents and dates, seems particularly intriguing.

2. I have reached the list of cases concerning Vasilevskis: https://tiny.pl/75cth.

Suggesting the year 1859 and the Vilnius/Kowno Governorates, I was convinced that I would find my ancestors in the case 444. However, it turned out that this is a completely different family of Wasilewski family (even a different coat of arms).
The second in terms of truthfulness seemed to be case 451, but it is also a different family.

Where can I look further? Which cases to look at?
Are the Herold's decrees available somewhere (perhaps you could see what is written under number 10944 of 30.11.1859)?
Is the mentioned "First Part of the Book of Progeny" available somewhere? Knowing the date of entry, would anything be possible to find?

Thank you in advance for your help
Adam

adamrw íàïèñàë:

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Èìåþòñÿ ëè ãäå-íèáóäü äåêðåòû Ãåðîëüäà (âîçìîæíî, âû ìîãëè áû óâèäåòü òî, ÷òî íàïèñàíî ïîä íîìåðîì 10944 îò 30.11.1859)?

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Ýòî ìîæíî óâèäåòü â îïðåäåëåíèÿõ Äåïàðòàìåíòà Ãåðîëüäèè Ïðàâèòåëüñòâóþùåãî Ñåíàòà, õðàíÿùèõñÿ â ÐÃÈÀ, ôîíä 1343, îïèñü 52.
Ïðåäïîëîæèòåëüíî â äåëå 1019
Êðàéíèå äàòû 23-30 íîÿáðÿ 1859 ã.


adamrw íàïèñàë:

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Ïðåäëàãàÿ 1859 ãîä è Âèëüíþññêóþ/Êîâåíñêóþ ãóáåðíèè, ÿ áûë óáåæäåí, ÷òî íàéäó ñâîèõ ïðåäêîâ â äåëå 444. Îäíàêî âûÿñíèëîñü, ÷òî ýòî ñîâåðøåííî äðóãîé ðîä Âàñèëåâñêèõ (äàæå äðóãîé ãåðá).
Âòîðûì ïî ïðàâäèâîñòè êàçàëñÿ ñëó÷àé 451, íî ýòî òîæå äðóãàÿ ñåìüÿ.

Ãäå ÿ ìîãó ïîñìîòðåòü äàëüøå? Íà êàêèå ñëó÷àè ñòîèò îáðàòèòü âíèìàíèå?

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Âñå äåëà Âàñèëåâñêèõ Âèëåíñêîé è Êîâåíñêîé ãóáåðíèè (ÐÃÈÀ, ôîíä 1343, îïèñü 18, äåëà ¹¹ 438...451, 471) ìèêðîôèëüìèðîâàíû, Èõ ìîæíî ïðîñìîòðåòü çà îäèí äåíü â ÷èòàëüíîì çàëå è, ïðè íåîáõîäèìîñòè, ïåðåôîòîãðàôèðîâàòü.

LeonidZhuckoff íàïèñàë:

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ß èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î ñâî¸ì äàë¸êîì ïðåäêå Äìèòðèè Èâàíîâè÷å Ëåáëå, çíàþ ÷òî îí ïðîæèâàë âî Âëàäèìèðñêîé ãóáåðíèè.

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 ÐÃÈÀ åñòü äâà äâîðÿíñêèõ äåëà Ëåáëå:
- ÐÃÈÀ, ôîíä 1343, îïèñü 24, äåëî 1012, 1871 ãîä, Âëàäèìèðñêîé ãóáåðíèè;
- ÐÃÈÀ, ôîíä 1343, îïèñü 24, äåëî 1013, 1887 ãîä, Íèæåãîðîäñêîé ãóáåðíèè.

Äîáðûé äåíü,
ÿ èùó äåëî î äâîðÿíñòâå ìîèõ ïðåäêîâ Øàøèíûõ. Íàøëà â Ô1343, Î33, ä647 óïîìèíàíèå î òàêîé ôàìèëèè.
ß ïðàâèëüíî ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî åñëè íå óêàçàíî êîëè÷åñòâî ëèñòîâ â äåëå, òî èõ òàì ïðåäïîëîæèòåëüíî î÷åíü ìíîãî?
ß çíàþ, ÷òî â 1860õ Øàøèíû æèëè â Åíèñåéñêîé ãóáåðíèè, íî íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíèìàþ, òàì íå áûëî êðåïîñòíîãî ïðàâà è ñîîòâåòñòâåííî ìåñòíûõ äâîðÿí òîæå. Òîëüêî ïðèåçæèå.
Òî åñòü èñêàòü ïî ñïèñêàì ãóáåðíèé, áåç ïîíèìàíèÿ îòêóäà îíè èçíà÷àëüíî ðîäîì áåññìûñëåííî?
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