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Âíèç ⇊

von Wiesen family in St Petersburgh

research of my maternal side relatives

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Ìîäåðàòîð: Andrey Maslennikov
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Leontiya íàïèñàë:
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TsGIA SPb. Fund 556. Inventory 1. Case 340
1911 – undated
Von Wiesen A.V.
PEDAGOGICAL COURSES AT THE PETROGRAD FREBEL SOCIETY TO PROMOTE PRIMARY EDUCATION. PETROGRAD. 1872-1918. / Pedagogical courses at the Petrograd Frebel Society to promote initial education / personal affairs of listeners and volunteers /
Not digitized

TsGIA SPb. Fund 468. Inventory 1. Case 58
03.03.1911–16.05.1913
Vasilievsky N.G., Weintrob-Gerenstein R.S., Fon-Wiesen A.V., Volobueva I.M., Volobueva P.M.
PETROGRAD INSTITUTE OF HIGHER COMMERCIAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE SOCIETY FOR PROMOTING HIGHER COMMERCIAL EDUCATION. PETROGRAD. 1897-1917. / Receipts 1911
Not digitized
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ÖÃÈÀ ÑÏá. Ôîíä 556. Îïèñü 1. Äåëî 340
1911–áåç äàòû
Ôîí Âèçåí À.Â.
ÏÅÄÀÃÎÃÈ×ÅÑÊÈÅ ÊÓÐÑÛ ÏÐÈ ÏÅÒÐÎÃÐÀÄÑÊÎÌ ÔÐÅÁÅËÅÂÑÊÎÌ ÎÁÙÅÑÒÂÅ ÄËß ÑÎÄÅÉÑÒÂÈß ÏÅÐÂÎÍÀ×ÀËÜÍÎÌÓ ÂÎÑÏÈÒÀÍÈÞ. ÏÅÒÐÎÃÐÀÄ. 1872–1918. / Ïåäàãîãè÷åñêèå êóðñû ïðè Ïåòðîãðàäñêîì Ôðåáåëåâñêîì îáùåñòâå äëÿ ñîäåéñòâèÿ ïåðâîíà÷àëüíîìó âîñïèòàíèþ /ëè÷íûå äåëà ñëóøàòåëüíèö è âîëüíîñëóøàòåëüíèö/
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ÖÃÈÀ ÑÏá. Ôîíä 468. Îïèñü 1. Äåëî 58
03.03.1911–16.05.1913
Âàñèëüåâñêîãî Í.Ã., Âàéíòðîá-Ãåðåíøòåéíà Ð.Ñ., Ôîí-Âèçåíà À.Â., Âîëîáóåâà È.Ì., Âîëîáóåâà Ï.Ì.
ÏÅÒÐÎÃÐÀÄÑÊÈÉ ÈÍÑÒÈÒÓÒ ÂÛÑØÈÕ ÊÎÌÌÅÐ×ÅÑÊÈÕ ÇÍÀÍÈÉ ÎÁÙÅÑÒÂÀ ÑÎÄÅÉÑÒÂÈß ÂÛÑØÅÌÓ ÊÎÌÌÅÐ×ÅÑÊÎÌÓ ÎÁÐÀÇÎÂÀÍÈÞ. ÏÅÒÐÎÃÐÀÄ. 1897–1917. / Ïîñòóïëåíèÿ 1911ã.
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Hello, wonder who is this? maybe sister of Arthur Fonvizin? Becuse it has "Ôîí-âèçåíà À.Â." exactly meaning a female . I just got information that Arthur Fonvizin had son Sergey born in 1936 but unfortenately he has passed away in 2017. I don't know if Sergey had children. Maybe his wife is still alive. I was hoping to find a living relative from Russia ...

