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How can I find traces of my great uncle Julius Zabransky?

My great uncle Julius Zabransky lived in Leningrad for a few years in 1934-1936. He arrived as a political refugee from Austria, later to be arrested and deported. I am looking for evidence of his stay and what I believe was his marriage and newborn child

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Ìîäåðàòîð: Andrey Maslennikov
herrtun
Íîâè÷îê

Steinkjer, Norway
Ñîîáùåíèé: 10
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2021 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 1
>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ Helen V îò 12 ôåâðàëÿ 2022 3:26

Àðõèâ â Íåâèííîìûññêå äàë ìíå áûñòðûé îòâåò, íî áåçóñïåøíî. Ãîâîðÿò, ÷òî äîêóìåíòû, â êîòîðûõ óïîìèíàåòñÿ Çàáðàíñêîãî Þëèóñà Þëèóñîâè÷à, îñâîáîæäåíû îò îãëàñêè â ñèëó ñåêðåòíîñòè.
Åñòü ëè ñïîñîáû ïîèñêà ïîãèáøèõ â Íåâèííîìûññêå áåç êàêèõ-ëèáî îãðàíè÷åíèé íà ïîèñê? Ðàç îí óïîìèíàåòñÿ â ýòîì àðõèâå, íåëüçÿ ëè óçíàòü ÷òî-íèáóäü î ñìåðòè â àðõèâå èëè â íåêðîëîãå?
Helen V

Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 6647
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2016 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 2860

herrtun íàïèñàë:
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Åñòü ëè ñïîñîáû ïîèñêà ïîãèáøèõ â Íåâèííîìûññêå áåç êàêèõ-ëèáî îãðàíè÷åíèé íà ïîèñê?
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Íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíÿëà, ýòî íå äåëà ïîãèáøèõ, à íåâîñòðåáîâàííûå òðóäîâûå êíèæêè. Âðîäå êàê ÷åëîâåê óâîëèëñÿ, à òðóäîâóþ êíèæêó íå çàáðàë.
Ïîñêîëüêó ýòîìó äåëó ìåíüøå 75 ëåò, ïîëó÷èòü èç íåãî ñâåäåíèÿ áåç äîêóìåíòîâ î ðîäñòâå áóäåò çàòðóäíèòåëüíî. Íî ó âàñ âåäü åñòü äîêóìåíòû î ðîäñòâå, âåðíî?
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Ïëàí íà ýòó íåäåëþ: ïí - ÖÈÀÌ/ÃÀÐÔ, âò ÐÃÀÝ/ÖÈÀÌ, ñð ÐÃÂÈÀ/ÃÀÐÔ
nemo_65

Ñîîáùåíèé: 454
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 310

herrtun íàïèñàë:
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>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ Helen V îò 12 ôåâðàëÿ 2022 3:26

Àðõèâ â Íåâèííîìûññêå äàë ìíå áûñòðûé îòâåò, íî áåçóñïåøíî. Ãîâîðÿò, ÷òî äîêóìåíòû, â êîòîðûõ óïîìèíàåòñÿ Çàáðàíñêîãî Þëèóñà Þëèóñîâè÷à, îñâîáîæäåíû îò îãëàñêè â ñèëó ñåêðåòíîñòè.
Åñòü ëè ñïîñîáû ïîèñêà ïîãèáøèõ â Íåâèííîìûññêå áåç êàêèõ-ëèáî îãðàíè÷åíèé íà ïîèñê? Ðàç îí óïîìèíàåòñÿ â ýòîì àðõèâå, íåëüçÿ ëè óçíàòü ÷òî-íèáóäü î ñìåðòè â àðõèâå èëè â íåêðîëîãå?
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Can you please provide the Russian text of the letter you received for more clarification. To me, it doesn't make sense that the documents are "classified" (back translated from what you posted). If they are listed in an online catalog, they can not be classified by definition. As was suggested, documents containing personal information that are less than 75 years old can only be accessed if you can prove that you are related by blood.
Helen V

Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 6647
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2016 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 2860

nemo_65 íàïèñàë:
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If they are listed in an online catalog, they can not be classified by definition.
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Ìíîãèå íåâûäàâàåìûå äîêóìåíòû åñòü â îíëàéí-êàòàëîãàõ è îïèñÿõ.
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Ïëàí íà ýòó íåäåëþ: ïí - ÖÈÀÌ/ÃÀÐÔ, âò ÐÃÀÝ/ÖÈÀÌ, ñð ÐÃÂÈÀ/ÃÀÐÔ
nemo_65

Ñîîáùåíèé: 454
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 310

Helen V íàïèñàë:
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nemo_65 íàïèñàë:
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If they are listed in an online catalog, they can not be classified by definition.
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Ìíîãèå íåâûäàâàåìûå äîêóìåíòû åñòü â îíëàéí-êàòàëîãàõ è îïèñÿõ.
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õîòåëîñü áû ïîñìîòðåòü êàê ýòî áûëî îáúÿñíåíî â îðèãèíàëüíîì òåêñòå
herrtun
Íîâè÷îê

