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Âíèç ⇊

von Wiesen family in St Petersburgh

research of my maternal side relatives

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Ìîäåðàòîð: Andrey Maslennikov
Antti69

Antti69

Helsinki - Õåëüñèíêè
Ñîîáùåíèé: 105
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2020 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 36
okay I ordered these 3 documents below , hope there is some info.


Øèôð
Ô. 789 Îï. 2 1852 ã. Ä. 15
Íàçâàíèå ôîíäà
ÀÊÀÄÅÌÈß ÕÓÄÎÆÅÑÒÂ ÌÈÄâ
Îïèñü
Ô. 789 Îï. 2
Ðàçäåë îïèñè
1852 ã.
Çàãîëîâîê
Àêàäåìèÿ õóäîæåñòâ Ìèíèñòåðñòâà èìïåðàòîðñêîãî äâîðà. 1852 ã. Ïî îòíîøåíèþ Ëèôëÿíäñêîé êàçåííîé ïàëàòû î ïðèïèñêå äåòåé ôåëüäøåðà Àêàäåìèè Âèçåíà â ïîäàòíîå ñîñëîâèå
Êðàéíèå äàòû
04 ÿíâàðÿ 1852 ã.
Ïîñòîÿííàÿ ññûëêà íà äàííîå îïèñàíèå:
https://rgia.su/object/4218747



Øèôð
Ô. 789 Îï. 2 1857 ã. Ä. 102
Íàçâàíèå ôîíäà
ÀÊÀÄÅÌÈß ÕÓÄÎÆÅÑÒÂ ÌÈÄâ
Îïèñü
Ô. 789 Îï. 2
Ðàçäåë îïèñè
1857 ã.
Çàãîëîâîê
Àêàäåìèÿ õóäîæåñòâ Ìèíèñòåðñòâà èìïåðàòîðñêîãî äâîðà. 1857 ã. Ïî ïðîøåíèþ âäîâû ôåëüäøåðà Âèçåíà î âûäà÷å åé ñ äåòüìè âèäà äëÿ æèòåëüñòâà
Êðàéíèå äàòû
07 îêòÿáðÿ 1857 ã.
Ïîñòîÿííàÿ ññûëêà íà äàííîå îïèñàíèå:
https://rgia.su/object/4219969



Ô. 789 Îï. 2 1854 ã. Ä. 90
Íàçâàíèå ôîíäà
ÀÊÀÄÅÌÈß ÕÓÄÎÆÅÑÒÂ ÌÈÄâ
Îïèñü
Ô. 789 Îï. 2
Ðàçäåë îïèñè
1854 ã.
Çàãîëîâîê
Àêàäåìèÿ õóäîæåñòâ Ìèíèñòåðñòâà èìïåðàòîðñêîãî äâîðà. 1854 ã. Ïî ïðîñüáå ôåëüäøåðà Âèçåíà î âûäà÷å æåíå åãî âèäà äëÿ îòäåëüíîãî îò íåãî æèòåëüñòâî
Êðàéíèå äàòû
21 èþíÿ 1854 ã.
Ïîñòîÿííàÿ ññûëêà íà äàííîå îïèñàíèå:
https://rgia.su/object/4219285
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- Èùó ëþáóþ èíôîðìàöèþ î ñåìüå ôîí Âèçåí â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå, Ìîñêâå èëè Ðèãå. -
-Èùåì ðîäèòåëåé Õóëüäû Ìàðèè Ïðèíö 15.10.1893 Âûáîðã, öåðêîâíûå êíèãè èñ÷åçëè èëè óíè÷òîæåíû èç àðõèâîâ, ìîæåò â ðóññêèõ àðõèâàõ ÷òî-òî îñòàëîñü?
Antti69

Antti69

Helsinki - Õåëüñèíêè
Ñîîáùåíèé: 105
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2020 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 36
Hello again. Im not sure of this but anyone have some time to check this , would it be possible that these two persons are actually the same person?

È ñíîâà çäðàâñòâóéòå. ß íå óâåðåí â ýòîì, íî ó êîãî-íèáóäü åñòü âðåìÿ, ÷òîáû ïðîâåðèòü ýòî, âîçìîæíî ëè, ÷òî ýòè äâà ÷åëîâåêà íà ñàìîì äåëå îäíî è òî æå?


