Looking For A Marriage Record
Looking for a marriage record in Russian Empire
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8 января 2024 15:10 OlgaKob написал: [q]
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So he married for a second time with Maria Grigorievna Nadozhina ? Not sure because the traduction is not very good
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The first link, it a birth record. Alexander there is a godfather and Nadezhina, the wife of a merchant's son, is a godmother.
He was married once.[/q]
oh okay thanks. Automatic translations are really ambiguous sometimes | | |
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8 января 2024 15:15 >> Ответ на сообщение пользователя psyandr от 8 января 2024 14:54 thank you for your clarifications and help | | |
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8 января 2024 15:45 8 января 2024 16:31 Alexander Nechaev wife's family, were attendants of the Church of St Kosma and Damian at Kadashivo Confession sheet of 1833, # 5. Submitted by September 12, 1833 Alexandra is not mentioned, so she had been married away in 1833. ...................... Confession sheet of 1831 Alexandra was 16. Here's their census list of 1834. Dmitry Vlasievich became the priest in 1827. Moscow Annunciation Cathedral (Московский Благовещенский собор) must be the one at the Kremlin, but I'm not sure.Yeah, his daughter's marriage record . It says that Dmitry Vlasyevich served at the Moscow court Annunciation Cathedral (Московский придворный Благовещенский собор). ................. Here's a narration about Dmitry Vlasyevich Pohorsky during the French invasion of Moscow in 1812 ............. He died on the 14th of December, 1836 ( # 23 ) Burried at Danilovskoye cemetary ( Wiki) which was located near Donskaya sloboda, gathered around Donskoy Moscow Monastery. Here was that Donskoye clerical school, were Alexander Nechaev was a rector | | |
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8 января 2024 16:43 Probably Alexander's older son, Sergey, a deacon of Zamoskvorechye Church of Intercession of the Virgin Mary at Malaya Ordynka. | | |
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8 января 2024 17:09 8 января 2024 17:12 I am not sure, but it can be Efim Vasilyevich. If someone could verify. HereCensus list of the clergy of Moscow governorate for 1811 (6th census) ЦГА Москвы ф 203 оп 746 д 544, лист 47об (file # 57) The Church of the Transfiguration of Christ (Церковь Преображения Господня), Volokolamsk uyezd (okruga) of the village of Murikovo "умершего диякона Василия Яковлева сын Ефим по последней ревизии (1795?) - 15 лет отбыл в царствующий град в Москву к церкви Федора Студита, что у Никитских ворот во священники в 1805 году" Of the deceased deacon Vasily Yakovlev (*patronimic) son Efim according to the last census (*1795) - age of 15 left for the capital city of Moscow to the Church of Theodore Studit at the Nikitsky gate to the rank of priest (*must be mixed up, he was a deacon) in 1805 | | |
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8 января 2024 17:34 HereЦГА Москвы ф 51 оп 8 д 30, лист 300об (file 303) 6th census, 1811, Moscow's Church of Theodore Studit "священник Ефим Васильев, писанной в 5-ю ревизию Волоколамского уезда в селе Мурикове диякона Василия Яковлева сыном, обучающимся в Перервинской семинарии, У него сын Александр, живет при отце. Вновьрожденный - 5 лет | | |
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8 января 2024 17:46 8 января 2024 18:50 Here's deacon Vasily Yakovlev's 5th census (1795) list ЦГА Москвы, ф 203 оп 744, д. 1502, лист 148 (файл 155) "оного села Муринова диакон Василий Яковлев, определен в сие село после 4-й ревизии, при бытности Переяславской епархии Гжатской округи из села Вельнежи, писанной в 4-й ревизии в том селе Вельнежи" - 42 года (умре в 789 году) у него диакона сын, писанной в ту 4-ю ревизии в том селе Вельнеже Ефим (обучается в Перервинской семинарии) -15/оной студент Ефим Нечаев в 1803 году проведен в Никитского сорока к Федора Студита церковь во диякона ........................... Efim's father, Priest Vasily Yakovlev was commissioned to Murynovo (Murikovo) of Volokolamsk uyezd from the priest of the Velmezh village of Gzhatsk uyezd, Smolenks governorate, between the 4th (1787) census and 1789. Село Вельмеж ("Вельнеж") Гжатского уезда Смоленской губернии (ныне - Гагаринский район Смоленской области) Velmezh - a village in Gzhatsky uyezd of Smolensk governorate (now Gagarinsky rayon Smolensk oblast) https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/...0%B2%D0%BE................ He died on the 18th of April, 1789 here | | Лайк (1) |
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8 января 2024 23:45 Wow so many informations here !
So Efim and Mikhail's father is Vasily Yakovlevitch Nechaev, a priest from Murikovo ? what a pious family. I now understand that the Russian army took the youngest Nechaev, otherwise Grigory would have been a priest too.
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9 января 2024 0:22 FuranNietchaieff написал: [q] So Efim and Mikhail's father is Vasily Yakovlevitch Nechaev, a priest from Murikovo ? [/q]
If Efim and Michail ARE brothers. Vasily Yakovlevich was originally served of the village of Velmezh, Gzhatsky uyezd, near Smolensk. Circa 1788 he was commissioned to Murikovo, Volokolamsk uyezd, near Moscow. It doesn't mention if he was a deacon there too. He could have had a lesser rank, but from what I can assume he was a clergyman there too. He probably also went to a seminary, and theoretically thus was elevated to deacon. But this is my guess. Deacon (диакон) is not priest (священник/поп), it's a rank one degree lower, but was the first stage of church parish ministership. In Russia deacons underwent ordination, while dyachki and acolytes (ponomari) were not, so the two latter were considered litterally laity, yet serving at the church (tserkovnosluzhiteli). Deacon, priest, prosbuter and protoiereus were considred "svyaschennosluzhiteli" (roughly, ministers, full church parish clergy). | | |
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9 января 2024 0:35 FuranNietchaieff
As for further research, theoretically we should have studied the clergy census the 4th census (1787) of Velmezh, Gzhatsky uyezd, to see from where he was commissioned.
It belonged to Smolensk governorate, but Pereyslavl eparchy.
I've reviewed Smolensk archive's indexes for Smolenskaya kazennaya palata and Smolenskaya dukhovnaya konsistoriya. There's no 4th census for that village, let alone for the clergy (they went seperately). The Smolensk consistory doesn't have any documents for the period from that village.
I don't know if there's anything at NIAB (Belarus), but fonds 136, Minsk consistory, doesn't seem to have anything.
I don't know if there's anything on the Pereyaslavl eparchy in other archives.
So, I don't know what can be suggested for further research.
Theoretically the Nechaevs should be from Moscow.
What area of Moscow? Were they burghers or clergy?
It's RGADA. There are some censuses from Moscow areas in the fonds # 350. Normally, RGADA has censuses: the 1st (1719-27), 2nd (1744-48) and 3rd (1760-s).
Maybe there are some more church fonds at the Moscow city archive (ЦГА Москвы), that are not digitized, with documents of the 18th century.
I'm not an expert in that area. | | |
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