Ðîññèéñêàÿ Èìïåðàòîðñêàÿ àðìèÿ è ôëîò - 2013 / 2019
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24 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 21:34 Gray2010 íàïèñàë: [q] I also have the medal attached to the uniform (it was zoomed in by a forum member named Marija). Would you know what type of medal this is?[/q]
It’s hard to figure out what it is. The image is fuzzy. I suspect that it might be a medal of the order of Saint Anna. Unlike the cross of the order that was intended for officers this medal was given to lower ranks (sergeants, corporals, etc) for various non-combat related achievements and merits like distinguished service, capture of a criminal etc. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/...0%BD%D1%8BGray2010 íàïèñàë: [q] So he served in the Province of Warsaw. Do you think that the little white band will tell us exactly where he served? Did they serve all over Warsaw or somewhere specific in Warsaw?[/q]
Maybe. It’s hard to tell. The horizontal stripe does look similar to the Warsaw governorate coat of arms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_GovernorateHe could serve anywhere on that territory. As I mentioned in my previous answer the city and county police was distinguished by the color of lace on shoulder boards – silver for city units and gold for county. It’s unclear what color is on the photograph but I suspect its gold. | | |
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24 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 21:41 Âòîðàÿ ôîòîãðàôèÿ ýòîãî æå ìóæ÷èíû.
Íà îáîðîòå åñòü íàäïèñü: Êàòòàêóðãàí 1928 ãîä.
Íàøåë òîëüêî ÷òî òàì äèñëîöèðîâàëñÿ 3-é Òóðêåñòàíñêèé àðòèëëåðèéñêèé ïîëê.
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26 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 11:07 Óâàæàåìûå çíàòîêè, äîáðûé äåíü.
Ìíå ïðèñëàëè ôîòî, íà êîòîðîì, ïðåäïîëîæèòåëüíî, ìîè ïðàäåä è ïðàáàáóøêà. Èõ áðàê çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí â 1894ã., ïðàäåäó áûëî 18 ëåò. Æåíàòûõ â àðìèþ áðàëè? Ôîòî , ïðåäïîëîæèòåëüíî, 90-õ ãîäîâ. ×òî ìîæíî îïðåäåëèòü? È åù¸ ñïðîøó: ïîñëå ñëóæáû (5 ëåò?) ìîæíî áûëî çàïèñàòüñÿ â ëþáîå ñîñëîâèå? (îòåö ïðàäåäà - êðåñòüÿíèí, ìàòü - ìåùàíñêàÿ äî÷ü).
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èùó Êàæåöêèõ, Ïîòåõèíûõ Ìàêàðüåâñêèé óåçä (ñ. Âëàäèìèðñêðå), ã. Âàñèëüñóðñê | | |
