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Ìîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà

VC

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jigunova2012 íàïèñàë:
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Ïîìîãèòå ïîæàëóéñòà â îïðåäåëåíèè ôîðìû è ÷èíà. Íà ôîòî ìîé ïðàäåäóøêà Øóìåíêîâ Ñòåïàí è ïðàáàáóøêà Øóìåíêîâà Êðèñòèíüÿ. Ïñêîâñêàÿ îáëàñòü (Âèòåáñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ), Âåëèêîëóêñêèé ðàéîí (Íåâåëüñêèé óåçä).
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Ðÿäîâîé ÐÈÀ,íà ïîãîíå,âðîäå áû, åñòü øèôðîâêà.
Íóæåí ñêàí ïîãîíà â âûñîêîì ðàçðåøåíèè-1200 òî÷åê íà äþéì.
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Ìîãó îøèáàòüñÿ, íî ìíå êàæåòñÿ, ÷òî ïîãîí ïóñòîé è ýòî äåôåêò èçîáðàæåíèÿ. Íî ñêàí ôðàãìåíòà ëó÷øå âñ¸-òàêè ñäåëàòü, åñëè åñòü âîçìîæíîñòü.
Äîáàâëþ, ÷òî ñíèìîê ïåðèîäà Ïåðâîé ìèðîâîé. Áåç øèôðîâêè ÷àñòü íå îïðåäåëèòü. Îáû÷íî ïîäîáíûå ôîòîãðàôèè äåëàëèñü ïîñëå ìîáèëèçàöèè âî âðåìÿ ñëóæáû â êàêîì-òî çàïàñíîì áàòàëüîíå.

Ziobrovska
Íîâè÷îê

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Äîáðûé äåíü. Ïîæàëóéñòà ïîìîãè. êàêàÿ ôîðìà ó ýòèõ äâóõ ñîëäàò (?). Ôîòîãðàôèÿ ñäåëàíà â ãîðîäå Îðçåëü ìåæäó 1900 è 1909 ãîäàìè. Êòî-òî ñêàçàë, ÷òî ýòî ôîðìà ïîëèöåéñêîãî, äðóãîé - öàðñêîé àðìèè. Ýòî äðóçüÿ ìîåãî ïðàäåäà, êîòîðûé ó÷àñòâîâàë â ðóññêî-ÿïîíñêîé âîéíå. ñïàñèáî çà âàøó ïîìîùü è íàèëó÷øèå ïîæåëàíèÿ èç Ïîëüøè. ß èñïîëüçóþ àâòîìàòè÷åñêèé ïåðåâîä÷èê.

Ïðèêðåïëåííûé ôàéë: Orzel Rosja.bmp
VC
Ìîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà

VC

Ñîîáùåíèé: 8586
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 4550

Ziobrovska íàïèñàë:
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Äîáðûé äåíü. Ïîæàëóéñòà ïîìîãè. êàêàÿ ôîðìà ó ýòèõ äâóõ ñîëäàò (?). Ôîòîãðàôèÿ ñäåëàíà â ãîðîäå Îðçåëü ìåæäó 1900 è 1909 ãîäàìè. Êòî-òî ñêàçàë, ÷òî ýòî ôîðìà ïîëèöåéñêîãî, äðóãîé - öàðñêîé àðìèè. Ýòî äðóçüÿ ìîåãî ïðàäåäà, êîòîðûé ó÷àñòâîâàë â ðóññêî-ÿïîíñêîé âîéíå. ñïàñèáî çà âàøó ïîìîùü è íàèëó÷øèå ïîæåëàíèÿ èç Ïîëüøè. ß èñïîëüçóþ àâòîìàòè÷åñêèé ïåðåâîä÷èê.
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Ðÿäîâîé (ñëåâà) è åôðåéòîð (ñïðàâà) Ðóññêîé èìïåðàòîðñêîé àðìèè â ïåõîòíûõ ìóíäèðàõ îáðàçöà 1881, êîòîðûå èñïîëüçîâàëèñü äî 1909-1910 ãã. Êðàñíûå ïîãîíû è ñèíèå âîðîòíèêè - 2-é ïîëê êàêîé-òî ïåõîòíîé äèâèçèè.  íà÷àëå XX âåêà â Îðëå ðàñïîëàãàëàñü 1-ÿ áðèãàäà 36-é ïåõîòíîé äèâèçèè. Ìîæíî ïðåäïîëîæèòü, ÷òî ýòî 142-é ïåõîòíûé Çâåíèãîðîäñêèé ïîëê, áûâøèé 2-ì ïîëêîì ýòîé ñàìîé äèâèçèè. ×òîáû îòâåòèòü òî÷íåå íóæíî ïðî÷åñòü íîìåð äèâèçèè, óêàçàííûé íà ïîãîíàõ. Äëÿ ýòîãî íåîáõîäèìû ñêàíû ïîãîí ñ ðàçðåøåíèåì 1200 dpi. Çàîäíî ìîæíî áóäåò óòî÷íèòü äàòó ñúåìêè.  1904-ì ãîäó íà ïóãîâèöàõ ïîÿâèëèñü îðëû.

