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20 ôåâðàëÿ 2009 21:34èùó ðîäñòâåíèêîâ [q] ß, Ñàçîíîâ Àíàòîëèé Þðüåâè÷ èùó â Àâñòðàëèè,
äÿäþ Ñàçîíîâà Àíàòîëèÿ Ô¸äîðîâè÷à,
áðàòüåâ Ñàçîíîâà Àëåêñàíäðà Àíàòîëüåâè÷à,
Ñàçîíîâà Þðèÿ Àíàòîëüåâè÷à
è Ñàçîíîâó(äåâè÷üÿ) Òàìàðó Àíàòîëüåâíó.
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13 ÿíâàðÿ 2024 20:03 13 ÿíâàðÿ 2024 20:05 Äîáðûé äåíü! Èùó ðîäñòâåííèêîâ â Àâñòðàëèè! ßâëÿþñü ïðàíóêîì ñåñòðû ÑÎÊÎËÎÂÀ-ÊÀËÈØÑÊÎÃÎ Àëåêñåÿ Ïåòðîâè÷à (? — 18 àïð. 1958, Ñèíãàïóð). Êîðàáåëüíûé ãàðäåìàðèí.  ïåðâûå äíè Âåëèêîé âîéíû íåìöû çàíÿëè ã. Êàëèø, ãäå åãî îòåö áûë íà÷àëüíèêîì ìåñòíîãî êàçíà÷åéñòâà. Íå âèäÿ âîçìîæíîñòè ñïàñòè ãîñóäàðñòâåííîå èìóùåñòâî, îí äåíüãè è âñå èìóùåñòâî ñæåã, çà ÷òî áûë ðàññòðåëÿí íåìöàìè.  âîçäàÿíèå
çà åãî ïîäâèã ãîñóäàðü èìïåðàòîð ïîâåëåë ñåìüå èìåíîâàòüñÿ Ñîêîëîâûìè-Êàëèøåêè- ìè, âîçâåë â ïîòîìñòâåííîå äâîðÿíñòâî, ïîëîæèë ïîëíóþ ïåíñèþ. Äî÷ü áûëà îïðåäåëåíà íà êàçåííûé ñ÷åò â Ñìîëüíûé èíñòèòóò, à ñûí, ïî åãî æåëàíèþ, áûë îïðåäåëåí â Ìîðñêîé êîðïóñ, êîòîðûé À.Ï. îêîí÷èë â 1920 ã. Ïëàâàë íà Äàëüíåì Âîñòîêå è áûë â àðìèè àäì. Êîë÷àêà.  ýìèãðàöèè ñïåðâà ïëàâàë ïîìîùíèêîì íà êèòàéñêèõ ïàðîõîäàõ, ïîòîì â àíãëèéñêîé
China Navigation Co., ãäå äîñëóæèëñÿ äî ïåíñèè è, óéäÿ îòòóäà, ïîñòóïèë êàïèòàíîì íà ïîñëåäíåå ìåñòî. 18 àïð. 1958 ã. â Ñèíãàïóðå îí óòîíóë, âîçâðàùàÿñü ñ áåðåãà íà ñâîé êîðàáëü.
Åãî ñåìüÿ — â Àâñòðàëèè.
Ïî äàííûì È.Ì. Áåëàâåíöà, èç ÷èñëà âûïóñêíèêîâ Âëàäèâîñòîêñêîãî ìîðñêîãî ó÷èëèùà 1920 ã, îêàçàâøèõñÿ â ýìèãðàöèè, ê ñåðåäèíå 50-õ ãã. â Àâñòðàëèè ïðîæèâàëî 7 ÷åëîâåê ñ ñåìüÿìè: Ä.Ì. Ãîðíûõ, Ä.Ä. Ïñèîë, Ê.À. Ëþáàðñêèé (îí ñåìüè íå èìåë), À.Ï. Ñîêîëîâ-Êàëèøñêèé, Ê.À. Ñëþç, à òàêæå Ôàääååâ è Âîðîáüåâ. Êðîìå òîãî, íà ïÿòûé êîíòèíåíò ïåðåñåëèëèñü âçðîñëûå ñûíîâüÿ åùå äâîèõ âûïóñêíèêîâ: Êàçàíñêîãî è Èëüèíñêîãî. Âñå îíè ïîïàëè â Àâñòðàëèþ èç Åâðîïû èëè Õàðáèíà ïîñëå îêîí÷àíèÿ Âòîðîé ìèðîâîé âîéíû. È òîëüêî Ê.