Íàðèñóéòå ñâîå äðåâî. Áåñïëàòíî. Îíëàéí.   [õ]
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Íà ñàéòå ÂÃÄ ñîáèðàþòñÿ ëþäè, óâëå÷åííûå ãåíåàëîãèåé, èñòîðèåé, ãåðàëüäèêîé è ò.ä. Çäåñü âû íàéäåòå ñîáåñåäíèêîâ, ýêñïåðòîâ, óìåëûõ ïîìîùíèêîâ â ïîèñêàõ ïðåäêîâ è ðîäñòâåííèêîâ. Âàì ïîäñêàæóò ãäå èñêàòü äîêóìåíòû î ïàâøèõ â áîÿõ è ïðîïàâøèõ áåç âåñòè, â êàêîé àðõèâ îáðàòèòüñÿ ïðè èññëåäîâàíèè ðîäîñëîâíîé ñâîåé ñåìüè, ïîìîãóò îïðåäåëèòü ïî ñòàðîé ôîòîãðàôèè ïðèíàäëåæíîñòü ê âîèíñêèì ÷àñòÿì, âåäîìñòâàì è ÷èíó. ÂÃÄ - ïîèñê ëþäåé â ïðîøëîì, íàñòîÿùåì è áóäóùåì!
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 Ðàçäåëå "Êíèæíàÿ ïîëêà" - https://forum.vgd.ru/394/
ïðåäëàãàþòñÿ äëÿ îçíàêîìëåíèÿ êíèãè, ïóáëèêàöèè è äðóãèå èñòî÷íèêè èíôîðìàöèè ïî òåìàòèêå ýòîãî ðàçäåëà:
https://forum.vgd.ru/398/ - èñòîðèÿ ðåëèãèîçíûõ ó÷åíèé è ó÷ðåæäåíèé;
ñîñëîâèÿ - https://forum.vgd.ru/401/
óêàçàòåëè (àëôàâèòû, ñïèñêè) - https://forum.vgd.ru/406/
ýíöèêëîïåäèè (ñïðàâî÷íèêè, ñëîâàðè) - https://forum.vgd.ru/407/
ïåðèîäèêà - https://forum.vgd.ru/426/
ãîñ. èñòî÷íèêè èíôîðìàöèè: ñïðàâî÷íèêè, ÀÊ, ÏÊ è ïð. - https://forum.vgd.ru/397/
ÏÐÀÂÎÂÎÅ ÐÅÃÓËÈÐÎÂÀÍÈÅ ÄÅßÒÅËÜÍÎÑÒÈ ÊÎÍÔÅÑÑÈÉ Â ÐÎÑÑÈÉÑÊÎÉ ÈÌÏÅÐÈÈ
 ÊÎÍÖÅ XVIII – ÍÀ×ÀËÅ ÕÕ â. Ô. Ì. ÊÓËÈÅÂ

ÍÅ ÍÀÄÎ ÖÈÒÈÐÎÂÀÒÜ 3õ-4õ 5-òè ñòóïåí÷àòûå äèàëîãè! Îòâå÷àéòå íà êîíêðåòíî çàäàííûé âîïðîñ, ïîëüçóéòåñü "êíîïêîé "îòâåòèòü"!
Âñå ñîîáùåíèÿ ñî "ñïàñèáî..." â ðàçíûõ âàðèàíòàõ óäàëÿþòñÿ áåç ñîæàëåíèÿ. Äëÿ áëàãîäàðíîñòåé çà ïîìîùü åñòü ñëåä. îïöèè: ëàéê, + â ðåéòèíã, îòçûâ.
Íå ðåêîìåíäóåòñÿ ñîçäàâàòü ÍÎÂÓÞ òåìó ïî îäíîìó âîïðîñó.

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×àñòíûé ñïåöèàëèñò

Ìåíñê (Áåëàðóñü)
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 Ðîññèè äâîðÿíå èëè äâîðÿíñêèå êîðïîðàöèè íå ìîãëè "ïîäòâåðäèòü" äâîðÿíñòâî. Ýòèì çàíèìàëñÿ Äåïàðòàìåíò Ãåðîëüäèè Ðîññèéñêîé Èìïåðèè, ãîñóäàðñòâåííîå ó÷ðåæäåíèå. Ò.ê. ÐÈ íåò, òî íåò è ÄÃ, ñëåäîâàòåëüíî ïîäòâåðäèòü äâîðÿíñòâî íèêòî íå ìîæåò.