Arthur Wilhelm von Wiesen
Male
Born 30. joulukuuta 1882 Riga, Latvia
Christined 24.04.1883 in St Petersburgh
Parent : Hermann Woldemar von Wiesen Emilie Marie Katharine von Wiesen
and Hermanns father is Carl Friedrich Ferdinand von Wiesen

https://www.geni.com/people/Ar...0306768906


and

Artur Vladimirovich Fonvizin
Father: Voldemar Karlovich von Wiesen
Born 11. tammikuuta 1883 Riga, Latvia and December 30 1882 in the Julian calendar

https://www.geni.com/people/Ar...5761192824
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- Èùó ëþáóþ èíôîðìàöèþ î ñåìüå ôîí Âèçåí â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå, Ìîñêâå èëè Ðèãå. -
-Èùåì ðîäèòåëåé Õóëüäû Ìàðèè Ïðèíö 15.10.1893 Âûáîðã, öåðêîâíûå êíèãè èñ÷åçëè èëè óíè÷òîæåíû èç àðõèâîâ, ìîæåò â ðóññêèõ àðõèâàõ ÷òî-òî îñòàëîñü?
Antti69

Antti69

Helsinki - Õåëüñèíêè
Ñîîáùåíèé: 105
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2020 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 36
Hi again, we determined its most probably the same person. I have merged these two profiles now to the same. This was great find. Some sources in internet say Arhur had siblings also "In addition to him, the family has an older brother and sister. Soon after the birth of their youngest son, the family moved to St. Petersburg."

In myheritage there is one Stillborn von Wiesen born 27.Dec 1882 Saint Pétersbourg with same parents . Wonder how its even possible to birth 2 childrens so fast after another... I havent found this actual church record yet. If anyone has any more information about Artur Fonvizins family would be nice.


Åùå ðàç ïðèâåò, ìû îïðåäåëèëè, ÷òî ýòî, ñêîðåå âñåãî, îäèí è òîò æå ÷åëîâåê ß îáúåäèíèë ýòè äâà ïðîôèëÿ â îäèí. Ýòî áûëà îòëè÷íàÿ íàõîäêà. Íåêîòîðûå èñòî÷íèêè â Èíòåðíåòå ñîîáùàþò, ÷òî ó Àðòóðà áûëè áðàòüÿ è ñåñòðû: «Ïîìèìî íåãî â ñåìüå åñòü ñòàðøèé áðàò è ñåñòðà. Âñêîðå ïîñëå ðîæäåíèÿ ìëàäøåãî ñûíà ñåìüÿ ïåðååõàëà â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã».

 ìîåì íàñëåäèè îäèí ìåðòâîðîæäåííûé ôîí Âèçåí, ðîäèâøèéñÿ 27 äåêàáðÿ 1882 ãîäà â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå, îò îäíèõ ðîäèòåëåé. Èíòåðåñíî, êàê âîîáùå âîçìîæíî ðîäèòü äâóõ äåòåé òàê áûñòðî çà äðóãèì ... ß åùå íå íàøåë ýòó ôàêòè÷åñêóþ öåðêîâíóþ çàïèñü. Áûëî áû íåïëîõî, åñëè ó êîãî-òî åñòü äîïîëíèòåëüíàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ î ñåìüå Àðòóðà Ôîíâèçèíûõ.


thank you
áëàãîäàðþ âàñ

-antti
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- Èùó ëþáóþ èíôîðìàöèþ î ñåìüå ôîí Âèçåí â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå, Ìîñêâå èëè Ðèãå. -
-Èùåì ðîäèòåëåé Õóëüäû Ìàðèè Ïðèíö 15.10.1893 Âûáîðã, öåðêîâíûå êíèãè èñ÷åçëè èëè óíè÷òîæåíû èç àðõèâîâ, ìîæåò â ðóññêèõ àðõèâàõ ÷òî-òî îñòàëîñü?
valcha
https://forum.vgd.ru/349/

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Ñîîáùåíèé: 25444
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2006 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 21653
Àðòóð - Â. Ôîíâèçèí

