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20 ôåâðàëÿ 2009 21:34èùó ðîäñòâåíèêîâ [q] ß, Ñàçîíîâ Àíàòîëèé Þðüåâè÷ èùó â Àâñòðàëèè,
äÿäþ Ñàçîíîâà Àíàòîëèÿ Ô¸äîðîâè÷à,
áðàòüåâ Ñàçîíîâà Àëåêñàíäðà Àíàòîëüåâè÷à,
Ñàçîíîâà Þðèÿ Àíàòîëüåâè÷à
è Ñàçîíîâó(äåâè÷üÿ) Òàìàðó Àíàòîëüåâíó.
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Elena Govor Canberra, Australia Ñîîáùåíèé: 212 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 201 | Íàâåðõ ##
4 àïðåëÿ 2024 12:29 4 àïðåëÿ 2024 12:32 vao721 íàïèñàë: [q] èùó èíôîðìàöèþ î ñåìüå Áîðêîâñêèé (Borcovsky). [/q]
Hi vao721, It looks that they lived in South Australia and that is why materials about them are very scarce. I have a record that Dimitry & Don's Burkovsky (sic) applied for alien registration in 1917, the entry about them says only "1920 Port Pirie, South Australia". This card was in Melbourne office of the National Archives of Australia, but does not appear in their record search. I suggest you writing to the NAA Adelaide office and to check if they have their alien registration and naturalisation. I also have information about this family in Peter Simonoff's list of Russians wishing to return to Russia in about 1918-1920 with the following information: "Borkovsky Dmitry, 5 Revell Str., Port Pirie, wife three children, 1913". 1913 - must be the year of their arrival. There are several naturalisation files of Borcovskys in New Zealand archives, but I guess you have seen them. Is it correct that Eugenia arrived in Australia in 1915 per St Albans as Mrs Starkoff (Starcoff)? Èçëîæåíèå ïî-ðóññêè: Æèëè â Þæíîé Àâñòðàëèè, åñòü óïîìèíàíèå î Äìèòðèè ñðåäè êàðòî÷åê èíîñòðàííûõ ïîääàííûõ â àðõèâå Ìåëüáóðíà, íî ñàìî äîñüå ìîæåò áûòü â àðõèâå Àäåëàèäû. Åñòü óïîìèíàíèå î ñåìüå â ñïèñêå Ñèìîíîâà - Äìèòðèé, æåíà è òðîå äåòåé, æèâóò â Ïîðò-Ïèðè (ðóññêèå, æåëàâøèå âåðíóòüñÿ íà ðîäèíó â 1918-1920 ãã.). Íåñêîëüêî äîñüå î íàòóðàëèçàöèè Áîðêîâñêèõ åñòü â àðõèâå Íîâîé Çåëïíäèè. Ìîãëà ëè Åâãåíèÿ âúåõàòü â Àâñòðàëèþ ïîä ôàìèëèåé Ñòàðêîâ â 1915 ã.? | | Ëàéê (4) |
| vao721 Íà÷èíàþùèé
New Zealand
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4 àïðåëÿ 2024 13:38 4 àïðåëÿ 2024 14:41 >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ Elena Govor îò 4 àïðåëÿ 2024 12:29 Hello! Interestingly there has been long talk that possibly Dimitri's last name was originally Starkov, but then they changed it to Borcovsky when leaving Harbin and Russia. I did find ship records showing the family, including Eugenia, arriving in Japan in 1912 before leaving to Australia then arriving in Adelaide in 1913. It could be possible that Eugenia left then returned but I don't know as most details of her life are very unknown because she lived her life in Australia after her and Dimitri separated in 1923, her children having very little to do with her until the 1950s. Update - reading through Tommy's (Anatole) writing on family search says that "We spent some time here [In Japan] and then started off in a steamer for Australia via Singapore. We did the same trip later, just before the commencement of the great war.