À. Ëþáàðñêèé æèë â Àâñòðàëèè ñ 1922 ã., òî åñòü ñî âðåìåíè íà÷àëà ñâîåé ýìèãðàöèè.  èòîãå Àâñòðàëèÿ, êàê ïèøåò È.Ì. Áåëàâåíåö, «ñòàíîâèòñÿ íåêîòîðûì öåíòðîì íàøåãî âûïóñêà». Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, äâîå – Âîðîáüåâ è Ôàääååâ çàòåðÿëèñü íà ïÿòîì êîíòèíåíòå, íî îñòàëüíûå ïðîäîëæàëè ïîääåðæèâàòü ìåæäó ñîáîé ñâÿçü. Á À.Ï. Ñîêîëîâ-Êàëèøñêèé – â Áðèñáåíå
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Êî÷åòêîâ Äìèòðèé. | | Ëàéê (1) |
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14 ÿíâàðÿ 2024 6:55 14 ÿíâàðÿ 2024 6:55 kochetkov_Dmitiy íàïèñàë: [q] Èùó ðîäñòâåííèêîâ â Àâñòðàëèè! ßâëÿþñü ïðàíóêîì ñåñòðû ÑÎÊÎËÎÂÀ-ÊÀËÈØÑÊÎÃÎ Àëåêñåÿ Ïåòðîâè÷à (? — 18 àïð. 1958, Ñèíãàïóð).[/q]
 Íàöèîíàëüíîì àðõèâå Àâñòðàëèè åñòü äâà äåëà, ïîñâÿùåííûõ Àëåêñåþ Ñîêîëîâó. Îòíîñèòåëüíî ïåðâîãî - íå î÷åíü ÿñíî, îòíîñèòåëüíî âòîðîãî - òî÷íî îí, ýòî ïðèãëàøåíèå Ëþáàðñêîãî íà âúåçä â Àâñòðàëèþ. Èç íåãî ìîæíî çàêëþ÷èòü, ÷òî ó Àëåêñåÿ Ïåòðîâè÷à áûëà æåíà Îëüãà è äî÷ü Òàòüÿíà. Âúåõàëè ëè îíè â Àâñòðàëèþ - íåÿñíî.  ñïèñêàõ èçáèðàòåëåé â Êâèíñëåíäå åñòü ñåìüÿ Îëüãè Ñåðãååâíû Ñîêîëîâîé è Íàòàëüè Àëåêñååâíû Ñîêîëîâîé, íî ýòî ìîãóò áûòü íå ðîäñòâåííèêè Àëåêñåÿ Ïàâëîâè÷à.  Àâñòðàëèè áûëè è äðóãèå Ñîêîëîâû ñ òàêèìè æå èìåíàìè. 
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4 àïðåëÿ 2024 3:11 4 àïðåëÿ 2024 6:24 Ïðèâåò,
èùó èíôîðìàöèþ î ñåìüå Áîðêîâñêèé (Borcovsky). Îíè ïðèáûëè â 1913 ãîäó. Èõ çâàëè Äìèòðèé è Åâãåíèÿ (Jane or Eugenia), èõ äåòåé çâàëè Åëåíà, Àíàòîëü, Âàëåíòèí, Îëüãà, Äìèòðèé è Äæåðàëüä. Íåèçâåñòíî, ÷òî ñëó÷èëîñü ñ Åëåíîé, íî Îëüãà è Äìèòðèé óìåðëè î÷åíü ìîëîäûìè. Äìèòðèé è òðîå èõ ñûíîâåé óåõàëè â Íîâóþ Çåëàíäèþ â 1926 ãîäó. Åâãåíèÿ ïåðååõàëà â Broken Hill â 1923 ãîäó, çàòåì â Áðèñáåí â 1930 ãîäó è, î÷åâèäíî, óìåðëà â Ìýíëè â 1962 ãîäó, íî ìíå íå óäàëîñü íàéòè çàïèñè î åå ñìåðòè.
