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Looking for Great-Grandmothers Family History

Ишу крупного землевладельца Минской губ. по имени Василий (Вацлав)

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Yes, sorry. Dudkowski-G. Lazy typing on my part.

I doubt that they would be in the Red Terror. To be honest, as I said above, I don't much about that family line. I don't know her mother's first name or where she was from. It could fall in the Soviet Union, but like my great-grandmother, it could also be in the Second Polish Republic (see below). In terms of time frame, my great-grandmother was born in 1897 or 1898, as the fourth and last child. Her mother, then, must have been at least in her late 30's or 40's, meaning probably the 1840's or 1850's. I don't know her mother had brothers either. Maybe she was an only daughter?

In terms of location, I wrote the counties in the first post, but I'll clarify further: My great-grandmother specifically said that she could hear the guns in the First World War but that the Germans never reached them. I'm about 99% certain that is accurate. That means her family is from somewhere between the front lines in the First World War (see here) and the Second Polish Republic's eastern frontier (see here). I also figure, based on stories, that it is north of Niasvizh and east of Lida, which really doesn't a leave large area. But still a difficult search nonetheless.

I do not know the surname of the Colonel. It would be my great-grandmother's brother, so theoretically it would be the same as her maiden name. I've gone through the lists trying to find a match with his supposed first name (Michael) and patronymic (Vasilievich), along with date of birth (she was born in 1897, so her brother couldn't much older than late 1870's or 1880's), and someone who was killed in action. Nothing seemed to match perfectly. There were a few that sort of worked but didn't match up when I compared them to the 1929 Directory. It has led to me question whether she exaggerated his rank. But thank you for the link. It is something that I've looked for in the past and may have come across it but didn't save it. May be useful down the line.

I do not know how easy it is to look for cards. If it is easy for you, I can go back and compile a list of possible names. I don't want to burden you though.

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MapleLeafs написал:
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I do not know how easy it is to look for cards. If it is easy for you, I can go back and compile a list of possible names. I don't want to burden you though.
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I could look at emigrants and white army cards; just give me last names, Dudkowski, for example. With military cards it is a little bit more problematic, maybe later.


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and someone who was killed in action
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Those lists are not full...
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Список фамилий по которым веду поиск: ссылка.
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If military records are too problematic, then don't worry about it.

He wouldn't be in the White Army. He was killed sometime between 1914-1916.

Are you aware of any discharge lists? People who were released from the army before the war was done?
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MapleLeafs написал:
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Are you aware of any discharge lists? People who were released from the army before the war was done?
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A document about it should be somewhere, but not like a list.


MapleLeafs написал:
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If military records are too problematic, then don't worry about it.
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Give me last names, I will try, cause I will be in this archive too, but don't know will I have time and opportunity to look. Most probably I will go after New Year.
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Уважаемые новички! Пожалуйста, задавайте вопросы на форуме, а не в "Личных сообщениях".
Список фамилий по которым веду поиск: ссылка.
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One guy here published the book on Minsk gubernia land owners. You can buy it (USD 50) or ask him to seek for Vassily / Waclaw for you (USD 1 per line).

Another suggestion - private search, for ex., ask the guy here

Are we speaking about 50 hectars or 50 acres?

You Western people seem to like blind search. So far I can't imagine the possibility here (too few records are digitalized for it)
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Andrey Maslennikov написал:
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Give me last names, I will try, cause I will be in this archive too, but don't know will I have time and opportunity to look. Most probably I will go after New Year.
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If I do discover them, then I'll be sure to pass them along to you. Thank You.


kbg_dnepr написал:
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One guy here published the book on Minsk gubernia land owners. You can buy it (USD 50) or ask him to seek for Vassily / Waclaw for you (USD 1 per line).

Another suggestion - private search, for ex., ask the guy here

Are we speaking about 50 hectars or 50 acres?

You Western people seem to like blind search. So far I can't imagine the possibility here (too few records are digitalized for it)
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biggrin1.gif The blind search is like a puzzle, trying to put all the pieces together. Still... a search with the all information is probably easier. At least I've picked up some Russian in the process.

I'd look into buying the book. Does he mail to Canada or just local or the United States? It certainly seems to be a good resource.
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The location (Derewna is the Town, Wolozyn is the District) is just about perfect.
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This places in Russian Empire was in Wilna governorate.

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My mistake.

I knew it was close to the border but thought it was still in Minsk Province. Guess I was wrong. Thanks for the correction.

I'd still be interested in the book, simply because I'm unsure if that is indeed the family I'm looking for and because it is bound to come in handy with other searches. Hence, my inclusion of Vilna Province as well in the initial post.
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Hello.
I've possibility to look the metrical books of catholic church of township Derewna on the necessary last name
DOWNAR, Kszw. | Derewna, Wolozyn | Borowikowszczyzna 116.

Sorry, but this place in Russian Empire was in Minsk governorate. 101.gif

So the real record looks from a metrical book for 1889 in translating into the Polish language.

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Rzymsko-katolicki kościół w Derewnie, z części 4 - księgi zgonów nr 124
24 września 1888 roku w folwarku Zamianka umarła szlachcianka Róża Burzyńska na tyfus zaopatrzona sakramentami św. Wdowa po zmarłym Adamie Burzyńskim w wieku lat 50, parafianka kościoła derewieńskiego, pozostawiła jedynego syna Eustachego Ciało jej ksiądz J. Kontrymowicz pochował na cmentarzu derewieńskim26 września tegoż roku
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GrayRam написал:
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Sorry, but this place in Russian Empire was in Minsk governorate.
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Я же выше выложил карту, где и Воложин и Деревно в Ошмянском уезде Виленской губернии, не в Минской.
И из словаря XIX века.



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