." There was talk for a long time in my family that Elena (Helen) was left behind in Russia/China and these ship records possibly show Eugenia, Val and Tommy going back to get her? I have seen the naturalisation records and knew about them because Val was supposed to go to the Olympics for boxing but couldn't because he wasn't naturalised yet. I'm not sure who Don who is but I know that Dimitri did have a brother but his name is unknown. ---
Ñòàðêîâ (Ñàðàòîâ), Ãàðïèíåíêî/Ãàðïåíåíêî (Ïîëòàâà)
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| Umaneturman Ó÷àñòíèê
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13 àïðåëÿ 2024 8:31 Ñåñòðà ìîåé ïðàáàáóøêè Îëüãà Ìèðîíîâíà Ïåòðîâà1915 ãîäà ðîäèëàñü â Ìàíü÷æóðèè, òàì âûøëà çàìóæ çà Âëàäèìèðà Ñåìåíîâè÷à Àëòàáàñîâà, ïðîæèâàëè ïîñ.Âåðõíå -Êóëè, òàì æå ðîäèëèñü èõ äåòè, ïîñëå 1946 ãîäà(.ïðåäïîëîæèòåëüíî íûé ïåðèîä) óåõàëà â Àâñòðàëèè , ãäå óìåðëà â 1988 ãîäó. Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ. Åå ìóæ Âëàäèìèð, æåíèëñÿ ïîâòîðíî, èõ äåòè îñòàëèñü ñ íèì. Èùó ëþáóþ èíôîðìàöèþ. | | |
| vao721 Íà÷èíàþùèé
New Zealand
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15 àïðåëÿ 2024 10:47 15 àïðåëÿ 2024 16:02 Hello again,
I'm trying to track down if Eugenia Borcovsky (Maiden name - Jugerov/Dyurgerova) ever naturalised. I'm not sure if she was naturalised. Also struggling to find her death and burial records. A few ancestry sites have her death date and location as April 9, 1962 in Manly, New South Wales but with no source or records attached.
UPDATE! She remarried to Timothy Guguk (Dschuschuk) and is burried as Eugene Guguk! ---
Ñòàðêîâ (Ñàðàòîâ), Ãàðïèíåíêî/Ãàðïåíåíêî (Ïîëòàâà)
Íå ãîâîðèòå ïî-ðóññêè, âîñïîëüçóéòåñü ïåðåâîä÷èêîì. èçâèíèòå çà ÿçûêîâûå îøèáêè. | | |
Elena GovorCanberra, Australia Ñîîáùåíèé: 212 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 201 | Íàâåðõ ##
15 àïðåëÿ 2024 14:05 15 àïðåëÿ 2024 16:50 Umaneturman íàïèñàë: [q] Ñåñòðà ìîåé ïðàáàáóøêè Îëüãà Ìèðîíîâíà Ïåòðîâà1915 ãîäà ðîäèëàñü â Ìàíü÷æóðèè, òàì âûøëà çàìóæ çà Âëàäèìèðà Ñåìåíîâè÷à Àëòàáàñîâà, ïðîæèâàëè ïîñ.Âåðõíå -Êóëè, òàì æå ðîäèëèñü èõ äåòè, ïîñëå 1946 ãîäà(.ïðåäïîëîæèòåëüíî íûé ïåðèîä) óåõàëà â Àâñòðàëèè , ãäå óìåðëà â 1988 ãîäó. Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ. Åå ìóæ Âëàäèìèð, æåíèëñÿ ïîâòîðíî, èõ äåòè îñòàëèñü ñ íèì. Èùó ëþáóþ èíôîðìàöèþ.[/q]
Ïîõîæå, ÷òî ó íèõ áûëî íåñêîëüêî äåòåé è òåïåðü â Êâèíñëåíäå æèâåò íåñêîëüêî ÷ëåíîâ ýòîé ñåìüè. Èùèòå â Google íà äâà ñëîâà ñðàçó: Altabasoff Queensland Òàêæå îíè åñòü â Ôåéñáóêå. | | Ëàéê (2) |