Ôîíâèçèí Àðòóð Âëàäèìèðîâè÷ (1883 – 1973) Àðòóð Âëàäèìèðîâè÷ Ôîíâèçèí – çíàìåíèòûé ðóññêèé è ñîâåòñêèé æèâîïèñåö-àêâàðåëèñò. Îäèí èç íàèáîëåå ñàìîáûòíûõ ìàñòåðîâ, âûøåäøèõ èç êðóãà «Ìàêîâåö», êîðèôåé àêâàðåëüíîé æèâîïèñè. Ôîíâèçèí áûë âäîõíîâèòåëåì äëÿ öåëîé ïëåÿäû ìîëîäûõ õóäîæíèêîâ-íîíêîíôîðìèñòîâ. Ó÷èëñÿ â ÌÓÆÂÇ ó Ì.Ï. Êëîäòà è Â.Í. Áàêøååâà, çàòåì â ÷àñòíûõ àêàäåìèÿõ â Ìþíõåíå. ×ëåí ÀÕÐÐ, «Îáùåñòâà ìîñêîâñêèõ õóäîæíèêîâ». Ñ êîíöà 1920-õ ãã. ðàáîòàë ïî÷òè èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî â òåõíèêå àêâàðåëè.
Àðòóð Âëàäèìèðîâè÷ Ôîíâèçèí ðîäèëñÿ 11 ÿíâàðÿ 1883 ãîäà â Ðèãå â ñåìüå ÷èíîâíèêà Ëåñíîãî äåïàðòàìåíòà Ìèíèñòåðñòâà ãîñóäàðñòâåííûõ èìóùåñòâ ó÷åíîãî ëåñîâîäà Âîëüäåìàðà Êàðëîâè÷à ôîí Âèçåíà. Ïðè êðåùåíèè â ëþòåðàíñêîé öåðêâè ïîëó÷èë èìÿ Àðòóð Âèëüãåëüì.  1889 åãî îòåö ïîëó÷èë íàçíà÷åíèå â Òóëüñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ. Ñåìüÿ ïåðååçæàåò ïî ìåñòó ñëóæáû îòöà â Òóëó, ãäå ìëàäøåãî ñûíà îïðåäåëÿþò â ïðîãèìíàçèþ. Ñ ñåìèëåòíåãî âîçðàñòà Àðòóð íà÷àë çàíèìàòüñÿ ðèñîâàíèåì. Îòöà ïåðåâîäÿò ïî ñëóæáå âî Âëàäèìèðñêóþ, à çàòåì â Êîñòðîìñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ.  1900 ãîäó ïîñëå ñäà÷è ýêçàìåíîâ Ôîíâèçèí áûë çà÷èñëåí â 3-é õóäîæåñòâåííûé êëàññ Ìîñêîâñêîãî ó÷èëèùà æèâîïèñè, âàÿíèÿ è çîä÷åñòâà. Ôîíâèçèí áûñòðî âîøåë â ó÷åíè÷åñêèå ãðóïïû — è àâàíãàðäèñòñêóþ, ïîä óñëîâíûì ðóêîâîäñòâîì Ìèõàèëà Ëàðèîíîâà, è ñèìâîëèñòñêóþ, ïîä ðóêîâîäñòâîì Ïàâëà Êóçíåöîâà. Îñåíüþ 1903 ãîäà îí ïåðåøåë â ãîëîâíîé æèâîïèñíûé êëàññ. Ó÷èëñÿ ó Ê. Êîðîâèíà è Â. Ñåðîâà.  1904 ãîäó Ëàðèîíîâ è Ôîíâèçèí óñòðîèëè â ó÷åáíîì êëàññå ñàìîâîëüíûé ïîêàç ñâîèõ ðàáîò, êîòîðûå åõèäíî êîììåíòèðîâàë Ñåðãåé Ñóäåéêèí, çà ÷òî îí ïîëó÷èë îò Ôîíâèçèíà â íîñ.
Àðòóð Ôîíâèçèí áûë èñêëþ÷¸í èç ó÷èëèùà âìåñòå ñ Ìèõàèëîì Ëàðèîíîâûì è Ñåðãååì Ñóäåéêèíûì.
Îñîçíàâ íåîáõîäèìîñòü ñåðüåçíîé ïðîôåññèîíàëüíîé ïîäãîòîâêè, â 1904 ãîäó Ôîíâèçèí åäåò â Ìþíõåí, ãäå çàíèìàåòñÿ â ìàñòåðñêîé Ãåéìàíà è Ãàðäíåðà.  Ìþíõåíå â òî âðåìÿ îáîñíîâàëàñü öåëàÿ êîëîíèÿ ðóññêèõ õóäîæíèêîâ (â èõ ÷èñëå Â. Ôàâîðñêèé, Ê. Èñòîìèí è äð.)  1906 ãîäó Ôîíâèçèí âîçâðàùàåòñÿ â Ðîññèþ. Îí æèâåò â äåðåâíå ó ðîäèòåëåé, çàòåì åäåò â Ïåòåðáóðã, ÷òîáû ïðèíÿòü ó÷àñòèå â âûñòàâêå «Ãîëóáàÿ ðîçà». Ïîñëå ýòîãî Ôîíâèçèí âíîâü âîçâðàùàåòñÿ â Ìþíõåí, è ïî äîãîâîðåííîñòè ñ Ëàðèîíîâûì âûñûëàåò íàïèñàííûå â Ìþíõåíå ïðîèçâåäåíèÿ â Ìîñêâó. Ñàì õóäîæíèê â òî âðåìÿ æèë íà ñðåäñòâà, ïîëó÷åííûå îò ïðîäàæè Ëàðèîíîâûì ðàáîò.
 1910 ãîäó Ôîíâèçèí îêîí÷àòåëüíî âåðíóëñÿ â Ðîññèþ, íà÷àë ïðèíèìàòü ó÷àñòèå â âûñòàâêàõ áóáíîâîâàëåòîâöåâ. Æèë îí òîãäà ïîïåðåìåííî â Ìîëîãå ó ðîäèòåëåé, à ïðèåçæàÿ â Ìîñêâó, îñòàíàâëèâàåòñÿ ó Ëàðèîíîâà. Ïðåäîñòàâèë ðàáîòû íà Ðîæäåñòâåíñêóþ àêâàðåëüíóþ âûñòàâêó, îðãàíèçîâàííóþ Ìîñêîâñêèì îáùåñòâîì ëþáèòåëåé àêâàðåëè, è ïîëó÷èë îäîáðèòåëüíûé îòçûâ õóäîæíèêà Â. Ïîëåíîâà.