Brisbane address: 11 Gibbon street, Woolongabba, Brisbane ---
Ñòàðêîâ (Ñàðàòîâ), Ãàðïèíåíêî/Ãàðïåíåíêî (Ïîëòàâà)
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4 àïðåëÿ 2024 12:29 4 àïðåëÿ 2024 12:32 vao721 íàïèñàë: [q] èùó èíôîðìàöèþ î ñåìüå Áîðêîâñêèé (Borcovsky). [/q]
Hi vao721, It looks that they lived in South Australia and that is why materials about them are very scarce. I have a record that Dimitry & Don's Burkovsky (sic) applied for alien registration in 1917, the entry about them says only "1920 Port Pirie, South Australia". This card was in Melbourne office of the National Archives of Australia, but does not appear in their record search. I suggest you writing to the NAA Adelaide office and to check if they have their alien registration and naturalisation. I also have information about this family in Peter Simonoff's list of Russians wishing to return to Russia in about 1918-1920 with the following information: "Borkovsky Dmitry, 5 Revell Str., Port Pirie, wife three children, 1913". 1913 - must be the year of their arrival. There are several naturalisation files of Borcovskys in New Zealand archives, but I guess you have seen them. Is it correct that Eugenia arrived in Australia in 1915 per St Albans as Mrs Starkoff (Starcoff)? Èçëîæåíèå ïî-ðóññêè: Æèëè â Þæíîé Àâñòðàëèè, åñòü óïîìèíàíèå î Äìèòðèè ñðåäè êàðòî÷åê èíîñòðàííûõ ïîääàííûõ â àðõèâå Ìåëüáóðíà, íî ñàìî äîñüå ìîæåò áûòü â àðõèâå Àäåëàèäû. Åñòü óïîìèíàíèå î ñåìüå â ñïèñêå Ñèìîíîâà - Äìèòðèé, æåíà è òðîå äåòåé, æèâóò â Ïîðò-Ïèðè (ðóññêèå, æåëàâøèå âåðíóòüñÿ íà ðîäèíó â 1918-1920 ãã.). Íåñêîëüêî äîñüå î íàòóðàëèçàöèè Áîðêîâñêèõ åñòü â àðõèâå Íîâîé Çåëïíäèè. Ìîãëà ëè Åâãåíèÿ âúåõàòü â Àâñòðàëèþ ïîä ôàìèëèåé Ñòàðêîâ â 1915 ã.? | | Ëàéê (4) |
| vao721 Íà÷èíàþùèé
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4 àïðåëÿ 2024 13:38 4 àïðåëÿ 2024 14:41 >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ Elena Govor îò 4 àïðåëÿ 2024 12:29 Hello! Interestingly there has been long talk that possibly Dimitri's last name was originally Starkov, but then they changed it to Borcovsky when leaving Harbin and Russia. I did find ship records showing the family, including Eugenia, arriving in Japan in 1912 before leaving to Australia then arriving in Adelaide in 1913. It could be possible that Eugenia left then returned but I don't know as most details of her life are very unknown because she lived her life in Australia after her and Dimitri separated in 1923, her children having very little to do with her until the 1950s. Update - reading through Tommy's (Anatole) writing on family search says that "We spent some time here [In Japan] and then started off in a steamer for Australia via Singapore. We did the same trip later, just before the commencement of the great war.
." There was talk for a long time in my family that Elena (Helen) was left behind in Russia/China and these ship records possibly show Eugenia, Val and Tommy going back to get her? I have seen the naturalisation records and knew about them because Val was supposed to go to the Olympics for boxing but couldn't because he wasn't naturalised yet. I'm not sure who Don who is but I know that Dimitri did have a brother but his name is unknown. ---
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Êîììåíòàðèé ìîäåðàòîðà:
Ïîèñê ïî Àâñòðàëèè:
Íàöèîíàëüíûé àðõèâ Àâñòðàëèè. http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx
Òåëåôîííûé ñïðàâî÷íèê Àâñòðàëèè: http://www.whitepages.com.au/
Íàöèîíàëüíàÿ áèáëèîòåêà Àâñòðàëèè ( îíëàéí àðõèâ ãàçåò, æóðíàëîâ) http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/
The Ryerson Index. Çàìåòêè î ñìåðòè â ãàçåòàõ Àâñòðàëèè http://ryersonindex.net/search.php
Íåêðîëîãè http://oa.anu.edu.au/
Àncestry http://search.ancestry.com
FamilySearch https://familysearch.org/search/
Findmypast http://www.findmypast.com/
Çàïèñè î ðîæäåíèè, ñìåðòè, áðàêå ïî àäìèíèñòðàòèâíîìó äåëåíèþ.
New South Wales, NSW http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Page...story.aspx
Queensland, QLD https://www.qld.gov.au/law/bir...-research/
South Australia, SA https://www.genealogysa.org.au...bases.html
Tasmania, TAS http://www.linc.tas.gov.au/fam...riage.aspx
Victoria, VIC http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home...y+history/
Western Australia, WA http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/
Northern Territory, NT https://www.nla.gov.au/researc...-territory
Australian Capital Territory, ACT https://www.nla.gov.au/researc...-territory
Ñïèñîê ðóññêèõ èììèãðàíòîâ ïðèáûâøèõ â 1913 ã. â Àâñòðàëèþ
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/JCNh/ap4tc8pz8
Ñïèñîê äåòåé ðóññêèõ èììèãðàíòîâ çàðåãèñòðèðîâàííûõ â îäíó èç øêîë Àâñòðàëèè â 1931 ã.
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/5i8F/4q2gNioLq
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