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Ïîìîãèòå ïîæàëóéñòà îïðåäåëèòü ïðèíàäëåæíîñòü ê ïîëêó
VCÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà  Ñîîáùåíèé: 8586 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4550 | Ââåðõ #6 äåêàáðÿ 2020 0:29 jigunova2012 íàïèñàë: [q] Ïîìîãèòå ïîæàëóéñòà â îïðåäåëåíèè ôîðìû è ÷èíà. Íà ôîòî ìîé ïðàäåäóøêà Øóìåíêîâ Ñòåïàí è ïðàáàáóøêà Øóìåíêîâà Êðèñòèíüÿ. Ïñêîâñêàÿ îáëàñòü (Âèòåáñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ), Âåëèêîëóêñêèé ðàéîí (Íåâåëüñêèé óåçä). [/q]
ygv íàïèñàë: [q] Ðÿäîâîé ÐÈÀ,íà ïîãîíå,âðîäå áû, åñòü øèôðîâêà. Íóæåí ñêàí ïîãîíà â âûñîêîì ðàçðåøåíèè-1200 òî÷åê íà äþéì.[/q]
Ìîãó îøèáàòüñÿ, íî ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî ïîãîí ïóñòîé è ýòî äåôåêò èçîáðàæåíèÿ. Íî ñêàí ôðàãìåíòà ëó÷øå âñ¸-òàêè ñäåëàòü, åñëè åñòü âîçìîæíîñòü. Äîáàâëþ, ÷òî ñíèìîê ïåðèîäà Ïåðâîé ìèðîâîé. Áåç øèôðîâêè ÷àñòü íå îïðåäåëèòü. Îáû÷íî ïîäîáíûå ôîòîãðàôèè äåëàëèñü ïîñëå ìîáèëèçàöèè âî âðåìÿ ñëóæáû â êàêîì-òî çàïàñíîì áàòàëüîíå. | | |
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 4 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2020 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 2 | Ââåðõ #6 äåêàáðÿ 2020 2:07 Äîáðûé äåíü. Ïîæàëóéñòà ïîìîãè. êàêàÿ ôîðìà ó ýòèõ äâóõ ñîëäàò (?). Ôîòîãðàôèÿ ñäåëàíà â ãîðîäå Îðçåëü ìåæäó 1900 è 1909 ãîäàìè. Êòî-òî ñêàçàë, ÷òî ýòî ôîðìà ïîëèöåéñêîãî, äðóãîé - öàðñêîé àðìèè. Ýòî äðóçüÿ ìîåãî ïðàäåäà, êîòîðûé ó÷àñòâîâàë â ðóññêî-ÿïîíñêîé âîéíå. ñïàñèáî çà âàøó ïîìîùü è íàèëó÷øèå ïîæåëàíèÿ èç Ïîëüøè. ß èñïîëüçóþ àâòîìàòè÷åñêèé ïåðåâîä÷èê.
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VCÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà  Ñîîáùåíèé: 8586 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4550 | Ââåðõ #6 äåêàáðÿ 2020 3:33 6 äåêàáðÿ 2020 3:47 Ziobrovska íàïèñàë: [q] Äîáðûé äåíü. Ïîæàëóéñòà ïîìîãè. êàêàÿ ôîðìà ó ýòèõ äâóõ ñîëäàò (?). Ôîòîãðàôèÿ ñäåëàíà â ãîðîäå Îðçåëü ìåæäó 1900 è 1909 ãîäàìè. Êòî-òî ñêàçàë, ÷òî ýòî ôîðìà ïîëèöåéñêîãî, äðóãîé - öàðñêîé àðìèè. Ýòî äðóçüÿ ìîåãî ïðàäåäà, êîòîðûé ó÷àñòâîâàë â ðóññêî-ÿïîíñêîé âîéíå. ñïàñèáî çà âàøó ïîìîùü è íàèëó÷øèå ïîæåëàíèÿ èç Ïîëüøè. ß èñïîëüçóþ àâòîìàòè÷åñêèé ïåðåâîä÷èê. [/q]
Ðÿäîâîé (ñëåâà) è åôðåéòîð (ñïðàâà) Ðóññêîé èìïåðàòîðñêîé àðìèè â ïåõîòíûõ ìóíäèðàõ îáðàçöà 1881, êîòîðûå èñïîëüçîâàëèñü äî 1909-1910 ãã. Êðàñíûå ïîãîíû è ñèíèå âîðîòíèêè - 2-é ïîëê êàêîé-òî ïåõîòíîé äèâèçèè.  íà÷àëå XX âåêà â Îðëå ðàñïîëàãàëàñü 1-ÿ áðèãàäà 36-é ïåõîòíîé äèâèçèè. Ìîæíî ïðåäïîëîæèòü, ÷òî ýòî 142-é ïåõîòíûé Çâåíèãîðîäñêèé ïîëê, áûâøèé 2-ì ïîëêîì ýòîé ñàìîé äèâèçèè. ×òîáû îòâåòèòü òî÷íåå íóæíî ïðî÷åñòü íîìåð äèâèçèè, óêàçàííûé íà ïîãîíàõ. Äëÿ ýòîãî íåîáõîäèìû ñêàíû ïîãîí ñ ðàçðåøåíèåì 1200 dpi. Çàîäíî ìîæíî áóäåò óòî÷íèòü äàòó ñúåìêè.  