Ïðèâåò, èíòåðåñíî, êòî ýòî? ìîæåò áûòü, ñåñòðà Àðòóðà Ôîíâèçèíà? Ïîòîìó ÷òî â íåì åñòü "Ôîí-âèçåíà À.Â." â òî÷íîñòè îçíà÷àåò æåíùèíó. Ìíå òîëüêî ÷òî ñîîáùèëè, ÷òî ó Àðòóðà Ôîíâèçèíà áûë ñûí Ñåðãåé 1936 ãîäà ðîæäåíèÿ, íî, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, îí ñêîí÷àëñÿ â 2017 ãîäó. Íå çíàþ, áûëè ëè ó Ñåðãåÿ äåòè. Ìîæåò, åãî æåíà åùå æèâà. ß íàäåÿëñÿ íàéòè æèâîãî ðîäñòâåííèêà èç Ðîññèè ...
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- Èùó ëþáóþ èíôîðìàöèþ î ñåìüå ôîí Âèçåí â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå, Ìîñêâå èëè Ðèãå. -
-Èùåì ðîäèòåëåé Õóëüäû Ìàðèè Ïðèíö 15.10.1893 Âûáîðã, öåðêîâíûå êíèãè èñ÷åçëè èëè óíè÷òîæåíû èç àðõèâîâ, ìîæåò â ðóññêèõ àðõèâàõ ÷òî-òî îñòàëîñü?
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Hello, does anyone know where I could find email address for author of Fonvizin book. I could try ask if he knows more about this family.

There is example photo of his brother in the book. But I would like to ask which brother it is.


Çäðàâñòâóéòå, à êòî-íèáóäü çíàåò, ãäå ÿ ìîãó íàéòè àäðåñ ýëåêòðîííîé ïî÷òû àâòîðà êíèãè Ôîíâèçèíà. ß ìîãó ñïðîñèòü, çíàåò ëè îí áîëüøå îá ýòîé ñåìüå.

 êíèãå åñòü ïðèìåð ôîòîãðàôèè åãî áðàòà. Íî ÿ õîòåë áû ñïðîñèòü, ÷òî ýòî çà áðàò.

https://www.labirint.ru/books/464662/

https://www.chayka.org/authors/leonid-lerner

https://issuu.com/filippov/docs/binder1
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- Èùó ëþáóþ èíôîðìàöèþ î ñåìüå ôîí Âèçåí â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå, Ìîñêâå èëè Ðèãå. -
-Èùåì ðîäèòåëåé Õóëüäû Ìàðèè Ïðèíö 15.10.1893 Âûáîðã, öåðêîâíûå êíèãè èñ÷åçëè èëè óíè÷òîæåíû èç àðõèâîâ, ìîæåò â ðóññêèõ àðõèâàõ ÷òî-òî îñòàëîñü?
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Hello small update whats going on.

Ïðèâåò íåáîëüøîå îáíîâëåíèå, ÷òî ïðîèñõîäèò.

Dear forum member has promised to help me with this archive:
Óâàæàåìûé ôîðóì÷àíèí ïîîáåùàë ìíå ïîìî÷ü ñ ýòèì àðõèâîì:

http://opisi.garf.su/default.a...lo=5935828
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Then I have query to Yaroslavl region archive, they promised to send my offer of copying this:
Ïîòîì ó ìåíÿ çàïðîñ â àðõèâ ßðîñëàâñêîé îáëàñòè, îáåùàëè ïðèñëàòü ìîå ïðåäëîæåíèå ñêîïèðîâàòü âîò ýòî:


https://af.yar-archives.ru/archive1/unit/10000686699

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Then I got some email address for Leonid Lerner the author of Artur Fonvizin book. I am waiting if he answer.
Ïîòîì ÿ ïîëó÷èë ýëåêòðîííûé àäðåñ Ëåîíèäà Ëåðíåðà, àâòîðà êíèãè Àðòóðà Ôîíâèçèíà. Æäó, åñëè îí îòâåòèò.


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Also got answer for this
Òàêæå ïîëó÷èë îòâåò íà ýòî

https://arch.mosreg.ru/object/172578862 , this has been destroyed by the Law from 28.10.1992


Âàø çàïðîñ îò 02.06.2021 ã. ðàññìîòðåí. Ïî âîïðîñó ïðåäîñòàâëåíèÿ êîïèè çàïðàøèâàåìîãî Âàìè äîêóìåíòà ñîîáùàåì, ÷òî Ä. 4131, Îï. 4, Ô. 4557 óíè÷òîæåíî ñîãëàñíî Àêòó îá óíè÷òîæåíèè îò 28. 10. 1992 ã..


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Otherwise I am little bit stuck now at this research.