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26 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 11:09 Ê ïðåäûäóùåìó ôîòî
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èùó Êàæåöêèõ, Ïîòåõèíûõ Ìàêàðüåâñêèé óåçä (ñ. Âëàäèìèðñêðå), ã. Âàñèëüñóðñê | | |
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26 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 12:02 26 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 12:04 nzahnn Âûíóæäåí Âàñ ðàçî÷àðîâàòü...  Íà ôîòî ìåäàëü â ïàìÿòü 100-ëåòèÿ Îòå÷åñòâåííîé âîéíû 1812 ã., îí ñîñòîÿë íà äåéñòâèòåëüíîé ñëóæáå â ÷àñòè , êîòîðàÿ ïðèíèìàëà ó÷àñòèå â âîéíå è ó÷àñòâîâàë â þáèëåéíûõ òîðæåñòâàõ, èáî ñëóæèë â Ìîñêâå.Ñðîê ñëóæáû ñ àïðåëÿ 1906 ã. -- òðè ãîäà. Ýòî íå ñîîòâåòñòâóåò Âàøèì áèîãðàôè÷åñêèì äàííûì. Åôðåéòîð 2-ãî ãðåíàäåðñêîãî Ðîñòîâñêîãî Åãî Èìïåðàòîðñêîãî Âûñî÷åñòâà Âåëèêîãî Êíÿçÿ Ìèõàèëà Àëåêñàíäðîâè÷à ïîëêà. Òåìíî-çåëåíûé ìóíäèð îáð. 1907 ãîäà. Ñïëîøíûå âîðîòíèêè èç öâåòíîãî ñóêíà/ â íàøåì ñëó÷àå ñâåòëî-ñèíåå/ ââåäåíû â ìàå 1912 ã. Íà æåëòûõ ïîãîíàõ ñ àëîé âûïóøêîé- ìåòàëëè÷åñêèé íàêëàäíîé âåíçåëü -- òî ëè âïðÿìü ñëóæèë â 1-é ðîòå, òî ëè "óêðàøàòåëüñòâî", êàê ïîÿñ îáòÿíóòûé ñâåòëî-ñèíèì ñóêíîì, "à -ëÿ êóøàê". Ñêâîçü ñóêíî ïðîñòóïàåò ãðåíàäà îá îäíîì îãíå íà áëÿõå. Òåì íå ìåíåå âèäèì óâàæåíèå ê ôîðìå -- ôóðàæêà áåç êîçûðüêà íàäåòà ïî óñòàâó: îäèí ïàëåö íàä ïðàâîé áðîâüþ, ÷åòûðå - íàä ëåâûì óõîì, à íå çàëèõâàòñêè íà çàòûëêå...  îêòÿáðå 1912 ã. ìóíäèðû ãðåíàäåð áóäóò èçìåíåíû... Çíàê "çà îòëè÷íóþ ñòðåëüáó" è ïîëêîâîé, óòâåðæäåííûé 27 ìàðòà 1908 ã., ïîëó÷åí âî âðåìÿ öåðåìîíèè ïðèñÿãè. Ãðåíàäåð ïðèøåë äîìîé... Ïîñëå ñëóæáû îí èìåë ïðàâî âûáðàòü ëþáîå ìåñòî æèòåëüñòâî íà 1/6 ÷àñòè ñóøè, ëþáîé ðîä çàíÿòèé. ---
"Êòî íå çíàåò èñòèíû î ñâîåì ïðîøëîì, òîò íåäîñòîèí áóäóùåãî." Èñòîðèÿ -- çàíÿòèå óâëåêàòåëüíîå, íî èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî îòâåòñòâåííîå. Èñòîðèê äîëæåí áûòü ìàòåðèàëüíî íåçàâèñèìûì èëè ôàíàòèêîì, êîòîðûé ïðåäïî÷èòàåò æèòü â íèùåòå, íî ïèñàòü òî, ÷òî îí äåéñòâèòåëüíî äóìàåò. | | |
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26 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 12:17 Êàðãîïîëüñêèé Äðàãóí Íàãðóäíûé çíàê, ïî-ìîåìó, 6-ãî ãðåíàäåðñêîãî ãåíåðàë-ôåëüäìàðøàëà ÂÊ Ìèõàèëà Íèêîëàåâè÷à ïîëêà. Õîòåëîñü áû ïîñìîòðåòü âûêàäðîâêó ñ âûñîêèì ðàçðåøåíèåì....
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"Ïóñòü ýòîò ìèð âäàëü ëåòèò ñêâîçü ñòîëåòèÿ, íî íå âñåãäà ïî äîðîãå ìíå ñ íèì..."