 1912-ì, Ëàðèîíîâ âêëþ÷àåò 15 ïðîèçâåäåíèé Ôîíâèçèíà â ýêñïîçèöèþ àâàíãàðäíîé âûñòàâêè «Îñëèíûé õâîñò». Íå æåëàÿ àññîöèèðîâàíèÿ ñâîåãî òâîð÷åñòâà ñ àâàíãàðäèñòàìè, Àðòóð Ôîíâèèí ðàçîðâàë îòíîøåíèÿ ñ Ìèõàèëîì Ëàðèîíîâûì. Âñêîðå ïîñëå íà÷àëà ïåðâîé ìèðîâîé âîéíû Ôîíâèçèí óåçæàåò â Òàìáîâñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ. Òàì íà÷èíàåòñÿ íîâûé, ïðîäîëæàþùèéñÿ áîëåå äåñÿòè ëåò, ïåðèîä, êîãäà õóäîæíèê ïèøåò òîëüêî ñ íàòóðû. Âî âðåìÿ ñîáûòèé Îêòÿáðüñêîé ðåâîëþöèè íàõîäèëñÿ â Ìîñêâå. Âìåñòå ñ Êîíñòàíòèíîì Çåôèðîâûì óåçæàåò ê åãî ñåìüå â äåðåâíþ Êàðàíäååâêó Èíæàâèíñêîãî óåçäà Òàìáîâñêîé ãóáåðíèè. Çèìó îíè ïðîâåëè â ëåòíåì äîìèêå â äåðåâíå Çóá÷àíèíîâêå, ãäå ðàáîòàëè ïî ñåìü ÷àñîâ â äåíü íàä ïåéçàæàìè è íàòþðìîðòàìè. Ôîíâèçèí æåíèòñÿ íà êðåñòüÿíñêîé äåâóøêå Åëåíå Íèêîëàåâíå Áîãîìîëîâîé – ðîäíîé ñåñòðå æåíû Çåôèðîâà. Âìåñòå ñ Çåôèðîâûì îðãàíèçóåò êóëüòóðíî-ïðîñâåòèòåëüñêèé êðóæîê äëÿ êàðàíäååâñêèõ äåòåé.

