Eugeniusz Groński
TatianaLGNNÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà ÂÃÄ äàðèò óäî÷êó. Ðûáó ëîâèòü äîëæíû âû ñàìè  Íèæíèé Íîâãîðîä Ñîîáùåíèé: 25698 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2003 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 7971 | Íàâåðõ ##
16 äåêàáðÿ 2023 6:12 Ãðîíñêèå åñòü â Íèæíåì Íîâãîðîäå ---
Óâàæàåìûå äðóçüÿ, âíîâü ïðèøåäøèå íà ôîðóì. Î÷åíü ïðîøó, ïðåæäå ÷åì çàäàòü ìíå âîïðîñ â ëè÷êó, íó ïî÷èòàéòå íåìíîãî ôîðóì.È ïîòîì ìîè çíàíèÿ ðàñïðîñòðàíÿþòñÿ íå íà âñþ áûâøóþ Ðîññèéñêóþ èìïåðèþ, à â îñíîâíîì íà Íèæåãîðîäñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ.
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16 äåêàáðÿ 2023 6:36 Ìåòðèêà î ðîæäåíèè Ñòàíèñëàâà 05.01.1911, Ðèìñêî-êàòîëè÷åñêàÿ öåðêîâü ã. Òîìñêà https://www.familysearch.org/a...cc=4450389[Ðîäèòåëè] Ïîìîùíèêà íà÷àëüíèêà ñòàíöèè Ìàðèèíñê [Ñèáèðñêîé æåëåçíîé äîðîãè] Åâãåíèÿ Ñòàíèñëàâîâè÷à è Ìàðèè Ëåîïîëüäîâíû [óðîæä¸ííîé] Äðîçäîâñêîé Ãðîíñêèõ [çàêîííûõ ñóïðóãîâ] ñûí, ðîäèâøèéñÿ 5 ÿíâàðÿ ñåãî ãîäà íà [ñòàíöèè] Ìàðèèíñê. Âîñïðèåìíèêàìè áûëè äâîðÿíèí Ôàääåé Ëåîïîëüäîâè÷ Äðîçäîâñêèé ñ Ñàáèíîþ Ñòàíèñëàâîâíîé Ãðîíñêîþ. --- â ýòîì æå êîñò¸ëå åñòü åù¸ çàïèñü î âîçìîæíûõ ðîäñòâåííèêàõ https://www.familysearch.org/a...cc=445038915.12.1913, Ñîôèÿ [Ðîäèòåëè] Êîëëåæñêîãî ðåãèñòðàòîðà Àëåêñàíäðà è Ìàðèÿííû [óðîæä¸ííîé] Êðåíçåëü Ãðîíñêèõ [çàêîííûõ ñóïðóãîâ] äî÷ü, ðîäèâøàÿñÿ 15 äåêàáðÿ 1913 ãîäà íà ïðèèñêàõ öåíòðàëüí. ðóäí.(?) Òîìñêîé ãóáåðíèè Ìàðèèíñêîãî óåçäà. Âîñïðèåìíèêàìè áûëè Ðîìàí Êàðêëèí(?) è ßäâèãà Ãðîíñêàÿ. --- â ýòîì æå êîñò¸ëå åñòü òàêæå óïîìèíàíèå êðåñòüÿí Ãðîíñêèõ https://www.familysearch.org/a...cc=4450389Íîâîàëåêñàíäðîâñêîé âîëîñòè, ïîñ¸ëîê Áåëîñòîêñêèé. ---
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28 äåêàáðÿ 2023 8:54 >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ siadeblanc îò 16 äåêàáðÿ 2023 4:23 Thank you for the information. I will see if I can find a Stanislav Gronski somewhere around Vilnius as that is where the family lived after Evgeny stopped working for the Russian railways. I presume that is where they might have lived before they moved to Siberia for his work. I do not have Leopold's birth record. I know that information because he was my grandfather, not because I found it in any documents. For my interest, what does "honorary citizen" mean? Is this a kind of nobility title (but not dvoryanin), or it has to do with actual Russian citizenship? Thank you. | | |
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28 äåêàáðÿ 2023 9:16 >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ maxmalk îò 16 äåêàáðÿ 2023 6:36 This is fantastic. Today I found a document from a Polish census from the 1920's. I learned that both Wladyslaw and Stanislaw were born in Mariinsk, the former on 2/February/1909, the latter on 5/January/1911. This fits with the Stanislaw you found, maxmalk, and confirms that Stanislaw (grandfather) must have been the father of Eugeniusz, who was the father of Stanislaw born in 1911. Sofia appears to be the daughter of the Alexander siadeblanc found. I think I can safely conclude that the brothers Alexander and Eugeniusz lived in Mariinsk from at least 1908 to sometime before 1916, when they were in Shumikha. At some point after (probably around the Revolution), they moved back west to settle in the area around Vilnius. What is a Êîëëåæñê ðåãèñòðàòîð? It translates as a college registrar. Is that correct, someone who worked in the registration of students at a college (I presume high school)? I do not think the Gronski's in Áåëîñòîê are my family. Maybe they are, but not close relatives. As far as I know they were not peasants, but from dvoryanin class and were not involved in agriculture. Thank you and I welcome anything else you may find. | | Ëàéê (1) |
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29 äåêàáðÿ 2023 15:02 Collegiate registrar was a lowest rank in Russian imperial bureaucracy (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_Ranks ). "Honorary citizens" was a small strata between nobles and burghers, it consists of childern of non-hereditary nobles, children of some clergymen and some others. Also it can be achieved through best places at ranks for some univercities and college students, through awarding of some imperial orders, or one can be elevated by city goverment's decision, e.t.c. ---
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29 äåêàáðÿ 2023 19:55 29 äåêàáðÿ 2023 19:57 maxmalk íàïèñàë: [q] Collegiate registrar was a lowest rank in Russian imperial bureaucracy (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_Ranks ).
"Honorary citizens" was a small strata between nobles and burghers, it consists of childern of non-hereditary nobles, children of some clergymen and some others. Also it can be achieved through best places at ranks for some univercities and college students, through awarding of some imperial orders, or one can be elevated by city goverment's decision, e.t.c.[/q]
Thank you. In fact, in Zofia's birth record from 1913, Alexander is college secretary, presumably having been promoted based on the Wiki page you sent. One more question, the dates in the birth records, e.g. Stanislaw's are in the Julian calendar? | | |
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30 äåêàáðÿ 2023 8:36 lechia44 íàïèñàë: [q] One more question, the dates in the birth records, e.g. Stanislaw's are in the Julian calendar?[/q]
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