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Ïîìîãèòå ïîæàëóéñòà îïðåäåëèòü ïðèíàäëåæíîñòü ê ïîëêó
VCÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà  Ñîîáùåíèé: 8586 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4551 | batchel íàïèñàë: [q] I am looking for information about my grandfather.
My Greek grandfather, Vasilios “Vasile” Tzouris (also spelled Giuris), was born in Vasiliko, Bulgaria (present day Tsarevo, Bulgaria) on January 1, 1880. In the early 1900’s he moved to Odessa where he worked as a Baker. I believe he made and sold Baklava. During the time he lived in Odessa, he served in the White Army of Tzar Nicholas II. I believe he was a Cossack and I would like to find records of his service if they exist. Are there existing military records for the soldiers that served in the White Army?
I have attached a photo of my grandfather that was taken in Odessa on January 1, 1919. This would have been my grandfather’s birth day and name day. He is standing in the middle of 2 people sitting on each side of him that are wearing military uniforms. I would like to know if anyone can give me information about the uniforms that these soldiers are wearing (military units, departments, and rank etc…).[/q]
As my colleagues already mentioned there is no insignia on this photo. The person who stands behind is wearing a civilian coat. Two others are wearing so called “ French” jackets that became very popular in Russia at the end of WW1. These jackets resembled British style military uniform and sometimes were worn as such. But to be called “uniform” it requires some form of insignia to indicate what side the person belongs to and the rank. During the Russian Civil war it was also common for all sides to wear random regular civilian cloth without any distinguishing signs. In such cases it’s impossible to figure out who are on the photo. | | |
G-IsÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà  Ëèïåöê Ñîîáùåíèé: 7653 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 9012 | ariadna2017 ïèñàëà: [q] Ïðîøó ïîìî÷ü îïðåäåëèòü óíèôîðìó è ÷èí ìîåãî ïðàäåäà [/q]
Íà ïåðâîì ñíèìêå âèäíû êàâàëåðèéñêèå ñàïîãè è ãàëèôå, ñòåê òîæå ïðèíàäëåæíîñòü ýòîãî ðîäà âîéñê. Íóæåí áîëåå êà÷åñòâåííûé ñêàí (1200 òî÷åê íà äþéì) äëÿ îïðåäåëåíèÿ çíàêà íà ãîëîâíîì óáîðå. Íà ñëåäóþùåé ôîòîãðàôèè øèíåëü ÐÊÊÀ êàâàëåðèéñêîãî îáðàçöà, ñíèìîê 1924-1934 ãã. ×åòûðå êâàäðàòà â ïåòëèöàõ îçíà÷àëè äîëæíîñòíóþ êàòåãîðèþ Ê-6 (ïîìîùíèê êîìàíäèðà áàòàëüîíà , êîìàíäèð îòäåëüíîé ðîòû èëè èì ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèé). Ó êàâàëåðèñòîâ ÐÊÊÀ áûëè ñèíèå ïåòëèöû ñ ÷¸ðíûì êàíòîì, ïî ïîñëåäíåìó ñíèìêó ýòîãî íå ñêàæåøü, âåñüìà âåðîÿòíû çäåñü êðàïîâûå ïåòëèöû ñ ìàëèíîâûì êàíòîì - âîéñêà (èëè ïðî÷èå ñòðóêòóðû) ÎÃÏÓ/ÍÊÂÄ . --- "Ïóñòü ýòîò ìèð âäàëü ëåòèò ñêâîçü ñòîëåòèÿ, íî íå âñåãäà ïî äîðîãå ìíå ñ íèì..." | | |
| MarinaMamaeva84 Íîâè÷îê
Äåðåâíÿ Áåññîíîâî Ñîîáùåíèé: 16 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2020 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 3 | Íàøëà ôîòî íà ÷åðäàêå ðîäèòåëüñêîãî äîìà, óçíàòü êòî èçîáðàæåí íà ôîòî íå ïðåäñòàâëÿåòñÿ âîçìîæíûì, íî ìîæåò áûòü êòî òî ïîäñêàæåò â ôîðìó êàêèõ âîéñê îäåò ýòîò ìóæ÷èíà ( âîçìîæíî â ïîñëåäñòâèè ýòî ïîìîæåò ïîíÿòü êòî ýòî). Çàðàíåå áëàãîäàðþ!!!