Ñ 1922 ãîäà ó÷àñòâóåò â âûñòàâêàõ îáúåäèíåíèÿ «Ìàêîâåö».  1923 ãîäó Ôîíâèçèí ïðåïîäàåò â íèæåãîðîäñêîì õóäîæåñòâåííîì òåõíèêóìå, çàòåì â 1926-1927 ãîäàõ âíîâü âîçâðàùàåòñÿ â Òàìáîâñêóþ ñòóäèþ èçîáðàçèòåëüíîãî èñêóññòâà.  1927 ãîäó Ôîíâèçèí ïåðååõàë â Ìîñêâó è æèë ó Êîíñòàíòèíà Çåôèðîâà. Ïîçíàêîìèëñÿ ñ õóäîæíèöåé Íàòàëèåé Ìàëêèíîé, ñ êîòîðîé ñâÿçàë ñâîþ äàëüíåéøóþ æèçíü.
Ðàáîòàë äëÿ æóðíàëîâ «Ïèîíåð», «Çîðüêà» è â ãàçåòå «Ãóäîê». Ïåðâàÿ ïåðñîíàëüíàÿ âûñòàâêà ñîñòîÿëàñü â ÃÌÈÈ èì. Ïóøêèíà â 1936 ãîäó.  1937 ãîäó, âî âðåìÿ êàìïàíèè ïî áîðüáå ñ ôîðìàëèçìîì â èñêóññòâå, áûë ïðè÷èñëåí ïðåññîé ê ãëàâàðÿì «øàéêè ôîðìàëèñòîâ» («òðè Ô»: Ôàëüê, Ôàâîðñêèé, Ôîíâèçèí).
 1943 ãîäó íàõîäèëñÿ â ýâàêóàöèè â Êàçàõñòàíå. Çàòåì âîçâðàùàåòñÿ ñ ñåìüåé â Ìîñêâó, ãäå ðàáîòàåò ïî çàêàçó ãëàâíîãî ðåæèññåðà Ìîñêîâñêîãî òåàòðà äðàìû (íûíå Ìîñêîâñêèé ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé àêàäåìè÷åñêèé òåàòð èì. Â. Ìàÿêîâñêîãî) Í. Îõëîïêîâà íàä ñåðèåé àêâàðåëüíûõ ïîðòðåòîâ àðòèñòîâ òåàòðà.

 1958-1960 æèë â äåðåâíå Ïèðîãîâî, ãäå ïèñàë ïåéçàæè. Áûë óäîñòîåí ìåäàëè íà Âñåìèðíîé âûñòàâêå â Áðþññåëå çà àêâàðåëüíûé ïîðòðåò áàëåðèíû ÃÀÁÒ Ì. Ñåì¸íîâîé. Êàê äî âîéíû, òàê è ïîñëå, íå ïðåêðàùàë âûñòàâëÿòüñÿ — ïåðñîíàëüíûå âûñòàâêè Àòóðà Ôîíâèçèíà ïðîøëè â 1940, 1944, 1947, 1955, 1958 è 1969 ãîäàõ  1970 ãîäó ïîëó÷èë çâàíèå çàñëóæåííîãî äåÿòåëÿ èñêóññòâ ÐÑÔÑÐ. Àðòóð Âëàäèìèðîâè÷ Ôîíâèçèí óìåð 19 àâãóñòà 1973 ãîäà â Ìîñêâå. Ïîõîðîíåí íà Ââåäåíñêîì êëàäáèùå.
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Ïëàòíûì ïîèñêîì íå çàíèìàþñü.  ëè÷êå ÍÅ êîíñóëüòèðóþ. Çàäàâàéòå, ïîæ-ñòà, âîïðîñû â ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèõ òåìàõ, âàì òàì îòâåòßÒ.
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https://forum.vgd.ru/349/

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Ñîîáùåíèé: 25444
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Ðåéòèíã: 21653


tatvos íàïèñàë:
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Ãàðòâèã Àëåêñàíäðà Ïàâëîâíà (Ñàíäðà Ã.), óðîæäåííàÿ Êàðöåâà, ïî ïåðâîìó ìóæó ôîí Âèçåí, æåíà ðóññêîãî ïîñëàííèêà â Ñåðáèè Ãàðòâèãà Í.Ã.
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Ñ.-Ïåòåðáóðã, àëüìàíàõ 1912 ã.

DE HARTWIG, Nicolas Henrikhovitch.,Exc.; (N) 6/19 déc. Odessa; Maître de la Cour Impériale ; Envoyé Extraordinaire et Ministre Plénipotentiaire de Russie en Serbie; — æåíàò íà Alexandre Pavlovna, ci-devant Mme Fonwiesen, née Kartzov. 23 avril.Belgrade, Légation de Russie.