Steinkjer, Norway
Ñîîáùåíèé: 10
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2021 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 1

Helen V íàïèñàë:
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Ïîñêîëüêó ýòîìó äåëó ìåíüøå 75 ëåò, ïîëó÷èòü èç íåãî ñâåäåíèÿ áåç äîêóìåíòîâ î ðîäñòâå áóäåò çàòðóäíèòåëüíî. Íî ó âàñ âåäü åñòü äîêóìåíòû î ðîäñòâå, âåðíî?
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Ñåìåéíûå äîêóìåíòû ó ìåíÿ ïîêà íå ïîäòâåðæäåíû, òàê êàê åùå íå ïîëó÷åíû äîêóìåíòû î áðàêå è äîêóìåíòû î ðîæäåíèè èç Ëåíèíãðàäà. Ó ìåíÿ åñòü èíôîðìàöèÿ èç ïèñåì ìåæäó ðàçëè÷íûìè àâñòðèéñêèìè âëàñòÿìè, è îíè ÿâëÿþòñÿ ëèøü êîñâåííûì ñâèäåòåëüñòâîì ñåìüè. Âîò è ïðèõîäèòñÿ îõîòèòüñÿ çà òåì, ÷òî íå îãðàíè÷èâàåòñÿ ïðèâàòíîñòüþ.
herrtun
Íîâè÷îê

Steinkjer, Norway
Ñîîáùåíèé: 10
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2021 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 1
>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ nemo_65 îò 26 ôåâðàëÿ 2022 1:2
Âîò îòâåò èç àðõèâà:

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Ðàññìîòðåâ Âàøå îáðàùåíèå î ïðåäîñòàâëåíèè ïðèêàçîâ ïî ëè÷íîìó ñîñòàâó, ïåðñîíàëüíûõ êàðòî÷åê ñîòðóäíèêîâ è íåâîñòðåáîâàííûõ òðóäîâûõ êíèæåê â îòíîøåíèè Çàáðàíñêîãî Þëèóñà Þëèóñîâè÷à àðõèâíûé îòäåë àäìèíèñòðàöèè ãîðîäà Íåâèííîìûññêà Ñòàâðîïîëüñêîãî êðàÿ ñîîáùàåò, ÷òî óêàçàííûå â îáðàùåíèè äîêóìåíòû ñîäåðæàò ïåðñîíàëüíûå äàííûå è èõ ïðåäîñòàâëåíèå ðåãóëèðóåòñÿ Ôåäåðàëüíûì çàêîíîì îò 27.07.2006 ¹ 152-ÔÇ «Î ïåðñîíàëüíûõ äàííûõ» è àäìèíèñòðàòèâíûì ðåãëàìåíòîì ïðåäîñòàâëåíèÿ àðõèâíûì îòäåëîì àäìèíèñòðàöèè ãîðîäà Íåâèííîìûññêà ìóíèöèïàëüíîé óñëóãè ïî èíôîðìàöèîííîìó îáåñïå÷åíèþ ãðàæäàí, îðãàíèçàöèé è îáùåñòâåííûõ îáúåäèíåíèé ïî äîêóìåíòàì àðõèâíîãî ôîíäà Ðîññèéñêîé Ôåäåðàöèè è äðóãèì àðõèâíûì äîêóìåíòàì, îòíîñÿùèìñÿ ê ìóíèöèïàëüíîé ñîáñòâåííîñòè è íàõîäÿùèìñÿ íå õðàíåíèè â ìóíèöèïàëüíîì àðõèâå, óòâåðæäåííûì ïîñòàíîâëåíèåì àäìèíèñòðàöèè ãîðîäà Íåâèííîìûññêà îò 23.01.2020 ¹ 35 .
 ñîîòâåòñòâèè ñ ýòèì äëÿ ïðåäîñòàâëåíèÿ óñëóãè íåîáõîäèìî ïèñüìåííîå îáðàùåíèå çàÿâèòåëÿ, â êîòîðîì äîëæíî áûòü óêàçàíî:
íàèìåíîâàíèå àðõèâíîãî îòäåëà ëèáî äîëæíîñòü, ôàìèëèÿ, èìÿ, îò÷åñòâî ñîîòâåòñòâóþùåãî äîëæíîñòíîãî ëèöà, êîòîðîìó îíî àäðåñîâàíî;
íàèìåíîâàíèå îáðàòèâøåãîñÿ þðèäè÷åñêîãî ëèöà (äëÿ ãðàæäàí - ôàìèëèÿ, èìÿ è îò÷åñòâî);
ïî÷òîâûé è/èëè ýëåêòðîííûé àäðåñ çàÿâèòåëÿ;
èíòåðåñóþùèå çàÿâèòåëÿ ñâåäåíèÿ;
ëè÷íàÿ ïîäïèñü (ïðîñòàÿ ýëåêòðîííàÿ ïîäïèñü) ðóêîâîäèòåëÿ îðãàíèçàöèè, ãðàæäàíèíà;
äàòà îòïðàâëåíèÿ îáðàùåíèÿ.
Çàÿâèòåëü ïðè îáðàùåíèè â àðõèâíûé îòäåë ïðåäîñòàâëÿåò:
ïàñïîðò ëèáî èíîé äîêóìåíò, óäîñòîâåðÿþùèé ëè÷íîñòü;
äîêóìåíò, ïîäòâåðæäàþùèé ïîëíîìî÷èÿ ïðåäñòàâèòåëÿ çàÿâèòåëÿ;
äîêóìåíò, ïîäòâåðæäàþùèé ñîãëàñèå ëèöà, íå ÿâëÿþùåãîñÿ çàÿâèòåëåì, èëè åãî çàêîííîãî ïðåäñòàâèòåëÿ íà îáðàáîòêó ïåðñîíàëüíûõ äàííûõ óêàçàííîãî ëèöà â ñëó÷àå, åñëè äëÿ ïðåäîñòàâëåíèÿ ìóíèöèïàëüíîé óñëóãè íåîáõîäèìà îáðàáîòêà åãî ïåðñîíàëüíûõ äàííûõ.
À òàêæå â ñîîòâåòñòâèè ñ Ôåäåðàëüíûì çàêîíîì îò 27.07.2006 ¹ 152-ÔÇ «Î ïåðñîíàëüíûõ äàííûõ», â ñëó÷àå ñìåðòè ñóáúåêòà ïåðñîíàëüíûõ äàííûõ ñîãëàñèå íà îáðàáîòêó åãî ïåðñîíàëüíûõ äàííûõ äàþò íàñëåäíèêè ñóáúåêòà ïåðñîíàëüíûõ äàííûõ, åñëè òàêîå ñîãëàñèå íå áûëî äàíî ñóáúåêòîì ïåðñîíàëüíûõ äàííûõ ïðè åãî æèçíè.
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nemo_65