Åñëè âû âñòóïàåòå â äâîðÿíñêóþ îðãàíèçàöèþ, òî îíàÿ ïðèçíàåò âàñ ÷ëåíîì ýòîé äâîðÿíñêîé îðãàíèçàöèè. "Ïîäòâåðäèòü" äâîðÿíñòâî îíà íå ìîæåò ïîñêîëüêó íèêîãäà ðàíåå íå îáëàäàëà òàêîâîé ôóíêöèåé, êðîìå òîãî äâîðÿíñêîå ñîñëîâèå â Ðîññèè îòìåíåíî.

Åñëè âû ÿâëÿåòåñü äâîðÿíèíîì, òî ÿâëÿåòåñü òàêîâûì, ïîñêîëüêó òàêîâûì ÿâëÿåòåñü. Äâîðÿíñòâî (âíå ñîñëîâíîãî äåëåíèÿ îáùåñòâà) ñóùåñòâóþò ïîêà ñóùåñòâóþò ëèöà ñ÷èòàþùèå ñåáÿ òàêîâûìè è çà êîòîðûìè ýòî ïðèçíàåòñÿ äðóãèìè.

Åñëè âàñ çàáîòèò ïðèçíàíèå äðóãèìè ëèöàìè âàñ êàê äâîðÿíèíà, òî âû ìîæåòå: 1) îñòàâàòüñÿ â ñåãîäíÿøíåì âàøåì ñîñòîÿíèè, ò.ê. âû çíàåòå êåì ÿâëÿåòåñü è âàøå îêðóæåíèå çíàåò îá ýòîì; 2) âñòóïèòü â äâîðÿíñêóþ îðãàíèçàöèþ ÷òîáû äðóãèå ëèöà óçíàâ î âàøåì ñòàòóñå ïðèçíàëè âàñ â îíîì.  ñëåäîâàíèè ïîñëåäíåãî ïóíêòà ñëåäóåò óçíàòü ñîãëàñóþòñÿ ëè âàøè ïðèíöèïû è êðèòåðèè ñ àíàëîãè÷íûìè ïðèìåíÿåìûìè ýòîé îðãàíèçàöèåé.

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Èññëåäîâàíèÿ íà çàêàç: Áåëàðóñü (øëÿõòà), Ëèòâà (øëÿõòà), Ëàòâèÿ (øëÿõòà Ëàòãàëèè è Êóðëÿíäèè; êàòîëèêè), Óêðàèíà (øëÿõòà; êàòîëèêè Êèåâùèíû, Âîëûíè, ×åðíèãîâùèíû), Ðîññèÿ (äâîðÿíå; êàòîëèêè).  Ëè÷íûå — òîëüêî çàêàçû.
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Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà

campsis59

Ëàòâèÿ Ðèãà
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Ðåéòèíã: 4532
Ñòàðèíà Ì
http://www.periodika.lv/#searchResults;simpleQuery=%20Bergen
íà íåìåöêîì ÿçûêå
è Òàðòó òîæå.ññûëêà åñòü â òåìå Ëàòâèÿ â èíòåðíåòå
litana

litana

Ðîññèÿ, Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5761
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Ðåéòèíã: 2938
Ñòàðèíà Ì
Âû òàê ëèõî ñêàçàëè, ÷òî ïîèñê ïî ÑÀÀÃà Âàì íè÷åãî íå äàë.
Ýòî òîëüêî, åñëè âû ïîëüçîâàëèñü ïîèñêîì, à ïî íåìó äàëåêî íå âñå íàõîäèòñÿ.
Íå çíàþ, ÷èòàëè âû ó ìåíÿ â ïîëåçíûõ ñîâåòàõ èëè íåò, êàê èñêàòü, íî, åñëè íåò, ïî÷èòàéòå.
Íà÷íèòå ñ Àìáóðãåðà, âíèìàòåëüíî èçó÷èòå ïåðñîíàëüíûå "êàðòî÷êè". Ïîòîì è ïî ÀÈÑè ìîæíî ïîèñêàòü. è óæå êîíêðåòíî ïî ìåòðè÷åñêèì êíèãàì.