| AlexGl Íîâè÷îê
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25 àïðåëÿ 2024 12:14 25 àïðåëÿ 2024 12:24 Äîáðûé äåíü. Ìîæåò ïîäñêàæèòå êàê íàéòè ÷åëîâåêà â Àâñòðàëèè? Æóðàâëåâà Ñâåòëàíà Íèêîëàåâíà 1960ã.ð. | | |
| Branislava Ó÷àñòíèê
Vitebsk
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19 ìàÿ 2024 22:21  1950-å ãã â Àâñòðàëèè æèëà Aleksandra Hohti , ïî ìóæó Katajala (1913 ãð, óìåðëà â Àâñòðàëèè 14 ñåíòÿáðÿ 1994 ã.). Îáñòîÿòåëüñòâà ïåðååçäà (ïîçæå 1938ã) Àëåêñàíäðû â Àâñòðàëèþ ìíå íåèçâåñòíû, õîòÿ, êîíå÷íî, î÷åíü èíòåðåñóþò, êàê è ëþáûå ïîäðîáíîñòè î æèçíè ýòîé æåíùèíû. Íà ñàéòå https://www.geni.com/ åñòü ñâåäåíèÿ îá Àëåêñàíäðå è åå äåòÿõ https://www.geni.com/people/Al...4977818346Çàìóæ îíà âûøëà åùå íà ðîäèíå, â Ôèíëÿíäèè, è òàì æå ðîäèëàñü åå ñòàðøàÿ äî÷ü Eila Anneli Czopnik (Katajala). Åå âòîðàÿ äî÷ü Marja Kaarina Katajala, âåðîÿòíî, ðîäèëàñü óæå â Àâñòðàëèè (1953ã.) è òàì æå óìåðëà (ãîä è ìåñòî íåèçâåñòíû) Èñõîäÿ èç ñâåäåíèé î äâóõ ñ¸ñòðàõ, â ñåìüå Àëåêñàíäðû áûëè è äðóãèå äåòè - Yksityinen Katajala; Yksityinen Gyo è Yksityinen Gasch. ×òî îçíà÷àåò "Yksityinen", íå ìîãó ïîíÿòü. Âîçìîæíî, "íåèçâåñòíûé" - êàê ïèøóò î åùå æèâûõ ëþäÿõ, èíôîðìàöèÿ î êîòîðûõ ÿâëÿåòñÿ òàéíîé? Íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíÿëà, ýòî ðîäíûå äåòè Àëåêñàíäðû? Áûëè åùå è ïðè¸ìíûå - äåòè ìóæà îò ïåðâîãî áðàêà (Setri Edvin Katajala), óìåðøåãî â Àâñòðàëèè 18 àïðåëÿ 1972 ã. â òîì ÷èñëå Lasse Johannes Katajala, ðîäèâøèéñÿ â 1932ã â Ôèíëÿíäèè è óìåðøèé â 1996 ã. â Ìåëüáóðíå. Åñëè âåðèòü ñàéòó https://www.geni.com, åãî ñòàðøàÿ äî÷ü Satu Päivikki Katajala ðîäèëàñü â Ôèíëÿíäèè â 1955ã. Âîçìîæíî, îíà äî ñèõ ïîð æèâåò â Àâñòðàëèè? Âîçìîæíî, â Àâñòðàëèè æèâóò è äðóãèå ïîòîìêè Àëåêñàíäðû (Katajala) Hohti ëèáî åå ìóæà Áóäó áëàãîäàðíà çà ëþáûå ïîäðîáíîñòè î æèçíè Àëåêñàíäðû (Katajala) Hohti, åå ïîòîìêîâ è ïîòîìêîâ åå ìóæà îò ïåðâîé æåíû. Âñòðå÷àåòñÿ ëè âîîáùå ñåãîäíÿ â Àâñòðàëèè ôàìèëèÿ Katajala? | | |
| Alexei Berdnik
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21 ìàÿ 2024 5:46 21 ìàÿ 2024 12:32 Branislava íàïèñàë: [q] Âñòðå÷àåòñÿ ëè âîîáùå ñåãîäíÿ â Àâñòðàëèè ôàìèëèÿ Katajala?[/q]
Ó÷èòûâàÿ, ÷òî âû óïîìèíàëè Ìåëüáóðí, êàê ìåñòî ïðîæèâàíèÿ, ïðîñòîé ïîèñê â ãóãëå ïî ñëîâàì katajala victoria australia äàåò ññûëêè íà ïðîôèëè íåñêîëüêèõ ïåðñîí â FB È LinkedIn ìîæíî óáðàòü ñëîâî victora è ïîñìîòðåòü ÷òî âûéäåò ïî âñåì øòàòàì. https://www.google.com/search?...0australia ---
Áåðäíèê, Ãðèáàíîâ- Âÿæíîâêà, Ñóðàæñêèé Ó, ×åðíèãîâñêàÿ ãóá.
