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OlgaKob

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The confession lists from Virgin Mary Church on the Butyrka, 1793
(fonds 203, series 747, file 656)
Butyrka starts on the file 413
https://yandex.ru/archive/cata...45080e/419

# 66 Batyrschik Vasily Fyodorov (patronimic)...
There's no guarantee it is Mikhail's father, as most people in such confession lists usually go without last names.
No Mikhail there. However, Mikhail is calculated to be born around 1792, i.e. in 1793 he could either still to be born or was a newborn and just ommitted.
I haven't found any confession lists from this church in between 1793 and 1828, to match.
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>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ OlgaKob îò 3 ÿíâàðÿ 2024 19:33

Im not sure this is the good one because Efimy is missing. He was born around 1778. In 1793, he should be 15
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FuranNietchaieff íàïèñàë:
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>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ OlgaKob îò 3 ÿíâàðÿ 2024 19:33

Im not sure this is the good one because Efimy is missing. He was born around 1778. In 1793, he should be 15
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I missed that message.
Well, if Priest Eufimy Nechaev was his brother, then here's 8th (1834) census:
https://yandex.ru/archive/cata...e8bb2b/281

It says he had a son named Alexander (born circa 1807), who taught at the Moscow Clerical Academy.
Alexander's personal file: https://yandex.ru/archive/cata...5d33c0c5/8
OlgaKob

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FuranNietchaieff íàïèñàë:
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about what you found, this is a bit weird because for the Census Efimy was 37 years old therefore born around 1797 and Aleksandr 27 in 1831/32 therefore born around 1804-1805. The parentage cannot be good
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No, Eufimy was born circa 1778. By 1805 he was 27.
FuranNietchaieff

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Oh I got it. I took the wrong age so it's good now. Efimy has 4 children now. He must have others given the age gap between the first and the second maybe two born around 1810-14

I hadn't even seen Vasily and Pavel underneath neither Anna on the right...

Ïðèêðåïëåííûé ôàéë: Capture d’écran 2024-01-06 221244.jpg
FuranNietchaieff

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To end this day, I may have found something interesting about Mikhail but not sure if it has any value.
Èñïîâåäíûå âåäîìîñòè ã. Ìîñêâà Íèêèòñêèé ñîðîê Öåðêâè Íèêèòñêîãî ñîðîêà : https://yandex.ru/archive/cata...=3540+1467

The age of Mikhail Vasiliev is 19 and therefore corresponds to the one I am looking for but the name Netchaiev is missing. The location is good tho and it's the same archive as Efimy in the same year so maybe we can push.

Otherwise I found nothing before 1805 could stick with the Netchaiev, I'll continue the research later
OlgaKob

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To end this day, I may have found something interesting about Mikhail but not sure if it has any value.
Èñïîâåäíûå âåäîìîñòè ã. Ìîñêâà Íèêèòñêèé ñîðîê Öåðêâè Íèêèòñêîãî ñîðîêà : https://yandex.ru/archive/cata...=3540+1467

The age of Mikhail Vasiliev is 19 and therefore corresponds to the one I am looking for but the name Netchaiev is missing. The location is good tho and it's the same archive as Efimy in the same year so maybe we can push.

Otherwise I found nothing before 1805 could stick with the Netchaiev, I'll continue the research later
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No, these are the children of widow Agripina Kipriyanova Kasatkina, # 42, then it says "her children" (deti eya)
It means her husband's name was Vasily Kasatkin.
FuranNietchaieff

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Ok ok I was wondering if that was her maiden name as she was a widow or if it was her married name
too bad because the age matched well and he was the only one I found
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I was wondering if that was her maiden name as she was a widow or if it was her married name
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In pre-Revolutionary Russia a woman who had never been married was officially titled as 'devitsa' (maiden) even if she was 90.
Once married, a woman changed her last name to the husband's. It was automatic. So, a widow couldn't go by her maiden name in church documents.
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FuranNietchaieff

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Could I have someone's opinion regarding the name of Dmitry Tikhomirov's wife? As well as what is written for his daughter Nedejda ?
https://yandex.ru/archive/cata...=3883+1333
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