Ïîñòîëüêó ïîñêîëüêó ôàìèëèÿ áëèçêàÿ ê òîé, êîòîðîé ÿ çàíèìàþñü, ìîãó ñêàçàòü. ÷òî âñòðå÷àåòñÿ îíà ÷àñòî, è äàííûõ äîñòàòî÷íî ìíîãî.

֏!
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Èùó Åçåðñêèõ,Áóðëå,Øïóðèê,Áåðã,Ñíî,Øåíüÿí
"Ïîëåçíûå" ñîâåòû
ìîé äíåâíèê
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Atkara-EV

Atkara-EV

Î÷åíü ñðåäíåå Ïîâîëæüå
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5892
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2011 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 8870
Ñòàðèíà Ì

Ìèõàèë, áëàãîäàðþ!

Ó÷åíèêîâ íàâèãàöêîé øêîëû ÿ óæå âèäåëà, à âîò äàðñòâåííàÿ Öûáàíîâñêîãî äî÷åðè î÷åíü êñòàòè!
Åùå áû óçíàòü èìÿ ýòîé ñàìîé äî÷åðè! a_003.gif
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Äâîðÿíñòâî è ñâÿùåííîñëóæèòåëè Ñàðàòîâñêîé ãóáåðíèè. Àòêàðñêèé óåçä - èñòîðèÿ, ãåíåàëîãèÿ.
Ñòàðèíà Ì

Ñòàðèíà Ì

Ñàðàòîâñêàÿ îáëàñòü
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Ðåéòèíã: 311
litana

Ñïàñèáî çà ñîâåò.
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Atkara-EV

Atkara-EV

Î÷åíü ñðåäíåå Ïîâîëæüå
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5892
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2011 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 8870
6.08.1828 Äåðåâíè Íèæíåãî Êîëûøëåÿ ó îäíîäâîð÷åñêîé æåíû äâîðÿíêè Ìàâðû Åâòèõîâîé Áîãàòûðåâîé êðåñòüÿíèíà Àâðàìà Ìèòðîôàíîâà ðîäèëñÿ ñûí Ìàêñèì.

Ñ òîãî âðåìåíè, êîãäà Ìàâðà Åâòèõîâà âûøëà çàìóæ çà îäíîäâîðöà, ïðîøëî íå ìåíåå 35 ëåò, îäíàêî îíà ïðîäîëæàëà ïèñàòüñÿ äâîðÿíêîé è ïî-ïðåæíåìó âëàäåëà êðåñòüÿíàìè.

Âîïðîñ: åñëè äâîðÿíñêàÿ äåâèöà âûõîäèëà çàìóæ çà ïðåäñòàâèòåëÿ íèçøåãî ñîñëîâèÿ, òî êàêèå ñîñëîâíûå ïðàâà îíà óòðà÷èâàëà, à êàêèå ñîõðàíÿëà íà âñþ æèçíü? Ïåðåäàâàëèñü ëè êàêèå-òî ïðàâà åå äåòÿì??
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Äâîðÿíñòâî è ñâÿùåííîñëóæèòåëè Ñàðàòîâñêîé ãóáåðíèè. Àòêàðñêèé óåçä - èñòîðèÿ, ãåíåàëîãèÿ.
valcha
Ìîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà
https://forum.vgd.ru/349/

valcha


Ñîîáùåíèé: 25444
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2006 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 21640