 ïðîòèâíîì ñëó÷àå ÿ íåìíîãî çàñòðÿë â ýòîì èññëåäîâàíèè.



rgds Antti
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- Èùó ëþáóþ èíôîðìàöèþ î ñåìüå ôîí Âèçåí â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå, Ìîñêâå èëè Ðèãå. -
-Èùåì ðîäèòåëåé Õóëüäû Ìàðèè Ïðèíö 15.10.1893 Âûáîðã, öåðêîâíûå êíèãè èñ÷åçëè èëè óíè÷òîæåíû èç àðõèâîâ, ìîæåò â ðóññêèõ àðõèâàõ ÷òî-òî îñòàëîñü?
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Got contact to Artur Fonvizin book author Leonid Lerner , but unfortunately he doesnt know much and has lost the connection to the family and Sergey Fonvizin is dead. I try to still find his wife she might still be alive.


Óñòàíîâèë êîíòàêò ñ àâòîðîì êíèãè Àðòóðà Ôîíâèçèíà Ëåîíèäîì Ëåðíåðîì, íî, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, îí ìàëî ÷òî çíàåò, ïîòåðÿë ñâÿçü ñ ñåìüåé, è Ñåðãåé Ôîíâèçèí ìåðòâ. ß âñå åùå ïûòàþñü íàéòè åãî æåíó, âîçìîæíî, îíà åùå æèâà.


antti
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- Èùó ëþáóþ èíôîðìàöèþ î ñåìüå ôîí Âèçåí â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå, Ìîñêâå èëè Ðèãå. -
-Èùåì ðîäèòåëåé Õóëüäû Ìàðèè Ïðèíö 15.10.1893 Âûáîðã, öåðêîâíûå êíèãè èñ÷åçëè èëè óíè÷òîæåíû èç àðõèâîâ, ìîæåò â ðóññêèõ àðõèâàõ ÷òî-òî îñòàëîñü?
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Hello got picture from Russian archive

Çäðàâñòâóéòå, ïîëó÷èë êàðòèíêó èç àðõèâà Ðîññèè


This is Karl August von Wiesen born 05. November 1878 Sankt Petersburg

Ýòî Êàðë Àâãóñò ôîí Âèçåí, ðîäèâøèéñÿ 5 íîÿáðÿ 1878 ãîäà, Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã.


I am still searching his wife and daughters details (born around 1904 and 1906, Moskow I think)

ß âñå åùå èùó äàííûå î åãî æåíå è äî÷åðÿõ (ðîäèâøèõñÿ ïðèìåðíî â 1904 è 1906 ãîäàõ, ÿ äóìàþ, â Ìîñêâå)

Ïðèêðåïëåííûé ôàéë: ÃÀ ÐÔ 1742-1-44522-1-Enhanced2.jpg
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- Èùó ëþáóþ èíôîðìàöèþ î ñåìüå ôîí Âèçåí â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå, Ìîñêâå èëè Ðèãå. -
-Èùåì ðîäèòåëåé Õóëüäû Ìàðèè Ïðèíö 15.10.1893 Âûáîðã, öåðêîâíûå êíèãè èñ÷åçëè èëè óíè÷òîæåíû èç àðõèâîâ, ìîæåò â ðóññêèõ àðõèâàõ ÷òî-òî îñòàëîñü?
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Hello we managed to find Karl's wife and his wife's parents. Also was document that says Karl has been living still in 1951 in address Gorky street 37b apt 1. Moskow.

3rd of June 1902, marriage certificate. Married in Moscow Aleksey church in Malaya Alekseevskaya street. Student Karl v Wiesen to Nadezhda Rusinova, home teacher and Zuev primary school teacher, 25 years old, orthodox religion

Metric book of village Pokrovskoye, Pokrovskaya volost, Moscow uezd has the following record #16 from 1876: "29th of July Nadezhda was born, christened 1st of August, parents are Village Pekhra (Ïåõðà) Pokrov church deacon Ivan Egorov Rusinov and his lawful wife Anna Kirilova. Witnesses: Moscow citizen Semen Mikhailov Shuvalov and Kursk gubernia, Timskiy uezd, Krasnaya Dolina village peasant maid Anna Ippolitova. Priest Mikhail Istrin

https://cgamos.ru/metric-books/2122/2122-3/2122_3_5/

pages 150 and 151


Still trying to find her daughters who were born around 1904 and 1906.