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26 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 13:18 G-Is íàïèñàë: [q] Êàðãîïîëüñêèé Äðàãóí Íàãðóäíûé çíàê, ïî-ìîåìó, 6-ãî ãðåíàäåðñêîãî ãåíåðàë-ôåëüäìàðøàëà ÂÊ Ìèõàèëà Íèêîëàåâè÷à ïîëêà. Õîòåëîñü áû ïîñìîòðåòü âûêàäðîâêó ñ âûñîêèì ðàçðåøåíèåì.... [/q]
Í-äà... Ïèêàíòíàÿ ñèòóàöèÿ, Ãåííàäèé Þðüåâè÷ . Îáà øåôà íà "Ìûñëåòå", îäèíàêîâûé ïðèêëàä, çíàêè ñõîæåé êîíôèãóðàöèè... Ðàçíèöà â âûïóøêå ïîãîíà : àëàÿ êàê âûïóøêà ïî áîðòó, ÷àñòü ëåíòû ìåäàëè..., èëè ñâåòëî-ñèíåå , êàê ïðèêëàäíîå. Îïÿòü êàìíè ïðåòêíîâåíèÿ -- êà÷åñòâî ÖÂÅÒÎÏÅÐÅÄÀ×È è ÂÛÊÀÄÐÎÂÊÀ ïîëêîâîãî çíàêà... Ïîêà ñóä äà äåëî, ñôîðìóëèðóåì êðàòêî îòâåò íà îñíîâíîé  nzahnn Ïåðñîíàæ ôîòî, åôðåéòîð âòîðîãî ïîëêà ãðåíàäåðñêîé äèâèçèè, ðàñêâàðòèðîâàííîé â Ìîñêâå, ïî äàòèðîâêå îáìóíäèðîâàíèÿ è ìåäàëè, íå ìîæåò áûòü Âàøèì ïðàäåäîì, ñîãëàñíî ïðåäîñòàâëåííûì âàìè äàííûì... Òîêà íå  ìåíÿ... ---
"Êòî íå çíàåò èñòèíû î ñâîåì ïðîøëîì, òîò íåäîñòîèí áóäóùåãî." Èñòîðèÿ -- çàíÿòèå óâëåêàòåëüíîå, íî èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî îòâåòñòâåííîå. Èñòîðèê äîëæåí áûòü ìàòåðèàëüíî íåçàâèñèìûì èëè ôàíàòèêîì, êîòîðûé ïðåäïî÷èòàåò æèòü â íèùåòå, íî ïèñàòü òî, ÷òî îí äåéñòâèòåëüíî äóìàåò. | | |
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26 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 15:17 Êàðãîïîëüñêèé Äðàãóí íàïèñàë: [q] nzahnn Ïåðñîíàæ ôîòî, åôðåéòîð âòîðîãî ïîëêà ãðåíàäåðñêîé äèâèçèè, ðàñêâàðòèðîâàííîé â Ìîñêâå, ïî äàòèðîâêå îáìóíäèðîâàíèÿ è ìåäàëè, íå ìîæåò áûòü Âàøèì ïðàäåäîì, ñîãëàñíî ïðåäîñòàâëåííûì âàìè äàííûì... Òîêà íå ìåíÿ...[/q]
Ôîòîãðàô Ëåîíèä Ñàæèí òàê æå íå ñìîã áû ñäåëàòü ýòî ôîòî â 1890-õ ãã. Àòåëüå ïîä åãî èìåíåì ïîÿâèëîñü â 1908ã.  Âî âðåìÿ ðóññêî-ÿïîíñêîé ñëóæèë â Ìàíüæóðèè, ñ 1914ïî 1917 îïÿòü â âîéñêàõ ---
Èñòîìèíû ,Êðûêîâû (Òàìáîâñêàÿ ãóá.,Òàìáîâñêèé óåçä ,Àáàêóìîâñêàÿ âîë.) Ñåì¸íîâû , Îñèïîâû( Òîáîëüñêàÿ ãóá. Èøèìñêèé óåçä Äóáûíñêàÿ âîë. ), Ïèñêóëèíû, Êðèâîù¸êîâû, Ïåðåâîçêèíû, Âè(å)íãîëîâñêèå(Òîáîëüñêàÿ ãóá. ßëóòîðîâñêèé óåçä ) | | |
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26 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 18:07 Èâàí Èâàíîâè÷ Øåâêèí. Ìåñòî ðîæäåíèÿ Ëàòâèÿ, 1897 ãîä, íàöèîíàëüíîñòü ëàòûø.