Fille: M-lle Ludmila Nicolaïevna, (N) 16 sept.

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Ïëàòíûì ïîèñêîì íå çàíèìàþñü.  ëè÷êå ÍÅ êîíñóëüòèðóþ. Çàäàâàéòå, ïîæ-ñòà, âîïðîñû â ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèõ òåìàõ, âàì òàì îòâåòßÒ.
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Antti69

Antti69

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Hello all, I got evidence to the Carl and Nikolai relationship, with help of members of this forum. I got documents from RGIA, and they solved it. Thanks you, it took almost one year to solve this.

this document https://rgia.su/object/4219969 had information of Carl Friedrichs childrens. And there was one new children aswell.


Edelhard Ferdinand, born on April 16, 1846
Nikolai Georg, born on May 22, 1848
Hermann Woldemar on September 25, 1850

one was dead in 3 month old Emil Friedrich Philipp von Wiesen 14. 2. 1845 -25.5. 1845

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Âñåì ïðèâåò, ÿ ïîëó÷èë äîêàçàòåëüñòâà îòíîøåíèé Êàðëà è Íèêîëàÿ ñ ïîìîùüþ ôîðóì÷àí. ß ïîëó÷èë äîêóìåíòû èç ÐÃÈÀ, è îíè ðåøèëè ýòî.

â ýòîì äîêóìåíòå https://rgia.su/object/4219969 ñîäåðæèòñÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ î äåòÿõ Êàðëà Ôðèäðèõñà. È åùå îäèí íîâûé ðåáåíîê. Ñïàñèáî, íà ðåøåíèå ýòîé ïðîáëåìû óøåë ïî÷òè ãîä.

Ýäåëüãàðä Ôåðäèíàíä, ðîäèëñÿ 16 àïðåëÿ 1846 ã.
Íèêîëàé Ãåîðãèé, ðîäèëñÿ 22 ìàÿ 1848 ã.
Ãåðìàí Âàëüäåìàð 25 ñåíòÿáðÿ 1850 ã.

îäèí áûë ìåðòâ â òðåõìåñÿ÷íîì Ýìèëå Ôðèäðèõå Ôèëèïïå ôîí Âèçåí 14. 2. 1845 -25. òóêîêóóòà 1845



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-Èùåì ðîäèòåëåé Õóëüäû Ìàðèè Ïðèíö 15.10.1893 Âûáîðã, öåðêîâíûå êíèãè èñ÷åçëè èëè óíè÷òîæåíû èç àðõèâîâ, ìîæåò â ðóññêèõ àðõèâàõ ÷òî-òî îñòàëîñü?
Antti69

Antti69

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Hello all , Im still trying to find the link between Fonvisin and von Wiesen. Maybe something about nobility. I got some noble documents from RGIA, but there seems to be only Fonvisin. Is there anyone who could help me to find some evidence about this notability?

Where I could find any information about von Wiesen notability. All records shows only those Fonvisins.

This is maybe weird when written in Russian because both names looks like almost same:
Fonvisin
von Wiesen.

Im still looking for any new information about this family. I tried to get Artur Fonvizin (paimter) documents from rgali.ru, but its not possible because it only 47 years from his dead.

Âñåì ïðèâåò, ÿ âñå åùå ïûòàþñü íàéòè ñâÿçü ìåæäó Ôîíâèçèíîì è ôîí Âèçåíîì. Ìîæåò áûòü, ÷òî-òî î áëàãîðîäñòâå. Ó ìåíÿ åñòü áëàãîðîäíûå äîêóìåíòû èç ÐÃÈÀ, íî âðîäå òîëüêî Ôîíâèñèí. Åñòü ëè êòî-íèáóäü, êòî ìîã áû ïîìî÷ü ìíå íàéòè äîêàçàòåëüñòâà ýòîé èçâåñòíîñòè?

Ãäå ÿ ìîã íàéòè ëþáóþ èíôîðìàöèþ î çíàòíîñòè ôîí Âèçåíà. Âî âñåõ çàïèñÿõ ïîêàçàíû òîëüêî ýòè ôîíâèçèíû.

Ýòî ìîæåò áûòü ñòðàííî, êîãäà íàïèñàíî ïî-ðóññêè, ïîòîìó ÷òî îáà èìåíè âûãëÿäÿò ïî÷òè îäèíàêîâî:
Ôîíâèçèí
ôîí Âèçåí.

