Õåðñîíñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ

Ïîçâîëüòå ïîäåëèòüñÿ ñ âàìè óñïåõîì.
1) Êàê ÿ îïèñûâàë êîãäà òî,ÿ ïðîñëåäèë ñâîèõ Áåðíøòàìîâ îò Êóðëÿíäèè, êàê îíè â 1843 ïåðååõàëè â Íîâûé Áåðèñëàâ Õåðñîíñêîé ãóáåðíèè, íàøåë ïåðåïèñü íàñåëåíèÿ 1858 â Íîâîì Áåðèñëàâå.
2) Íà ñâîåì ñàéòå îáî âñåõ Áåðíøòàìàõ ÿ óêàçûâàë, ÷òî åñòü Áåðíøòàìû êîòîðûå ïåðååõàëè â íà÷àëå 20 âåêà â Àðãåíòèíó (ÿ ïîëó÷àë ïèñüìî îò îäíîãî èç èõ ïîòîìêîâ), íî îòêóäà ïåðååõàëè - íåèçâåñòíî.

È âîò îáíàðóæèëñÿ ÷åëîâåê, êîòîðûé âñå ýòî ñâÿçàë âìåñòå è ñ èñòîðèåé ñâîåé ñåìüè è ïðåñëåäèë ñâîþ âåòî÷êó èç Àðãåíòèíû äî òîé ïåðåïèñè ìîåé ñåìüè â 1858!

Íàøëèñü ðîäñòâåííèêè, îáùèé ïðåäîê ñ êîòîðûìè ðîäèëñÿ îêîëî 1800! Îí ñàì, òîò, êîòîðûé ìåí íàïèñàë - 4õ þðîäíûé áðàò ìîåãî ïîêîéíîãî äåäóøêè.

Âîò öèòàòû èç åãî ïèñåì:
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My mother's family came from Berlislav (or Novo Berislav, as she used to said) in the Kherson Government, Ucraine, to Argentina in the erlier 1900's. (in your site: Argentina - arrived at the beginning of XX century from ??? )

The family was recorded here as BERENSTAM -I do not know how was the last name written in their documents when they arrived here-, but my mother (who born here in Argentina in 1912) remembered that the pronuntiation was quite different, as "Ber'n-sh-tam".

Therefore I think it is highly possible that we both have the same ancestors.

My grandfhater's name was Meyer Leib Berenstam and Sara Klein. As my mother told me (there are any paper to confirm the exact names) Meyer was the first son of Yankiel Berenstam and Rahel Rose Gotlieb; and Sara was the sixth daughter of xxx Klein and Rifke Gotlieb (by the way, I saw in your "1843 Nowo Berislav List translated by Pavel Bernshtam" those last names).

Because the Meyer's first daughter born in 1888, I think he born in the 1850's and therefore it is possible that his father (Yankiel) was a member of one of those families that arrived in 1843 to Berislav ( perhaps which is mentioned in the census 1858, item D. Yankiel Bershtam [1835 - ?]).
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As I told you, Yankel's first son Meyer Leib came to Argentina in earlier 1900's (perhaps in 1908). He came with his wife Sara Klein and with their 10 children. Their names and birth dates (when I know it) are as follows:
Julia (1888) - Yankel - Adolf - Bernard - Luise (1898) - Abram (1900) - Dvoira (1902) - Anthony (1904) - Isaac (1906) - Raoul (1908).
They went to a farm place far from Buenos Aires and after three or four years of difficulties (floods, locust pest, wind storms) they moved to Buenos Aires city, where Meyer worked as shoemaker and his sons worked in turning lathe industry or as tailors. Those days (1912) my mother Guitel born.
As you can imagine, Those 11 brothers had a lot of children: 27 in total, of which I am the penultimate. I was born in 1941 (64 years old); and I have a sister - Rosa (1935) a medicine doctor- and a brother - Mario (1938) a lawyer-.
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Òîò ßíêåëü, ïðî êîòîðîãî îí ãîâîðèò ïðèñóòñòâóåò â ïåðåïèñè 1858 ãîäà - îí áðàò ìîåãî ïðàïðàïðàäåäóøêè.

ß ÷èòàëà êíèãó ñ ïîõîæèì íàçâàíèåì,è îòñêàíèðîâàëà âñå ññûëêè,
íàéäó äèñê è ïîñìîòðþ.Íî ìíå êàæåòñÿ òàì ðå÷ü èäåò â îñíîâíîì î Êèåâñêèõ àðõèâàõ è Êèåâñêîì ðàââèíàòå,

Åëèçàâåòîãðàä ýòî êàêîé ðàââèíàò?
Ýòî î÷åíü âàæíî çíàòü,òàê êàê ìíîãèå äîêóìåíòû ñëîæåíû ïî ýòîìó ïðèçíàêó.
ß íàïðèìåð î÷åíü äîëãî âûÿñíÿëà ê ÷åìó îòíîñèòñÿ Æìåðèíêà,
âûÿñíèëîñü
Áðàèëîâñêèé ðàââèíàò.

Ìåíÿ èíòåðåñóþò ïåðåñåëåíöû â Íîâûé Áóã Õåðñîíñêîé ãóáåðíèè. Ïîñåëåíèå íååâðåéñêîå, íî òàê âûøëî, ÷òî ìîè Ìèëüìàíû ïåðåñåëèëèñü èìåííî òóäà.
http://napobo3.lk.net/millman/ (èçâèíèòå çà ìîé àíãëèéñêèé)

ß, âèäèìî, î÷åíü íåóäà÷íî ñôîðìóëèðîâàë: èìåëîñü â âèäó, ÷òî, ïðîñìàòðèâàÿ îïèñè, ÿ îáðàòèë âíèìàíèå, ÷òî òàêèå äåëà åñòü â ÍÈÀÁå. Ñàìè Äåëà ÿ íå çàêàçûâàë (ó ìåíÿ íåò "ïåðåñåëÿâøèõñÿ" ïðåäêîâ, ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå, èçâåñòíûõ ìíå). À äåëà òàêèå:
ô.1430 Êàíöåëÿðèÿ Âèòåáñêîãî ãðàæäàíñêîãî ãóáåðíàòîðà.
îï.1 ò.6 ä.13058 Î ïåðåñåëåíèè åâðååâ â Õåðñîíñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ (1846)
ô.2620 Ëåïåëüñêàÿ ãîðîäñêàÿ äóìà 1831-1859, îï.1
ä.197 Î ïåðåñåëåíèè ëåïåëüñêèõ ìåùàí åâðååâ â Õåðñîíñêóþ ãóá (1846)
ä.267 Î åâðåÿõ, ïåðåñåëèâøèõñÿ â çåìëåäåëü÷åñòâî (1850)
ä.281 Î ïåðåìåùåíèè ìåùàí-åâðååâ â Åêàòåðèíîñëàâñêóþ ãóá. (1851)

Åùå ðàç èçâèíèòå çà íåóäà÷íóþ ôîðìóëèðîâêó.

Ñòàòüÿ Âàëåíòèíû Ñîì â Áåðåçíåãîâàòñêîé ðàéîííîé ãàçåòå "Íàðîäíàÿ òðèáóíà" îò 11 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2008 ãîäà î òðàãåäèè â ñåëàõ Áîëüøàÿ Ðîìàíîâêà è Íàãàðòàâ.