1904-ì ãîäó íà ïóãîâèöàõ ïîÿâèëèñü îðëû. Âîò ñòàòüÿ, êîòîðàÿ îïèñûâàåò îñíîâû îïðåäåëåíèÿ ôîðìû ýòîãî ïåðèîäà: http://www.vedomstva-uniforma.ru/mundir9/pribor/index.htmlPrivate (left) and corporal (right) of the Russian Imperial Army in infantry uniforms of the 1881 pattern, which were used until 1909-1910. Red shoulder straps and blue collars indicate the 2nd regiment of some infantry division. The 1st Brigade of the 36th Infantry Division was based in Orel at the beginning of the 20th century. This could be the 142nd Zvenigorodsky infantry regiment that was the 2nd regiment of this same division. To confirm this guess, we need to try to read the division number specified on the shoulder straps. This requires scans of shoulder straps with the 1200 dpi resolution. It may also help us to narrow the period when the picture was taken. In 1904 buttons were switched to the new ones with eagles on them. Here is the Russian language article that describes the basics of the uniform identification for that period: http://www.vedomstva-uniforma.ru/mundir9/pribor/index.html
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ygvÄîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà  Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã Ñîîáùåíèé: 13557 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 10918 | Ââåðõ #6 äåêàáðÿ 2020 10:08 6 äåêàáðÿ 2020 11:37 --- Âèëèíû,Êàðìàêîâû-Ïåòåðáóðã,ßðîñëàâñêàÿ ãóá.,Ìîñêâà
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 4 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2020 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 2 | Ââåðõ #6 äåêàáðÿ 2020 12:47 >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ VC îò 6 äåêàáðÿ 2020 3:33 Áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî çà ïîìîùü! Ñôîòîãðàôèðóþ ÷åðåç íåñêîëüêî äíåé. ê ñîæàëåíèþ, íà äàííûé ìîìåíò ó ìåíÿ íåò ëó÷øåãî ñêàíèðîâàíèÿ. ñïàñèáî çà ñòàòüþ, ïðî÷òó! Izabela | | |
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 4 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2020 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 2 | Ââåðõ #6 äåêàáðÿ 2020 12:55 ygv íàïèñàë: [q] Ziobrovska napisała:
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jigunova2012Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê  ã.Âåëèêèå Ëóêè - ã.Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã Ñîîáùåíèé: 110 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2020 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4928 | Ââåðõ #6 äåêàáðÿ 2020 13:07 >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ VC îò 6 äåêàáðÿ 2020 0:29 Ñïàñèáî áîëüøîå. Ê ñîæàëåíèþ ñåé÷àñ íåò âîçìîæíîñòè ñäåëàòü ñêàí èëè ôîòî, íî ñëåäóþùèé ðàç êîãäà ïîåäó â Ïñêîâñêóá îáë., îáÿçàòåëüíî ñäåëàþ ñíèìîê ÷¸ò÷å. --- Èùó ðîäñòâåííûå ëèíèè/êîðíè Ïñêîâñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ: Âåëèêèå Ëóêè, Âåëèêîëóêñêèé óåçä. Âèòåáñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ: Íåâåëüñêèé, Âåëèæñêèõ, Ãîðîäîêñêèé óåçäû."
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