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Looking For A Marriage Record

Looking for a marriage record in Russian Empire

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FuranNietchaieff

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I also told myself that confessional sheets were rather interesting for finding families. So I could use it to find Vasily Nechaev's sheets with Mikhail as a child.
So far I haven't found anything.
It seems that Mikhail was born around 1788 then married in 1810 so in theory during this period I should find him with his father and mother.
I found the confessional sheets for the Nikitsky Church in 1805 at this link: https://yandex.ru/archive/cata...1bbebd3645
What are the chances of me finding it in there? If Mikhail and his children appeared in the confessions of the Nikitsky Church, what are the chances of him and his parents appearing there too?
and if the Nechaev are not in the confessional sheets of the Nikitsky church how can I find the correct archives? Because when searching for "Vasily Nechaev, Moscow" in Russian are something like that in yandex found no results
siadeblanc

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FuranNietchaieff íàïèñàë:
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At the same time, I put some order into all the research and ended up understanding something. Every year at the Nikitsky Church, in the confessional sheets the families had to appear. For now, I have the years 1828, 1829, 1837, 1840, 1848 and 1850. There is a big gap between 1829 and 1837. Is it possible that the Nechaev are not in these declarations? Do I have to search the 800 pages of each year to find them?
I'm quite a perfectionist, I like to have all the documents relating to my ancestors even if it doesn't really help me advance in genealogy.
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Hi, you should look into The Church of the Nativity of the Virgin at Butyrki (öåðêîâü Ðîæäåñòâà Áîãîðîäèöû íà Áóòûðêàõ). Nechaev family was in this parish (look the confessional sheets that Atkara-EV previously found for you). Nikitsky Sorok is a group of churches no need to look into all 800 pages of them just find church in Butyrki. It should be noted that not all documents have survived time.
You should also know that the surname was not always recorded in the documents. Sometimes only the first and patronymic names were at such documents.
And one more thing - it is possible that Nechaev family before 1810 lived somewhere else or was parishioners of other parish.
siadeblanc

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>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ FuranNietchaieff îò 11 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2023 1:12

can't find Church at Butyrki in this confessional sheets
FuranNietchaieff

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Ah, I understand now! Thank you for explaining. I'll make sure to take note of this for my upcoming research. I'm gradually gaining insight into how things operated in Russia during that period.
FuranNietchaieff

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Great! I finally find another confessionel sheets, the 1830 one: https://yandex.ru/archive/cata...%B4%D0%B0.

It's a bit strange though, that I can't find Konstantin in 1830. He should be around 3 years old.

Atkara-EV

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It's a bit strange though, that I can't find Konstantin in 1830. He should be around 3 years old.
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Age error in the records was about 2-3 years. Konstantin hasn't been born yet or was a newborn.
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FuranNietchaieff

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Atkara-EV íàïèñàë:
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FuranNietchaieff íàïèñàë:
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It's a bit strange though, that I can't find Konstantin in 1830. He should be around 3 years old.
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Age error in the records was about 2-3 years. Konstantin hasn't been born yet or was a newborn.
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I need to find more confessional sheets. Normally, Grigory was born in 1831 and Stefan in 1829. For all the following confessional, Konstantin is older than Stefan and Grigory...
OlgaKob

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FuranNietchaieff íàïèñàë:
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Hello everyone.
I'm back after a few vacations. I didn't quite understand the debate. I had the impression that it revolved around a word concerning Jankel Gurin. What do I ultimately understand?
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Hello. It was about the translation of the word 'ìåùàíèí" (meschanin), because some users went for 'tradesman' or even 'bourgeois', while I chose 'burgher' as a historical equivalent of a city community member, which is closer to the Russian term, in my opinion. And it had finally sparked off a little debate.
As, meschanin in Russia (plural, meschane) was a social estate of town/city dwellers, but as it was a legal status (i.e., in law and with certain duties and rights), not an occupation (since, people of different social estate could reside in towns), so we had some discussion of whether words like 'tradesman' are appropriate.

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Well, there's a Wiki page on the Russian 'social estates' in English.
Any translation of any foreign historical term is for debate, but I hope it will shed some light on the social system your ancestry lived in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ian_Empire
FuranNietchaieff

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>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ OlgaKob îò 11 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2023 20:26

The term may be bourgeois because on the JewishGen site which lists most Jews in the world, they often specify petty bourgeois. It might have a link.
FuranNietchaieff

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I have one last question. I still have the impression that I have to look at the Nikitsky churches but between 1831 and 1837, there was no longer a Nikitsky archive. What does that mean exactly? The archives have not been digitized? Or do I have to look in others?
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