ß âñå åùå èùó íîâóþ èíôîðìàöèþ îá ýòîé ñåìüå. ß ïûòàëñÿ ïîëó÷èòü äîêóìåíòû Àðòóðà Ôîíâèçèíà (paimter) íà ñàéòå rgali.ru, íî ýòî íå óäàëîñü, ïîòîìó ÷òî ïðîøëî âñåãî 47 ëåò ñî äíÿ åãî ñìåðòè.


rgds antti

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- Èùó ëþáóþ èíôîðìàöèþ î ñåìüå ôîí Âèçåí â Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå, Ìîñêâå èëè Ðèãå. -
-Èùåì ðîäèòåëåé Õóëüäû Ìàðèè Ïðèíö 15.10.1893 Âûáîðã, öåðêîâíûå êíèãè èñ÷åçëè èëè óíè÷òîæåíû èç àðõèâîâ, ìîæåò â ðóññêèõ àðõèâàõ ÷òî-òî îñòàëîñü?
Antti69

Antti69

Helsinki - Õåëüñèíêè
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Hello I found this , just wonder if this is same family? Does anybody find more information of this person?

[Students and graduates of HTI (biographical dictionary)]
Von-Wiesen Voldemar Hermann Hermanovich
(1880–?)

A native of St. Petersburg, the son of a collegiate assessor. With a 1st degree diploma from Kharkiv University, he entered the Kharkiv Technological Institute in 1907.


Ïðèâåò, ÿ íàøåë ýòî, ïðîñòî èíòåðåñíî, ýòî æå ñåìüÿ? Êòî-íèáóäü íàøåë áîëüøå èíôîðìàöèè îá ýòîì ÷åëîâåêå?

Ôîí-Âèçåí Âîëüäåìàð Ãåðìàí Ãåðìàíîâè÷
(1880–?)

Óðîæåíåö Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãà, ñûí êîëëåæñêîãî àñåññîðà. Ñ äèïëîìîì 1-é ñòåïåíè Õàðüêîâñêîãî óíèâåðñèòåòà ïîñòóïèë â Õàðüêîâñêèé òåõíîëîãè÷åñêèé èíñòèòóò â 1907 ã.

http://library.kpi.kharkov.ua/...0%B8%D1%87
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-Èùåì ðîäèòåëåé Õóëüäû Ìàðèè Ïðèíö 15.10.1893 Âûáîðã, öåðêîâíûå êíèãè èñ÷åçëè èëè óíè÷òîæåíû èç àðõèâîâ, ìîæåò â ðóññêèõ àðõèâàõ ÷òî-òî îñòàëîñü?
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gelene íàïèñàë:
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Antti69

In RGVIA, a personal file of a doctor who graduated from the Military Medical Academy:
RGVIA (Moscow) f.316 op.63 d.1017. Georg Fridrikhovich Wiesen

Doctor serving in the Caucasian Military District:
RGVIA (Moscow) f.1304 op.8 d.491 Fon-Wiesen Karl

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Hello all, I got yesterday these documents from RGVIA ,

In RGVIA, a personal file of a doctor who graduated from the Military Medical Academy:
RGVIA (Moscow) f.316 op.63 d.1017. Georg Fridrikhovich Wiesen , this is my relative, but there is some misconfusion

The title of the Case says: “the personal file of a doctor who graduated from the Military Medical Academy”, but I do not see in the Case any mentions that Karl von Wiesen studied or graduated the Military Medical Academy?.

I’m surprised why the Case of the civil doctor assistant ended up in the Historical Military Archive. I can only assume that there was confusion between the Academies of the arts and the military.


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The other document Doctor serving in the Caucasian Military District:
RGVIA (Moscow) f.1304 op.8 d.491 Fon-Wiesen Karl , is different person with same name as my relative. His date of birth is the 5th November 1878. He is married and has two daughters 7 and 9 years old (in 1913).

https://amburger.ios-regensbur...amp;mode=1


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 ÐÃÂÈÀ ëè÷íîå äåëî âðà÷à, îêîí÷èâøåãî Âîåííî-ìåäèöèíñêóþ àêàäåìèþ:
ÐÃÂÈÀ (Ìîñêâà) ô.316 îï.63 ä.1017. Âèçåí Ãåîðã Ôðèäðèõîâè÷