Atkara-EV íàïèñàë:
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äâîðÿíñêàÿ äåâèöà âûõîäèëà çàìóæ çà ïðåäñòàâèòåëÿ íèçøåãî ñîñëîâèÿ, òî êàêèå ñîñëîâíûå ïðàâà îíà óòðà÷èâàëà, à êàêèå ñîõðàíÿëà íà âñþ æèçíü? .....
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Ëåêöèÿ II ÈÑÒÎÐÈß ÑÅÌÅÉÍÎÃÎ ÏÐÀÂÀ - Ñåìåéíîå ïðàâî

http://www.pravo.vuzlib.org/book_z1745_page_5.html

Ïî ðîññèéñêîìó çàêîíîäàòåëüñòâó ñîñëîâíîå óðàâíèâàíèå ñóïðóãîâ ïðîèñõîäèò òîëüêî â ñëó÷àÿõ, êîãäà æåíà ïðèíàäëåæèò ê "íèçøåìó ñîñòîÿíèþ", ÷åì ìóæ. À äâîðÿíêà, âûøåäøàÿ, íàïðèìåð, çàìóæ çà ìåùàíèíà, ñâîå äâîðÿíñòâî ñîõðàíÿëà.
èìóùåñòâåííàÿ ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíîñòü æåíû; ïðèíöèï ðàçäåëüíîñòè ñîáñòâåííîñòè ìóæà è æåíû.
Ïðèäàíîå æåíû, à òàêæå èíîå èìóùåñòâî, ïðèîáðåòåííîå åþ â ïåðèîä çàìóæåñòâà ïîñðåäñòâîì êóïëè, äàðà, íàñëåäñòâà è ò. ä., ñ÷èòàëîñü åå îòäåëüíîé ñîáñòâåííîñòüþ.
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Ïëàòíûì ïîèñêîì íå çàíèìàþñü.  ëè÷êå ÍÅ êîíñóëüòèðóþ. Çàäàâàéòå, ïîæ-ñòà, âîïðîñû â ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèõ òåìàõ, âàì òàì îòâåòßÒ.
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Ñòàðèíà Ì

Ñòàðèíà Ì

Ñàðàòîâñêàÿ îáëàñòü
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 ðåâèçèè 1762 ãîäà êðåñòüÿíå çàïèñàíû "ïðåìüåð-ìàéîðà Èâàíà Êðåñòüÿíîâà ñûíà Êðåöìàðÿ", â ñëåäóùåé ðåâèçèè åãî æåíû Ìàðôû Ñåì¸íîâíû Êðåöìàð¸âîé.  èíòåðíåòå âñå ïîèñêîâèêè íà îáà âàðèàíòà íàïèñàíèÿ äàþò îòâåò "âàðèàíòîâ íåò". Êòî-íèáóäü âñòðå÷àë òàêóþ ôàìèëèþ?

P.S. Èâàí Õðèñòèàíîâè÷ ïîêàçàí ïî Ñàðàòîâñêîé ãóáåðíèè.
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Irina Ol

Ñ-Ïåòåðáóðã
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Ñòàðèíà Ì Ïîñêîëüêó îò÷åñòâî Õðèñòèàíîâ çàïèñàíî êàê Êðåñòüÿíîâ, òî è ñ ôàìèëèåé ìîãóò áûòü âàðèàíòû. Ìíå êàæåòñÿ, íàèáîëåå áëèçêè Êðåöìåð, Êðå÷ìàð.

