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13 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 1:33 I apologize. Because i was researching what happened to Aleksander after 1917, I did not realize that I should have also provided his previous military service.  The information about Aleksander going to Denikin in the Caucasus only comes from my great-grandmother. I have no proof of this otherwise. Regards, Karolina ß ïðîøó ïðîùåíèÿ. Ïîòîìó ÷òî ÿ èññëåäîâàë, ÷òî ñëó÷èëîñü ñ Àëåêñàíäðîì ïîñëå 1917 ãîäà, ÿ íå ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî ÿ äîëæåí òàêæå ïðåäîñòàâèëè ñâîþ ïðåäûäóùóþ âîåííóþ ñëóæáó. èíôîðìàöèÿ î Àëåêñàíäð ñîáèðàåòñÿ Äåíèêèíà íà Êàâêàçå ïðèõîäèò òîëüêî îò ìîåé ïðàáàáóøêè. Ó ìåíÿ íåò äîêàçàòåëüñòâ ýòîãî â ïðîòèâíîì ñëó÷àå. Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Karolina | | |
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13 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 10:52 13 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 12:09 Ïðîñòî îò îáúåìà èñõîäíîé èíôîðìàöèè çàâèñèò àëãîðèòì ïîèñêà. Âîò è âñå.  Àëåêñàíäð âûæèë ïîñëå 1917? Îí ýìèãðèðîâàë èëè âåðíóëñÿ â Ðîññèþ (îñòàëñÿ â Ðîññèè)? Òî, ÷òî ó Âàñ íåò íè äîêàçàòåëüñòâ, íè îïðîâåðæåíèé - ïîíÿòíî. Èíà÷å áû Âû çäåñü îá ýòîì íå ñïðàøèâàëè. karolinat íàïèñàë: [q] Îí íå âåðíóëñÿ äîìîé. ß õîòåëà áû çíàòü, ÷òî ñëó÷èëîñü ñ íèì è ãäå îí óìåð.[/q]
Âû ñîâñåì íè÷åãî íå çíàåòå î åãî ñóäüáå? À ÷òî Âàì åùå èçâåñòíî î Íèêîëàå? ---
Ñïàñèáî.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Åëåíà.
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13 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 12:55 I know nothing about Aleksander's fate. He came home one night in 1917 with his adjutant, tried to take his family who did not want to leave, and he left without them. He was assumed to have tried to reach Denikin and his army. Maybe he died on the road.
I know almost nothing about Nicolay. I only know that he was born in 1886, graduated from Kharkiv University, and the information on the picture you posted about him.
Regards,
Karolina
ß íè÷åãî íå çíàþ î ñóäüáå Àëåêñàíäðà àâòîðà. Îí ïðèøåë äîìîé îäíó íî÷ü â 1917 ãîäó ñî ñâîèì àäúþòàíòîì, ïîïûòàëèñü âçÿòü åãî ñåìüè, êîòîðûå íå õîòÿò, ÷òîáû óéòè, è îí óøåë áåç íèõ. Îí áûë Ïðåäïîëàãàåòñÿ, ÷òî ïûòàëèñü äîñòè÷ü Äåíèêèíà è åãî àðìèè. Ìîæåò áûòü, îí ñêîí÷àëñÿ ïî äîðîãå.
ß ïî÷òè íè÷åãî íå çíàåì î Íèêîëàåì. ß çíàþ òîëüêî, ÷òî îí ðîäèëñÿ â 1886 ãîäó, îêîí÷èë Õàðüêîâñêèé óíèâåðñèòåò, à èíôîðìàöèÿ íà êàðòèíêå âàñ â êóðñå î íåì.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì,
Karolina | | |
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13 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 13:28 13 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 21:02 ß ïðîâåðèëà âñå èñòî÷íèêè, êîòîðûå ìíå èçâåñòíû è äîñòóïíû. Óâû, êðîìå çàïèñåé îá ó÷èòåëüñòâîâàíèè Àëåêñàíäðà íè÷åãî íå îáíàðóæèëà.
Íàïèøèòå çàïðîñ â ÃÀÐÔ, óêàæèòå, ÷òî îí èìåë íàìåðåíèå âîåâàòü íà ñòîðîíå Äåíèêèíà. Ïðîñèòå ïðîâåðèòü åãî ïî êàðòîòåêå áåëîýìèãðàíòîâ è ïî ôîíäó Ãëàâíîêîìàíäóþùåãî âîîðóæåííûìè ñèëàìè íà Þãå Ðîññèè (À.È.Äåíèêèí, Ï.Í.Âðàíãåëü, ñ àïðåëÿ 1920 Ãëàâíîêîìàíäóþùèé Ðóññêîé àðìèåé), ã. Åêàòåðèíîäàð.