Âðà÷, ñëóæàùèé â Êàâêàçñêîì âîåííîì îêðóãå:
ÐÃÂÈÀ (Ìîñêâà) ô.1304 îï.8 ä.491 Ôîí-Âèçåí Êàðë


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Âñåì ïðèâåò, ïîëó÷èë â÷åðà ýòè äîêóìåíòû îò ÐÃÂÈÀ,

 ÐÃÂÈÀ ëè÷íîå äåëî âðà÷à, îêîí÷èâøåãî Âîåííî-ìåäèöèíñêóþ àêàäåìèþ:
ÐÃÂÈÀ (Ìîñêâà) ô.316 îï.63 ä.1017. Ãåîðã Ôðèäðèõîâè÷ Âèçåí, ýòî ìîé ðîäñòâåííèê, íî åñòü çàáëóæäåíèå

Íàçâàíèå äåëà ãëàñèò: «ëè÷íîå äåëî âðà÷à, îêîí÷èâøåãî Âîåííî-ìåäèöèíñêóþ àêàäåìèþ», íî ÿ íå âèæó â äåëå óïîìèíàíèÿ î òîì, ÷òî Êàðë ôîí Âèçåí ó÷èëñÿ èëè îêîí÷èë Âîåííî-ìåäèöèíñêóþ àêàäåìèþ ?.

ß óäèâëåí, ïî÷åìó äåëî ôåëüäøåðà îêàçàëîñü â Âîåííî-èñòîðè÷åñêîì àðõèâå. Ìîãó òîëüêî ïðåäïîëîæèòü, ÷òî ïðîèçîøëà ïóòàíèöà ìåæäó Àêàäåìèÿìè èñêóññòâ è âîåííûìè.


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Äðóãîé äîêóìåíò Âðà÷, ïðîõîäÿùèé ñëóæáó â Êàâêàçñêîì âîåííîì îêðóãå:
ÐÃÂÈÀ (Ìîñêâà) ô.1304 îï.8 ä.491 Ôîí-Âèçåí Êàðë, ÷åëîâåê ñ òàêèì æå èìåíåì, ÷òî è ìîé ðîäñòâåííèê. Äàòà ðîæäåíèÿ - 5 íîÿáðÿ 1878 ãîäà. Æåíàò, èìååò äâóõ äî÷åðåé 7 è 9 ëåò (â 1913 ãîäó).

https://amburger.ios-regensbur...amp;mode=1






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Antti69

Antti69

Helsinki - Õåëüñèíêè
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Hello again, got also solved this other Karl in RGVIA archive , he is also my relative 101.gif

È ñíîâà çäðàâñòâóéòå, òîæå ðåøèë ýòîò äðóãîé Êàðë â àðõèâå ÐÃÂÈÀ, îí òîæå ìîé ðîäñòâåííèê

https://www.geni.com/people/Ka...4778274444


"Ðîññèÿ, äóáëèêàòû Ëþòåðàíñêèõ ìåòðè÷åñêèõ êíèã, 1833-1885," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-67S9-XM5?cc=1469151&wc=M6VP-6WR%3A295801501%2C296754301%2C296938801%2C296882901 : 21 May 2014), St. Petersburg > St. Petersburg > St. Petersburg (St. Catharina I Church, German): St. Petersburg > 1879: Births, marriages, deaths ( 828-14/228) > image 30 of 40; Russland Historischen Staatsarchiv, St. Petersburg (Konsistorium Petersburg. Russian State Historical Archive), St. Petersburg.

and here https://amburger.ios-regensbur...amp;mode=1

now I need to find his wife and her two daughters, maybe there are living relatives , if those 2 daughters have childrens.

Marriage around after 1895 and childrens born around 1904 and 1906. Should find these from St Catharine German Church books (St Petersburg)

òåïåðü ìíå íóæíî íàéòè åãî æåíó è äâóõ åå äî÷åðåé, ìîæåò áûòü, åñòü æèâûå ðîäñòâåííèêè, åñëè ó ýòèõ äâóõ äî÷åðåé åñòü äåòè.

Áðàê ïîñëå 1895 ãîäà è äåòè, ðîäèâøèåñÿ ïðèìåðíî â 1904 è 1906 ãîäàõ. Èõ ñëåäóåò íàéòè â êíèãàõ Íåìåöêîé öåðêâè Ñâÿòîé Êàòàðèíû (Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã).


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