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Çäðàâñòâóéòå, íàì óäàëîñü íàéòè æåíó Êàðëà è ðîäèòåëåé åãî æåíû. Òàêæå áûë äîêóìåíò, ñîãëàñíî êîòîðîìó Êàðë ïðîæèâàë åùå â 1951 ãîäó ïî àäðåñó óëèöà Ãîðüêîãî 37á êâ 1. Ìîñêâà.

3 èþíÿ 1902 ã., ñâèäåòåëüñòâî î áðàêå. Æåíèëñÿ â Ìîñêâå â Àëåêñååâñêîé öåðêâè íà Ìàëîé Àëåêñååâñêîé óëèöå. Ñòóäåíò Êàðë ôîí Âèçåí Íàäåæäå Ðóñèíîâîé, äîìàøíåìó ó÷èòåëþ è ó÷èòåëþ íà÷àëüíûõ êëàññîâ Çóåâ, 25 ëåò, ïðàâîñëàâíàÿ ðåëèãèÿ

Ìåòðè÷åñêàÿ êíèæêà ñåëà Ïîêðîâñêîå Âîëîñòè Ïîêðîâñêàÿ Ìîñêîâñêîãî óåçäà èìååò ñëåäóþùóþ çàïèñü ¹16 îò 1876 ãîäà: «29 èþëÿ ðîäèëàñü Íàäåæäà, êðåùåíà 1 àâãóñòà, ðîäèòåëè ñåëî Ïåõðà (Ïåõðà) Ïîêðîâñêèé öåðêîâíûé äèàêîí Èâàí Åãîðîâ Ðóñèíîâ è åãî çàêîííàÿ æåíà. Àííà Êèðèëîâà Ñâèäåòåëè: ìîñêâè÷ Ñåìåí Ìèõàéëîâ Øóâàëîâ è Êóðñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ, Òèìñêèé óåçä, äåðåâíÿ Êðàñíàÿ Äîëèíà êðåñòüÿíñêàÿ ãîðíè÷íàÿ Àííà Èïïîëèòîâà, èåðåé Ìèõàèë Èñòðèí

https://cgamos.ru/metric-books/2122/2122-3/2122_3_5/

ñòðàíèöû 150 è 151


Âñå åùå ïûòàåòñÿ íàéòè ñâîèõ äî÷åðåé, ðîäèâøèõñÿ ïðèìåðíî â 1904 è 1906 ãîäàõ.

Ïðèêðåïëåííûé ôàéë: firefox_JxnlUfhqjq.pngfirefox_W9EF1DjchC.png, 34564 áàéò
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- Èùó ëþáóþ èíôîðìàöèþ î ñåìüå ôîí Âèçåí â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå, Ìîñêâå èëè Ðèãå. -
-Èùåì ðîäèòåëåé Õóëüäû Ìàðèè Ïðèíö 15.10.1893 Âûáîðã, öåðêîâíûå êíèãè èñ÷åçëè èëè óíè÷òîæåíû èç àðõèâîâ, ìîæåò â ðóññêèõ àðõèâàõ ÷òî-òî îñòàëîñü?
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Ïîëó÷èë ñåãîäíÿ ýòîò äîêóìåíò. Îíà ñåñòðà Àðòóðà Ôîíâèçèíà. Ðîäèëñÿ 24 àïðåëÿ 1888 ãîäà â Òóëå. Àííà-Ëóèçà-Ìàðèÿ ôîí Âèçåí


ÖÃÈÀ ÑÏá. Ôîíä 556. Îïèñü 1. Äåëî 340



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ÖÃÈÀ ÑÏá. Ôîíä 556. Îïèñü 1. Äåëî 340
1911–áåç äàòû
Ôîí Âèçåí À.Â.
ÏÅÄÀÃÎÃÈ×ÅÑÊÈÅ ÊÓÐÑÛ ÏÐÈ ÏÅÒÐÎÃÐÀÄÑÊÎÌ ÔÐÅÁÅËÅÂÑÊÎÌ ÎÁÙÅÑÒÂÅ ÄËß ÑÎÄÅÉÑÒÂÈß ÏÅÐÂÎÍÀ×ÀËÜÍÎÌÓ ÂÎÑÏÈÒÀÍÈÞ. ÏÅÒÐÎÃÐÀÄ. 1872–1918. / Ïåäàãîãè÷åñêèå êóðñû ïðè Ïåòðîãðàäñêîì Ôðåáåëåâñêîì îáùåñòâå äëÿ ñîäåéñòâèÿ ïåðâîíà÷àëüíîìó âîñïèòàíèþ /ëè÷íûå äåëà ñëóøàòåëüíèö è âîëüíîñëóøàòåëüíèö/
Íå îöèôðîâàíî