Ôåäîñååâ - Àêèìîâêà, Òàâðè÷åñêàÿ/Çàïîðîæñêàÿ. Î÷åðåòÿíûé - Åêàòåðèíîñëàâñêîé, Íåõâîðîùà Ïîëòàâñêîé, Òåðåùåíêî-×åðíèãîâñêîé, Ïðèìîðñêîé. Ñàïåãà - Ãîìåëüñêîé. Çûáëåâ - Ïåí÷èí, Ãîìåëüñêîé | | |
Avarty Ñîîáùåíèé: 347 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2016 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 229 | Íàâåðõ ##
22 ìàÿ 2024 16:52 >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ Branislava îò 19 ìàÿ 2024 22:21 The Age • Page 11 Thursday, January 23, 1964 Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Ñïèñîê ó÷åíèêîâ., ïîëó÷èâøèõ ãîñ.ñòåïåíäèè: ðàéîí Footscray, K. Katajala. ---
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AvartyÑîîáùåíèé: 347 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2016 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 229 | Íàâåðõ ##
22 ìàÿ 2024 19:26 Branislava íàïèñàë: [q] ×òî îçíà÷àåò "Yksityinen", íå ìîãó ïîíÿòü. Âîçìîæíî, "íåèçâåñòíûé" - êàê ïèøóò î åùå æèâûõ ëþäÿõ, èíôîðìàöèÿ î êîòîðûõ ÿâëÿåòñÿ òàéíîé?
Íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíÿëà, ýòî ðîäíûå äåòè Àëåêñàíäðû?
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Yksityinen - ýòî "×àñòíûé/Private", òî åñòü èìÿ ñêðûòî. Branislava íàïèñàë: [q]
Åñëè âåðèòü ñàéòó https://www.geni.com, åãî ñòàðøàÿ äî÷ü Satu Päivikki Katajala ðîäèëàñü â Ôèíëÿíäèè â 1955ã. Âîçìîæíî, îíà äî ñèõ ïîð æèâåò â Àâñòðàëèè?[/q]
 äðåâå íà myheritage îíà ïîìå÷åíà êàê óæå ñêîí÷àâøàÿñÿ. Äàòû ñìåðòè íåò. ---
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Êîììåíòàðèé ìîäåðàòîðà:
Ïîèñê ïî Àâñòðàëèè:
Íàöèîíàëüíûé àðõèâ Àâñòðàëèè. http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx
Òåëåôîííûé ñïðàâî÷íèê Àâñòðàëèè: http://www.whitepages.com.au/
Íàöèîíàëüíàÿ áèáëèîòåêà Àâñòðàëèè ( îíëàéí àðõèâ ãàçåò, æóðíàëîâ) http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/
The Ryerson Index. Çàìåòêè î ñìåðòè â ãàçåòàõ Àâñòðàëèè http://ryersonindex.net/search.php
Íåêðîëîãè http://oa.anu.edu.au/
Àncestry http://search.ancestry.com
FamilySearch https://familysearch.org/search/
Findmypast http://www.findmypast.com/
Çàïèñè î ðîæäåíèè, ñìåðòè, áðàêå ïî àäìèíèñòðàòèâíîìó äåëåíèþ.
New South Wales, NSW http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Page...story.aspx
Queensland, QLD https://www.qld.gov.au/law/bir...-research/
South Australia, SA https://www.genealogysa.org.au...bases.html
Tasmania, TAS http://www.linc.tas.gov.au/fam...riage.aspx
Victoria, VIC http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home...y+history/
Western Australia, WA http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/
Northern Territory, NT https://www.nla.gov.au/researc...-territory
Australian Capital Territory, ACT https://www.nla.gov.au/researc...-territory
Ñïèñîê ðóññêèõ èììèãðàíòîâ ïðèáûâøèõ â 1913 ã. â Àâñòðàëèþ
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/JCNh/ap4tc8pz8
Ñïèñîê äåòåé ðóññêèõ èììèãðàíòîâ çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûõ â îäíó èç øêîë Àâñòðàëèè â 1931 ã.
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/5i8F/4q2gNioLq
"Èììèãðàíò" è "Ýìèãðàíò" - ñëîâà — àíòîíèìû, è îá îäíîì ÷åëîâåêå ìîæíî ñêàçàòü, ÷òî îí èììèãðàíò äëÿ òîé ñòðàíû, â êîòîðóþ îí ïåðåñåëèëñÿ, è ýìèãðàíò — äëÿ òîé ñòðàíû, êîòîðóþ ïîêèíóë.