Ñîîáùåíèé: 454
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 310

herrtun íàïèñàë:
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Helen V íàïèñàë:
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Ïîñêîëüêó ýòîìó äåëó ìåíüøå 75 ëåò, ïîëó÷èòü èç íåãî ñâåäåíèÿ áåç äîêóìåíòîâ î ðîäñòâå áóäåò çàòðóäíèòåëüíî. Íî ó âàñ âåäü åñòü äîêóìåíòû î ðîäñòâå, âåðíî?
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Ñåìåéíûå äîêóìåíòû ó ìåíÿ ïîêà íå ïîäòâåðæäåíû, òàê êàê åùå íå ïîëó÷åíû äîêóìåíòû î áðàêå è äîêóìåíòû î ðîæäåíèè èç Ëåíèíãðàäà. Ó ìåíÿ åñòü èíôîðìàöèÿ èç ïèñåì ìåæäó ðàçëè÷íûìè àâñòðèéñêèìè âëàñòÿìè, è îíè ÿâëÿþòñÿ ëèøü êîñâåííûì ñâèäåòåëüñòâîì ñåìüè. Âîò è ïðèõîäèòñÿ îõîòèòüñÿ çà òåì, ÷òî íå îãðàíè÷èâàåòñÿ ïðèâàòíîñòüþ.
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I have a similar case when I don't have direct proof of family relationship to my aunt because her brother (my father) was adopted after the war and his family name as well as patronymic were changed. However, I do have some indirect proof that I was able to collect from various archives, predominantly in the form of proof of residence in Leningrad before, during and after the war. And in many cases, archives are willing to accept that as proof of family relationship.
Ëàéê (1)
herrtun
Íîâè÷îê

Steinkjer, Norway
Ñîîáùåíèé: 10
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2021 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 1

herrtun íàïèñàë:
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>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ Helen V îò 29 äåêàáðÿ 2021 23:24

FSB-archives have informed me by email today that their reply is sent through the post via the foreign ministry.Hoping they are releasing relevant information. Thank you for your guidance.
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Yesterday the FSB-archives' letter arrived. As well as providing more detailed information on the charges against him, their files confirm my suspicions. Julius Zabransky was married to Nina Richardovna Zabranskaya (née Bush) and had a son named Julius. His wife was sentenced to five years imprisonment for espionage, after being arrested in July 1941. In 1958 the sentence was reversed.

Due to the ongoing war in Ukraine, I have been forced to postphone my research in Russia. Come more peaceful times, I do hope I can resume this research and discover the destiny of Nina and Julius Juliusovitch
Ëàéê (3)
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