Ìîæåò ó íèõ ÷òî-ëèáî î íåì è íàéäåòñÿ.
Îôèöèàëüíûé àäðåñ ýëåêòðîííîé ïî÷òû äëÿ ðåãèñòðàöèè çàïðîñîâ:
garf@statearchive.ru (óë. Áîëüøàÿ Ïèðîãîâñêàÿ,17).
À î Íèêîëàå - îêîí÷èâøåì â 1912 â 1913 (âðîäå òàê âûõîäèò?) ìàòåìàòè÷åñêèé ôàêóëüòåò - óìà íå ïðèëîæó, ãäå èñêàòü.
Íèêîëàé åñòü â ñïèñêàõ ñòóäåíòîâ íà 1912 - 1913 àêàäåìè÷åñêèé ãîä.
Ñâåäåíèÿ òå æå.
 1913 - 1914 åãî â ñïèñêàõ ñòóäåíòîâ íåò. Îêîí÷èë.
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Ñïàñèáî.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Åëåíà.
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13 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 23:32 13 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 23:33 Thank you for helping me with my search, Elena! You have given me some new directions to try. I wanted to ask, is there any information about the 62nd artillery division? I am interested to know where that division was in the war. Regards, Karolina Ñïàñèáî çà ïîìîùü ìíå ñ ìîèì ïîèñêîì, Åëåíà! Âû äàëè ìíå íåêîòîðûå íîâûå íàïðàâëåíèÿ, ÷òîáû ïîïðîáîâàòü. ß õîòåë áû ñïðîñèòü, åñòü ëè èíôîðìàöèÿ î 62-é àðòèëëåðèéñêîé äèâèçèè? Ìíå èíòåðåñíî çíàòü, ãäå ýòî ðàçäåëåíèå áûëî â âîéíó. Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Karolina | | |
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14 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 9:49 karolinat íàïèñàë: [q] ß õîòåë áû ñïðîñèòü, åñòü ëè èíôîðìàöèÿ î 62-é àðòèëëåðèéñêîé äèâèçèè[/q]
Ïîïðîáóþ ïîèñêàòü, íî ÷óòü ïîçæå. ---
Ñïàñèáî.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Åëåíà.
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14 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 12:10 14 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 13:14 karolinat íàïèñàë: [q] îí áûë ïðèìåíåí íà ñëóæáó â 62-é àðòèëëåðèéñêîé äèâèçèè, è â õîäå ñëóæåíèÿ áûë ïîâûøåí â çâàíèè âòîðîãî ëåéòåíàíòà â 1916 ãîäó. [/q]
ß íå íàøëà 62-é àðòèëëåðèéñêîé äèâèçèè, íî áûëà 62-ÿ àðòèëëåðèéñêàÿ áðèãàäà. Ñôîðìèðîâàíà â èþëå 1914 ã. ïî ìîáèëèçàöèè â ã. Ñåâàñòîïîëå, èç êàäðîâ, âûäåëåííûõ 13-é Àðòèëëåðèéñêîé áðèãàäîé. Âîøëà â ñîñòàâ 7-é àðìèè (Îäåññêèé ÂÎ). http://www.antologifo.narod.ru...tabr14.htm13-ÿ àðòèëëåðèéñêàÿ áðèãàäà äèñëîöèðîâàëàñü â Ñåâàñòîïîëå. http://regiment.ru/reg/IV/B/13/1.htm7-ÿ àðìèÿ âîåâàëà â ñîñòàâå Þãî-Çàïàäíîãî ôðîíòà http://www.genstab.ru/oob_ww1_ru.htm àâãóñòå 1917 ãîäà Þãî-Çàïàäíûì ôðîíòîì êîìàíäîâàë ãåíåðàë Äåíèêèí À.È. Ìîæåò ÿ è îøèáàþñü â ñâîèõ ïðåäïîëîæåíèÿõ, íî äóìàþ, ÷òî îôèöåðû, âîåâàâøèå íà Þãî-Çàïàäíîì ôðîíòå, ïîòîìó è îòïðàâèëèñü èìåííî íà Äîí è Êóáàíü - âñëåä çà ñâîèì ãåíåðàëîì. ____________________________ Î 62-é àðòèëëåðèéñêîé áðèãàäå åñòü äîêóìåíòû â ÐÃÂÈÀ. Ô. 3738. 1914 - 1917 ãã. 245 åä. õð. http://guides.rusarchives.ru/b..._id=233099ÐÃÂÈÀ Ðîññèéñêèé ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé âîåííî-èñòîðè÷åñêèé àðõèâ http://www.rusarchives.ru/federal/rgvia/Âîçìîæíî â ÐÃÂÈÀ è íàéäåòñÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ îá Àëåêñàíäðå âðåìåí 1914 - 1916 ãîäîâ. ---
Ñïàñèáî.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Åëåíà.
