Looking For A Marriage Record
Looking for a marriage record in Russian Empire
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18 мая 2024 22:57 FuranNietchaieff написал: [q] I speak with the person who provided me with Grigory's file and here is his opinion regarding the Nechaev Sinyavsky marriage
"Посмотрел послужной список.
Вы совершенно правы, брак надо искать в Вильне или в Чаусах.
Очень может быть, что брак был заключен в Виленской Благовещенской военно-местной церкви.
В ЦГИА вижу метрические книги этой церкви с начала 1890-х годов. Более ранние, скорее всего находятся в Центре хранения страхового фонда в Ялуторовске.
Туда надо делать запрос через РГВИА.
Если не найдете в архиве Вильнюса нужную метрику, то пишите, поработаем еще, сделаю запрос для Вас в Ялуторовск."
The automatic translator is a bit random but I think it says that I could apply to the RGVIA to obtain the marriage certificate?[/q]
"I've looked through the service list. You're totally right, the marriage should be looked for in Vilno or Chaussy. It's quite possible that the marriage was concluded at the Vilno Annunciation local military church. There're metrical books of that church at RGIA (Russian state historical archives) since the 1890s. The earlier ones are, very likely, at the Insurance fund storage center at Yalutorovsk. It must requested it via RGVIA. If you fail to find the right metrical book at Vilnius, then contact me, we'll work on it and i'll request Yalutorovsk for you " | | Лайк (1) |
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19 мая 2024 0:54 Well no marriage found :( | | |
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19 мая 2024 10:09 19 мая 2024 12:24 Pay attention to the phrase about marriage: "announced in the battalion order". My guess is that their marriage took place in an infantry or regimental church. If I'm not wrong Vilna local regiment = Novo-Troksky 169th Infantry Regiment. You can see how the names changed here link. Your Nechaev was in the 17th reserve personnel regiment of the Vilna local battalion. But they only had a regimental church in 1892. (if I found the information correctly) The RGVIA has a fund F. 7583, 1 op., 12 units. Chronicle, last dates: 1877-1879. 17th Infantry Reserve Battalion (1877-1879). May be there would be some information (battalion order for example). But anyway you are already extremely lucky to find date of marriage and maiden name. It might also make sense to look at F. 2666. Op. 3 d.20 52nd Vilna Infantry Regiment of Grand Duke Kirill Vladimirovich. Regimental Church. If I'm not mistaken those regiments were connected. There are marriage records for 1877–1886. P.S. Also there is a note that in 1881 Grigory lived in Moscow in the house of the peasant Mikhail Morozov, Lefortovo part of the 7th quarter. He gave an acknowledgment in Moscow. and in 1880 lived in Chausy as permanent resident in the house of Mrs. Sinyavskaya (probably Maria's mother house) | | Лайк (1) |
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19 мая 2024 11:52 19 мая 2024 11:53 FuranNietchaieff написал: [q] [q]
It says that he was qualified for a pension from the general governmental treasury even though he hadn't served the full term, as he retired due to an illness.
But he wasn't qualified for a pension from the Military infantry treasury since his illness wasn't on the list.
It doesn't specify what kind of illness though.
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Thanks. Unfortunate that the type of illness is not detailed[/q]
It is detayled - catarrh, rheumatism, an “air tumor of the lungs” (apparently a cyst) was diagnosed, and as a result, dilation of the right ventricle of the heart. The conclusion was given by doctors of the 61st Vladimir Infantry Regiment in 1880. | | Лайк (1) |
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19 мая 2024 13:06 [q] Pay attention to the phrase about marriage: "announced in the battalion order". My guess is that their marriage took place in an infantry or regimental church.
If I'm not wrong Vilna local regiment = Novo-Troksky 169th Infantry Regiment. You can see how the names changed here link. Your Nechaev was in the 17th reserve personnel regiment of the Vilna local battalion. But they only had a regimental church in 1892. (if I found the information correctly)
The RGVIA has a fund F. 7583, 1 op., 12 units. Chronicle, last dates: 1877-1879. 17th Infantry Reserve Battalion (1877-1879). May be there would be some information (battalion order for example).
But anyway you are already extremely lucky to find date of marriage and maiden name.
It might also make sense to look at F. 2666. Op. 3 d.20 52nd Vilna Infantry Regiment of Grand Duke Kirill Vladimirovich. Regimental Church. If I'm not mistaken those regiments were connected. There are marriage records for 1877–1886.[/q]
Oh I see. It's not as simple as I thought. I may have to reapply to rgvia then. [q] Also there is a note that in 1881 Grigory lived in Moscow in the house of the peasant Mikhail Morozov, Lefortovo part of the 7th quarter. He gave an acknowledgment in Moscow.
and in 1880 lived in Chausy as permanent resident in the house of Mrs. Sinyavskaya (probably Maria's mother house)
It is detayled - catarrh, rheumatism, an “air tumor of the lungs” (apparently a cyst) was diagnosed, and as a result, dilation of the right ventricle of the heart.
The conclusion was given by doctors of the 61st Vladimir Infantry Regiment in 1880.[/q]
Great thank you very much for this valuable information. He had a permanent residence in Chaussy and a "secondary residence" in Moscow, where his family lived. At that time he still had at least one brother and one sister with their children. Maybe Mikhail Morozov was his older sister's husband or a nephew? But I guess it could just be a friend too. | | |
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21 мая 2024 18:43 Is there a fund for students who attended the Faculty of Medicine at Moscow University in 1880-1884?
I would like to find Mikhail Sinyavsky's student file if it exists | | |
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21 мая 2024 19:04 21 мая 2024 19:06 FuranNietchaieff написал: [q] Is there a fund for students who attended the Faculty of Medicine at Moscow University in 1880-1884?
I would like to find Mikhail Sinyavsky's student file if it exists[/q]
The personal files of the students of Moscow University are in the archive of Moscow. Fund 418, inventory 295, case 473 Mikhail Sinyavsky
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21 мая 2024 19:14 [q] The personal files of the students of Moscow University are in the archive of Moscow. Fund 418, inventory 295, case 473 Mikhail Sinyavsky[/q]
Thank you ! https://yandex.ru/archive/cata...5111ddac99Is that the one right? Unfortunately, the archives have not been digitized | | Лайк (1) |
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21 мая 2024 22:57 I just thought of something about the couple Ignatiy Engel and Aleksandra Sinyavskaya. They were married in Moscow in 1885 and Grigory was their best man. So we can already say that Grigory was there between 1880 and 1885. Then in 1895 when Grigory's son was born in Kaunas, Ignatiy was his godfather and was a school teacher. So he probably settled there and probably had children there too. So while waiting for the research to unravel on Mikhail's school record and the Nechaev - Sinyavsky marriage, I look at the births between 1885 and 1890 in Kaunas or 1895 if I don't find anything before.
So far I've never found anything in Moscow with the name Engel so I think that's where I have to look. Or maybe Chaussy... | | |
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