Kretzschmar https://familysearch.org/searc...id=1469151

Robert Ferdinand Kretzschmar
Russia, Lutheran Church Book Duplicates, 1833-1885
birth: 13 Nov 1852 Königreich Sachsen
baptism: 25 Dec 1852 Odessa,​ Odessa,​ Odessa,​ Kherson
parents: Wilhelm Ferdinand Kretzschmar,​ Marie Louise Mahlmann
Carl August Kretzschmar
Russia, Lutheran Church Book Duplicates, 1833-1885
marriage: 14 Jun 1852 Vologda,​ Vologda,​ Vologda,​ Vologda
spouse: Auguste Catharine Hahn
Wilhelm Ferdinand Kretzschmar
Russia, Lutheran Church Book Duplicates, 1833-1885
spouse: Maria Louise Wahlmer
child: Caroline Wilhelmine Kretschmar
Wilhelm Ferdinand Kretzschmar
Russia, Lutheran Church Book Duplicates, 1833-1885
spouse: Marie Louise Mahlmann
child: Robert Ferdinand Kretzschmar
Caroline Wilhelmine Kretschmar
Russia, Lutheran Church Book Duplicates, 1833-1885
birth: 03 Oct 1848
baptism: 17 Oct 1848 Odessa,​ Odessa,​ Odessa,​ Kherson
parents: Wilhelm Ferdinand Kretzschmar,​ Maria Louise Wahlmer
Amalie Mathilde Kretschmar
Russia, Lutheran Church Book Duplicates, 1833-1885
birth: 30 Sep 1850
baptism: 12 Nov 1850 Odessa,​ Odessa,​ Odessa,​ Kherson
parents: Wilhelm Kretschmar,​ Marie Louise Mahlmann
Jenny Charlotte Kretschmar
Russia, Lutheran Church Book Duplicates, 1833-1885
birth: 14 May 1855
baptism: 26 May 1855 St. Petersburg,​ St. Petersburg (St. Michaelis Church),​ St. Petersburg,​ St. Petersburg
parents: Carl Wilhelm Kretschmar,​ Aurelie Duconium
Cäcilie Kretschmar
Russia, Lutheran Church Book Duplicates, 1833-1885
birth: 10 Jan 1857
baptism: 03 Feb 1857 St. Petersburg,​ St. Petersburg (St. Michaelis Church),​ St. Petersburg,​ St. Petersburg
parents: Carl Wilhelm Kretschmar,​ Aurelie Dudomun
Carl Ludwig Kretschmar
Russia, Lutheran Church Book Duplicates, 1833-1885
birth: 09 May 1859
baptism: 21 May 1859 St. Petersburg,​ St. Petersburg (St. Michaelis Church),​ St. Petersburg,​ St. Petersburg
parents: Carl Wilhelm Kretschmar,​ Aurelie Ducommun
Carl Ludwig Kretschmar
Russia, Lutheran Church Book Duplicates, 1833-1885
birth: 09 May 1859
baptism: 21 May 1859 St. Petersburg,​ St. Petersburg (St. Michaelis Church),​ St. Petersburg,​ St. Petersburg
parents: Carl Wilhelm Kretschmar,​ Aurelie Ducommun
Emma Krezschmann
Russia, Lutheran Church Book Duplicates, 1833-1885
marriage: 13 Jun 1854 St. Petersburg,​ St. Petersburg (Jesuskirche,​ Latvian),​ St. Petersburg,​ St. Petersburg
spouse: Georg Strasdin
Wilhelm Kretschmar
Russia, Lutheran Church Book Duplicates, 1833-1885
spouse: Marie Louise Mahlmann
child: Amalie Mathilde Kretschmar
Louise Charlotte Kretschmar
Russia, Lutheran Church Book Duplicates, 1833-1885
spouse: Constantin Kruck
child: Olga Louise Kruck
Carl Wilhelm Kretschmar
Russia, Lutheran Church Book Duplicates, 1833-1885
spouse: Aurelie Duconium
child: Jenny Charlotte Kretschmar
Carl Wilhelm Kretschmar
Russia, Lutheran Church Book Duplicates, 1833-1885
spouse: Aurelie Dudomun
child: Cäcilie Kretschmar
Carl Wilhelm Kretschmar
Russia, Lutheran Church Book Duplicates, 1833-1885
spouse: Aurelie Ducommun
child: Carl Ludwig Kretschmar
Carl Wilhelm Kretschmar
Russia, Lutheran Church Book Duplicates, 1833-1885
spouse: Aurelie Ducommun
child: Carl Ludwig Kretschmar
Charlotte Kretschmar
Russia, Lutheran Church Book Duplicates, 1833-1885
spouse: Constantin Kruk
child: Constantin Alexander Michael Kruk
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Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Èðèíà.
Atkara-EV

Atkara-EV

Î÷åíü ñðåäíåå Ïîâîëæüå
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Íà ñàéòå ñ 2011 ã.
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Ïî-íåìåöêè ôàìèëèÿ ïèøåòñÿ Kretzschmar, òàê ÷òî íàäî ñìîòðåòü âñå âàðèàíòû.

Íåêèé ìàéîð Êðåöìàð óïîìèíàåòñÿ â 1741 ãîäó ïðîõîäÿùèì ñëóæáó â ã. Ñóìû. Ïîñìîòðèòå Êíèãàôîíä http://www.knigafund.ru/books/
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