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14 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 12:10 karolinat íàïèñàë: [q] he had been to Bessarabia (I assume this was Mariupol)[/q]
Karolina, if you are interested in your ancestors, then you may want to learn a bit about the land they lived in. You can look up Mariupol in Wiki, as well as Odessa and Caucasus, then you can better imagine the space they lived in. As Elena wrote, Mariupol belonged to the school county with the center in Odessa. And Odessa, yes, it's near Bessarabia (also in Wiki). ---
Êàòåðèíà
Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
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14 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 12:14 Êàòÿ! Ó÷åáíûå îêðóãà - ýòî áûëà ïåñíÿ! Ìîãèëåâ, Ãîìåëü, ïîëîæèì, íåêîòîðîå âðåìÿ âõîäèëè â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãñêèé ó÷åáíûé îêðóã.
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Ñïàñèáî.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Åëåíà.
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15 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 16:42 16 ôåâðàëÿ 2013 20:43 Êàðîëèíà! À ÿ Âàì åùå "íèòî÷êó" ïîäêèíó. Íå ôàêò êîíå÷íî, íî ïî âîçðàñòó â ñûíîâüÿ Âàøåìó Íèêîëàþ ïîäõîäèò. Îáùåäîñòóïíîì ýëåêòðîííîì áàíêå äîêóìåíòîâ «Ïîäâèã Íàðîäà â Âåëèêîé Îòå÷åñòâåííîé âîéíå 1941-1945 ãã.» http://podvignaroda.ru/íàøëàñü âîò òàêàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ: Òîðàíñêèé Íèêîëàé Íèêîëàåâè÷, ãîä ðîæäåíèÿ - 1921, ñò. ëåéòåíàíò ìåäñëóæáû, â ÐÊÊÀ ñ 1939 ãîäà, ìåñòî ïðèçûâà: Ëåíèíñêèé ÐÂÊ, Óêðàèíñêàÿ ÑÑÐ, ã. Õàðüêîâ, Ëåíèíñêèé ð-í. Íàãðàæäåí Îðäåíîì Êðàñíîé Çâåçäû. Íàãðàäíîé ëèñò ïî ýòîé ññûëêå: http://podvignaroda.ru/filter/...4b168545d0Âîåíôåëüäøåð â ÑÏÀÌ -49 (ñáîðíûé ïóíêò àâàðèéíûõ ìàøèí), ïîëó÷èë ðàíåíèå 23 îêòÿáðÿ 1944 ãîäà. http://tankfront.ru/ussr/to_btmv/spam.htmlhttp://www.teatrskazka.com/Raz...32_07.htmlÑÏÀÌ - Ñáîðíûå ïóíêòû àâàðèéíûõ ìàøèí - ïîëåâûå ìàñòåðñêèå ïî ñáîðó è ðåìîíòó ïîâðåæäåííîé òåõíèêè, â ÷àñòíîñòè òàíêîâ.  íàãðàäíîì ãîâîðèòñÿ î òàíêàõ Ò-34 è ëåãêèõ ñàìîõîäíî-àðòèëëåðèéñêèõ óñòàíîâêàõ ÑÓ-76. http://forum.worldoftanks.ru/i...%BE%D0%B2/Ñâåäåíèÿ î íåì ìîæíî áóäåò çàïðîñèòü â Àðõèâå Âîåííî-ìåäèöèíñêîãî ìóçåÿ (Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã) http://www.museum.ru/m170191180, Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã, Ëàçàðåòíûé ïåð., ä. 2 Çàïðîñû îíè ïðèíèìàþò òîëüêî ïèñüìàìè ïî÷òîâîé ñâÿçüþ.Êàäðîâûé âîåííûé ìåäèê, ïîëó÷èë ðàíåíèå - ïðàêòè÷åñêè íàâåðíÿêà èíôîðìàöèÿ ïî íåìó â ýòîì àðõèâå áûòü äîëæíà. Íå çíàþ òîëüêî, êàê ó íèõ ñåé÷àñ â ñìûñëå ïîäòâåðæäåíèÿ ðîäñòâà. ---
Ñïàñèáî.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Åëåíà.
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Scool counties was a very special thing, they were VERY different from administrative counties