Âîò ñòàòüÿ, êîòîðàÿ îïèñûâàåò îñíîâû îïðåäåëåíèÿ ôîðìû ýòîãî ïåðèîäà:
http://www.vedomstva-uniforma.ru/mundir9/pribor/index.html

Private (left) and corporal (right) of the Russian Imperial Army in infantry uniforms of the 1881 pattern, which were used until 1909-1910. Red shoulder straps and blue collars indicate the 2nd regiment of some infantry division. The 1st Brigade of the 36th Infantry Division was based in Orel at the beginning of the 20th century. This could be the 142nd Zvenigorodsky infantry regiment that was the 2nd regiment of this same division. To confirm this guess, we need to try to read the division number specified on the shoulder straps. This requires scans of shoulder straps with the 1200 dpi resolution. It may also help us to narrow the period when the picture was taken. In 1904 buttons were switched to the new ones with eagles on them.

Here is the Russian language article that describes the basics of the uniform identification for that period:
http://www.vedomstva-uniforma.ru/mundir9/pribor/index.html

Ïðèêðåïëåííûé ôàéë: orel.jpg
ygv
Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà

ygv

Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã
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Ziobrovska íàïèñàë:
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Î ôîòîãðàôå
§ ÂÀÐÅÍÈÊ È.Ã. — Îðåë | 1897 - 1917
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Âèëèíû,Êàðìàêîâû-Ïåòåðáóðã,ßðîñëàâñêàÿ ãóá.,Ìîñêâà
Áîæåíîâû,Àõìàòîâû-Òóëà,Ìîñêâà,Ïåòåðáóðã.
Ìàðêóñ,Ìàêîãîí-Äîíáàññ,Ìîëäàâèÿ
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Áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî çà ïîìîùü! Ñôîòîãðàôèðóþ ÷åðåç íåñêîëüêî äíåé. ê ñîæàëåíèþ, íà äàííûé ìîìåíò ó ìåíÿ íåò ëó÷øåãî ñêàíèðîâàíèÿ. ñïàñèáî çà ñòàòüþ, ïðî÷òó! Izabela


Ziobrovska
Íîâè÷îê

Ñîîáùåíèé: 4
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2020 ã.
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ygv íàïèñàë:
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Ziobrovska napisała:
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O fotografiku
§ I. G. VARENIK Loty Eagle | 1897 - 1917
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Ñïàñèáî áîëüøîå. ß íàøåë ðàíüøå. ß ó÷èëà ðóññêèé ÿçûê 26 ëåò íàçàä. ß çàáûëa ìíîãî ñëîâ :(. Ñ íàèëó÷øèìè ïîæåëàíèÿìè


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Ñïàñèáî áîëüøîå. Ê ñîæàëåíèþ ñåé÷àñ íåò âîçìîæíîñòè ñäåëàòü ñêàí èëè ôîòî, íî ñëåäóþùèé ðàç êîãäà ïîåäó â Ïñêîâñêóá îáë., îáÿçàòåëüíî ñäåëàþ ñíèìîê ÷¸ò÷å.
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Äîáðûé äåíü! Ïîìîãèòå ðàçîáðàòüñÿ â çíà÷åíèè ñëîâà "âíåâîéñêîâèê", óïîòðåáëÿåìîãî â 1940 ãîäó. Áðàëè ëè èõ â ðåãóëÿðíóþ àðìèþ èëè æå ïðèçûâàëè ïåðèîäè÷åñêè òîëüêî íà âîåííûå ñáîðû?

Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Ëèäèÿ
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"Ôîòîñíèìêè òîëüêî òîãäà ïðèîáðåòàþò íàñòîÿùóþ öåííîñòü, êîãäà îíè àòðèáóòèðîâàíû ïîÿñíèòåëüíîé èíôîðìàöèåé"
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ïðèçûâàëè ïåðèîäè÷åñêè òîëüêî íà âîåííûå ñáîðû?
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à îñòàëüíîå âðåìÿ ñîñòîÿëè â îòïóñêó.
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Ïëàòíûì ïîèñêîì íå çàíèìàþñü.
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Áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî!
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