ÖÃÈÀ ÑÏá. Ôîíä 468. Îïèñü 1. Äåëî 58
03.03.1911–16.05.1913
Âàñèëüåâñêîãî Í.Ã., Âàéíòðîá-Ãåðåíøòåéíà Ð.Ñ., Ôîí-Âèçåíà À.Â., Âîëîáóåâà È.Ì., Âîëîáóåâà Ï.Ì.
ÏÅÒÐÎÃÐÀÄÑÊÈÉ ÈÍÑÒÈÒÓÒ ÂÛÑØÈÕ ÊÎÌÌÅÐ×ÅÑÊÈÕ ÇÍÀÍÈÉ ÎÁÙÅÑÒÂÀ ÑÎÄÅÉÑÒÂÈß ÂÛÑØÅÌÓ ÊÎÌÌÅÐ×ÅÑÊÎÌÓ ÎÁÐÀÇÎÂÀÍÈÞ. ÏÅÒÐÎÃÐÀÄ. 1897–1917. / Ïîñòóïëåíèÿ 1911ã.
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Ïðèêðåïëåííûé ôàéë: firefox_AV3hAvu7Sl.pngfirefox_6xuJDJPAeV.png, 87229 áàéò
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- Èùó ëþáóþ èíôîðìàöèþ î ñåìüå ôîí Âèçåí â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå, Ìîñêâå èëè Ðèãå. -
-Èùåì ðîäèòåëåé Õóëüäû Ìàðèè Ïðèíö 15.10.1893 Âûáîðã, öåðêîâíûå êíèãè èñ÷åçëè èëè óíè÷òîæåíû èç àðõèâîâ, ìîæåò â ðóññêèõ àðõèâàõ ÷òî-òî îñòàëîñü?
Antti69

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Hello anyone able to say what its saying in this this picture

its entry in 1915 list of land management ministry personnel, containing Woldemar von Wiesen. the abbreviations are title, medal? (Anna 3rd degree?), institute, faith, marriage status. What are those years?

Ïðèâåò, êòî ìîæåò ñêàçàòü, ÷òî ýòî

ýòî èçîáðàæåíèå - çàïèñü â ñïèñêå ñîòðóäíèêîâ ìèíèñòåðñòâà çåìëåïîëüçîâàíèÿ çà 1915 ãîä, ñîäåðæàùåì Âîëüäåìàðà. àááðåâèàòóðû òèòóë, ìåäàëü? (Àííà 3-ÿ ñòåïåíü?), Èíñòèòóò, âåðà, ñåìåéíîå ïîëîæåíèå. ×òî ýòî çà ãîäû?

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- Èùó ëþáóþ èíôîðìàöèþ î ñåìüå ôîí Âèçåí â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå, Ìîñêâå èëè Ðèãå. -
-Èùåì ðîäèòåëåé Õóëüäû Ìàðèè Ïðèíö 15.10.1893 Âûáîðã, öåðêîâíûå êíèãè èñ÷åçëè èëè óíè÷òîæåíû èç àðõèâîâ, ìîæåò â ðóññêèõ àðõèâàõ ÷òî-òî îñòàëîñü?
Òåðñèíåö

ã. Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã, ã. Ïóøêèí
Ñîîáùåíèé: 15813
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 28397

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Ãîä îêîí÷àíèÿ ó÷åáíîãî çàâåäåíèÿ, ãîä ïîñòóïëåíèÿ íà ñëóæáó â Ìèíèñòåðñòâî, ñ êàêîãî ãîäà â íàñòîÿùåé äîëæíîñòè, êîãäà óäîñòîåí ÷èíà íàäâîðíîãî ñîâåòíèêà, êîãäà óäîñòîåí îðäåíà Ñâ. Àííû 3-é ñòåïåíè.
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Òåðñèíåö

ã. Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã, ã. Ïóøêèí
Ñîîáùåíèé: 15813
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 28397
ÐÃÈÀ, ôîíä 387, îïèñü 24, äåëî 1696
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