 --- Èùó ×óìàíêîâûõ, Øêîëüíèêîâûõ, ä.Ñòàðàÿ, ä.Áåññîíîâî Âîñêðåñåíñêîãî ðàéîíà Ìîñêîâñêîé îáëàñòè. | | |
| Ê äàííîé òåìå ïðèñîåäèíåíà òåìà " îïðåäåëåíèå ôîðìû" (11 ìàÿ 2020 12:41)
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FlorovskyÄîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà  Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 1429 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2016 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 2227 | Ââåðõ #11 ìàÿ 2020 13:49 11 ìàÿ 2020 13:58 MarinaMamaeva84 íàïèñàë: [q] Íàøëà ôîòî íà ÷åðäàêå ðîäèòåëüñêîãî äîìà, óçíàòü êòî èçîáðàæåí íà ôîòî íå ïðåäñòàâëÿåòñÿ âîçìîæíûì, íî ìîæåò áûòü êòî òî ïîäñêàæåò â ôîðìó êàêèõ âîéñê îäåò ýòîò ìóæ÷èíà ( âîçìîæíî â ïîñëåäñòâèè ýòî ïîìîæåò ïîíÿòü êòî ýòî). Çàðàíåå áëàãîäàðþ!!![/q]
Ïðåäïîëîæó ðÿäîâîãî 22-ãî ïåõîòíîãî Íèæåãîðîäñêîãî ïîëêà. 1881 - 1907 --- Èùó èíôîðìàöèþ î Ôëîðîâñêèõ (Ôðîëîâñêèõ), Ñàìñîíèåâñêèõ (Ñàìñîíüåâñêèõ). Ðàéîíû ïðîæèâàíèÿ: ÑÏá; ÑÏá. ãóá.; Àðõàíãåëüñê; Îëîíåöêàÿ ãóá. (Ìîøà); Âûáîðãñêàÿ ãóá. (Êþþð¸ëÿ). Ðîäîñëîâíàÿ òàáëèöà: https://disk.yandex.ru/i/6n7TdiVjRNHBpw] | | |
| Valuxa Íîâè÷îê
Íîâîëóêîìëü Ñîîáùåíèé: 2 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2020 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 0 | Çäðàâñòâóéòå, äðóçüÿ! Ïîìîãèòå îïðåäåëèòü âîéñêà, çâàíèå è íàãðàäû ïî ôîòîãðàôèè ïðåäêîâ. À ìîæåò åùå ãäå è êåì ñäåëàíî ôîòî. Çàðàíåå áëàãîäàðþ.
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| Valuxa Íîâè÷îê
Íîâîëóêîìëü Ñîîáùåíèé: 2 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2020 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 0 | Valuxa íàïèñàë: [q] Çäðàâñòâóéòå, äðóçüÿ! Ïîìîãèòå îïðåäåëèòü âîéñêà, çâàíèå è íàãðàäû ïî ôîòîãðàôèè ïðåäêîâ. À ìîæåò åùå ãäå è êåì ñäåëàíî ôîòî. Çàðàíåå áëàãîäàðþ.[/q]
Íàøëà ïðî ôîòîãðàôà https://zen.yandex.ru/media/vl...673fdfb7ff | | |
G-IsÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà  Ëèïåöê Ñîîáùåíèé: 7653 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 9012 | Ââåðõ #11 ìàÿ 2020 15:25 11 ìàÿ 2020 15:37 Valuxa Çäåñü ñòàðøèé óíòåð-îôèöåð 9-ãî ãðåíàäåðñêîãî Ñèáèðñêîãî ãåíåðàëà-ôåëüäìàðøàëà Âåë. Êí. Íèêîëàÿ Íèêîëàåâè÷à Ñòàðøåãî ïîëêà . Ïîëêîâîé çíàê (ó÷ðåæäåí 21. 12. 1907 ã) è çíàê "Çà îòëè÷íóþ ñòðåëüáó" - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/..._âèíòîâîê».
 --- "Ïóñòü ýòîò ìèð âäàëü ëåòèò ñêâîçü ñòîëåòèÿ, íî íå âñåãäà ïî äîðîãå ìíå ñ íèì..." | | |
| AnnaVysotskaya Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 164 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2016 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 65 | Ââåðõ #11 ìàÿ 2020 15:28 11 ìàÿ 2020 20:07
 --- Âûñîöêèå Ñìåëà Êèåâñêàÿ ãóá., Ãðèãîðüåâû äóõîâåíñòâî Åíèñåéñêàÿ ãóá., Îðëîâû äóõîâåíñòâî Êðàñíîÿðñê, Äóáîâû (Äóáîâîâ) ñ. Êî÷êóøè Ñèìáèðñêàÿ ãóá.
+ Ïðÿ(å)æåííèêîâû êàçàêè Óññóðèéñêîå êàçà÷åñòâî + Âîëêîäàâ, Ãëóøàí ×åðíèãîâñêàÿ ãóá. | | |
| AnnaVysotskaya Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 164 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2016 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 65 | Ââåðõ #11 ìàÿ 2020 15:31 11 ìàÿ 2020 20:08
 --- Âûñîöêèå Ñìåëà Êèåâñêàÿ ãóá., Ãðèãîðüåâû äóõîâåíñòâî Åíèñåéñêàÿ ãóá., Îðëîâû äóõîâåíñòâî Êðàñíîÿðñê, Äóáîâû (Äóáîâîâ) ñ. Êî÷êóøè Ñèìáèðñêàÿ ãóá.
+ Ïðÿ(å)æåííèêîâû êàçàêè Óññóðèéñêîå êàçà÷åñòâî + Âîëêîäàâ, Ãëóøàí ×åðíèãîâñêàÿ ãóá. | | |
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Ñíèìîê ïåðèîäà ÏÌÂ. Ìëàäøèé óíòåð-îôèöåð ëèáî 128-ãî ïåõîòíîãî Ñòàðîîñêîëüñêîãî ïîëêà, ëèáî 128-ãî ïåõîòíîãî çàïàñíîãî ïîëêà. Ïåðâûé ïîëê äî âîéíû ñòîÿë â Âîëûíñêîé ãóá. (ã. Çàñëàâëü), âòîðîé ñ ëåòà 1914 ã â ã. Çëàòîóñòå Óôèìñêîé ãóá. G-Is.