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Looking for a marriage record in Russian Empire

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>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя siadeblanc от 30 декабря 2023 9:08

Okay thanks. So where is the reference for the metrical book for Chaussy fr the year 1877 ? I would like to check if Grigory Netchaiev and Maria Tolstoi got married there.
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>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя siadeblanc от 30 декабря 2023 9:08

Okay thanks. So where is the reference for the metrical book for Chaussy fr the year 1877 ? I would like to check if Grigory Netchaiev and Maria Tolstoi got married there.
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Most likely, documents for this year have not been preserved. Check out this thread https://forum.vgd.ru/post/3084/94488/p2791104.htm about Чаусский уезд maybe you'll find something interesting
For example, inventory list (list of serfs) of the Yalovo estate of landowner Count Tolstoy N.D.
2221 Могилевский губернский комитет для рассмотрения и составления инвентарей помещичьих имений (№ 68 and 69)
or The case of the purchase of land from the landowner Count Tolstoy Nikolai Dmitrievich 2014 - 1 - 148 and 2014 - 1 - 302
or РГИА Ф. 577 Оп. 19 Д. 1549 The case of the purchase of land plots by temporarily obliged peasants from Tolstoy N.D. villages of Gorodets, Tsibulshchina, Berdzinichi and others. (Mogilev province) March 21, 1866 - November 19, 1881

Apparently, metric books have been partially preserved only for the Chaussy Roman catholic church and I doubt that there may be a record of marriage there since Nechaev was Orthodox and part of his family belonged to the clergy.

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>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя siadeblanc от 31 декабря 2023 5:11


So, I can't get a birth certificate or a marriage certificate from Chaussy because the documents were not preserved. The only thing we know is that Maria Tolstoi claims to have been born at the Yalovo estate in 1857, whose owners were Nikolai Dmitrievitch Tolstoy, son of the governor of Mogilev, Dmitri Alexandrovitch Tolstoy.

What could be interesting to investigate is the Siniavsky family. When Daniil and Nedzia Kossova got married, when and where Daniil was born, and if they had other children. But well, if they lived in Belarus, I'm a bit stuck...
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There fonds # 2151 at NIAB, Mogilevskaya kazennaya palata. It includes revision books.
It has two series
https://drive.google.com/file/...-Jbij/view
https://drive.google.com/file/...TeiNW/view
For example, file # 65 of series 1 has revision records for burghers and merchants of Mogilev and the governorate for 1859 (10th revision)
The index doesn't specify which areas are included, so I don't know if there's Chaussy.


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On the history of the Moscow University printing house and the Nativity of Virgin Mary Church on the Butyrki
we mentioned before (page 8), where Mikhail Nechaev's family attended.

According to Wikipedia
the Moscow university printing house was founded in 1756 and the first emplyees were asigned from the children of soldiers of Butyrka infantry regiment residing at Butyrka sloboda.

Butyrka sloboda was home for one of the first elite 'selected' Moscow soldier regiments since mid-17th centur, i.e. tsar Alexey Mikhailovich. This kind of regiments belonged to the so-called 'new-order' or 'foreign-order' regiments, adopted by Russia from Western Europe. Soldiers back then were a type of musketeer infantry, not just a private.

So, there's a theoretic possibility.

I can't tell, if there were any influxes of new employees from other Moscow's areas.
Anyway, i think this version must be researched.

Moscow archives doesn't seem to have any earlier revision for the printing house. Theoretically, regional archives should have the revisions from the 4th one, 1782, if they survive.
There's also a question whether the Moscow archives have a revision for Butyrka sloboda.
Anyways, the 3rd revision, i.e. for 1760-s, if there's any connected to the subject-matter, can be found at RGADA.

There's also the fonds at Moscow city archives # 418 dedicated to Moscow Imperial university (it was named prior to the Revolution).
The series # 490 is dedicated to the printing house. There's a file # 93 "The lists of officials and servicemen of the University's printing house for 1813
https://cgamos.ru/upload/ibloc...490-00.pdf
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The confession lists from Virgin Mary Church on the Butyrka, 1793
(fonds 203, series 747, file 656)
Butyrka starts on the file 413
https://yandex.ru/archive/cata...45080e/419

# 66 Batyrschik Vasily Fyodorov (patronimic)...
There's no guarantee it is Mikhail's father, as most people in such confession lists usually go without last names.
No Mikhail there. However, Mikhail is calculated to be born around 1792, i.e. in 1793 he could either still to be born or was a newborn and just ommitted.
I haven't found any confession lists from this church in between 1793 and 1828, to match.
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>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя OlgaKob от 3 января 2024 19:33

Im not sure this is the good one because Efimy is missing. He was born around 1778. In 1793, he should be 15
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>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя OlgaKob от 3 января 2024 19:33

Im not sure this is the good one because Efimy is missing. He was born around 1778. In 1793, he should be 15
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I missed that message.
Well, if Priest Eufimy Nechaev was his brother, then here's 8th (1834) census:
https://yandex.ru/archive/cata...e8bb2b/281

It says he had a son named Alexander (born circa 1807), who taught at the Moscow Clerical Academy.
Alexander's personal file: https://yandex.ru/archive/cata...5d33c0c5/8
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about what you found, this is a bit weird because for the Census Efimy was 37 years old therefore born around 1797 and Aleksandr 27 in 1831/32 therefore born around 1804-1805. The parentage cannot be good
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No, Eufimy was born circa 1778. By 1805 he was 27.
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Oh I got it. I took the wrong age so it's good now. Efimy has 4 children now. He must have others given the age gap between the first and the second maybe two born around 1810-14

I hadn't even seen Vasily and Pavel underneath neither Anna on the right...

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