Èç áèîãðàôèè â ìåñòíûõ ãàçåòàõ èçâåñòíî, ÷òî ïîñëå ñìåðòè îòöà ïîåõàë â Ïèòåð íà çàðàáîòêè.  íà÷àëå Ïåðâîé Ìèðîâîé áûë ïðèçâàí. Áûë çàìå÷åí íà÷àëüñòâîì çà àêòèâíîå è áåññòðàøíîå ó÷àñòèå. Äàëè çàäàíèå ðàçâåäàòü ïëàíû íåìöåâ. Ïðîáðàëñÿ â ãåíåðàëüñêèé øòàá è è çàáðàë îòòóäà âàæíûå äîêóìåíòû è êàðòû. Çà ÷òî áûë ïîâûøåí äî óíòåð-îôèöåðà è íàãðàæä¸í Ãåîðãèåâñêèì êðåñòîì.
Ôîòîãðàôèÿ òîëüêî òàêàÿ. Ðîäñòâåííèêè ïðèñëàëè. Ñíà÷àëà êðåñòû è íå çàìåòèëà äàæå.
×òî-òî ìîæíî ðàçãëÿäåòü è äîìûñëèòü?
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Øåâêèíû/Ñïá./LV
Àñòèê/FI/LV
Ïèí÷óê/-îâû/LV
Ñàìóéëîâû/Ñåáåæ.îáë.,Êëèí
Èãíàòüåâû/Ñåáåæñêàÿ îáë.,Ëîìû
Ôîêèíû,Ñèíÿåâû/Òóëüñêàÿ îáë.,Ìèòèí Çàâîä
Áðîâêî/Ïîëòàâ.îáë./Áàåâñê.ð-í
Ñàïèëüíÿê/Ïîëòàâ.îáë.,ñ.Ìàÿ÷êà
Ðóäåíêî/Ïîëòàâ.îáë.,ñ.Êàíàâû
Ãóáàðü/Ïîëòàâ.îá | | |
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26 ÿíâàðÿ 2018 19:41 Talika 1897 ã. äîñðî÷íî ïðèçâàëè â 1916 ã. Íà ëåâîì ôëàíãå ñò. óíòåð-îôèöåð ñ Ãåîðãèåâñêèìè êðåñòàìè 3-é è 4-é ñò. Ìàëî èíôîðìàòèâíîå îáìóíäèðîâàíèå çàùèòíîãî öâåòà, øèôðîâêà --- , íàøèâêè íà ïîãîíàõ èç îðàíæåâîé òåñüìû. Ýòîé æå òåñüìîé "óêðàøåíà" êîêàðäà... Äëÿ ìàñêèðîâêè èõ îáòÿãèâàëè ñóêíîì èëè îêðàøèâàëè, ïîçæå îñîáî ðåâîëþöèîííî íàñòðîåííûå èñïîëüçîâàëè âìåñòî çàùèòíîãî öâåòà - êðàñíûé. Ñàïîãè ïåøèõ ÷àñòåé -- ãîëåíèùà ïðÿìûå, èç íå÷åðíåííîé êîæè. Âîò ÷òî ìîæíî ðàçãëÿäåòü... À äîìûñëèâàòü -- äåëî áåëëåòðèñòîâ... Ìîæåò ïîñòóïèë äîáðîâîëüöåì â íàöèîíàëüíûå ëàòûøñêèå ÷àñòè, êòî çíàåò ? Ôîòî íàì íå ïîäñêàæåò. ---
"Êòî íå çíàåò èñòèíû î ñâîåì ïðîøëîì, òîò íåäîñòîèí áóäóùåãî." Èñòîðèÿ -- çàíÿòèå óâëåêàòåëüíîå, íî èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî îòâåòñòâåííîå. Èñòîðèê äîëæåí áûòü ìàòåðèàëüíî íåçàâèñèìûì èëè ôàíàòèêîì, êîòîðûé ïðåäïî÷èòàåò æèòü â íèùåòå, íî ïèñàòü òî, ÷òî îí äåéñòâèòåëüíî äóìàåò. | | |
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Ïîìîùíèê êîìàíäèðà ïîëêà èëè åìó ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèé. Âîçìîæíî, ïåòëèöû àðòèëëåðèéñêèå (÷¸ðíûå ñ êðàñíûì êàíòîì). G-Is.