Ñàáåëüôåëüä (Sabelfeld)
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20 îêòÿáðÿ 2010 0:39 Irma SabelfeldÍàâåðíÿêà Âû âèäåëè ôîòîãðàôèþ ìåëüíèöû áðàòüåâ Ñàáåëüôåëüä íà ñàéòå "DIE GESCHICHTE DER WOLGADEUTSCHEN", íî äóìàþ, ÷òî îíà óêðàñèò Âàøó òåìó. --- Âñå ìîè ëè÷íûå äàííûå ðàçìåùåíû ìíîþ íà ñàéòå äîáðîâîëüíî è ñïåöèàëüíî äëÿ ïîèñêà ðîäñòâåííèêîâ
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20 îêòÿáðÿ 2010 0:39 Îäåññà3: Sabelfeld, Andreas Hess, Anna Elisabeth 17 Jul 1766 Domkirche Sabelfeld, Anna 1852 Katharinenstadt A3342-EWZ50-E057 1000 geb. Diesendorf Sabelfeld, Karl 1850 Katharinenstadt A3342-EWZ50-E057 1000 gest. in Katharinenstadt Sabelfeld, Emma 18 Jul 1898 Marxstadt A3342EWZ50-H007 1308 geb. Michaelis Sabelfeld, Friedrich 24 Apr 1898 Marxstadt A3342EWZ50-H007 1308 Sabelfeld, Luba 18 Jun 1923 Suchowtschizy A3342EWZ50-H007 1308 geb. Schneck Sabelfeld, Robert 12 May 1920 Marxstadt A3342EWZ50-H007 1308 Sabelfeld, David 1855 Marxstadt A3342EWZ50-E086 1087 Sabelfeld, Henrietta 1860 Marxstadt A3342EWZ50-E086 1087 geb. Wasmuth Sabelfeld, Alexander 3 Mar 1889 Marxstadt A3342-EWZ50-H001 1552 Sabelfeld, Alexander 3 Mar 1889 Marxstadt A3342-EWZ50-H002 0536 Sabelfeld, Anna Luise 30 Apr 1876 Marxstadt A3342-EWZ50-H001 1416 geb. Gunter Sabelfeld, Karl 28 Feb 1873 Marxstadt A3342-EWZ50-H001 1416 Sabelfeld, Katharine 23 Mar 1892 Marxstadt A3342-EWZ50-H001 1552 geb. Winschuh Sabelfeld, Katharine 23 Mar 1892 Marxstadt A3342-EWZ50-H002 0536 geb. Winschuh Sabelfeld, Johann 1860 Marxstadt A3342EWZ50-J036 0676 Sabelfeld, Maria 1864 Neep A3342EWZ50-J036 0676 Âñå îòñþäà: http://odessa3.org/collections/war/dai/link/luebeck.txthttp://odessa3.org/collections/war/ewz/link/a3342-50.txthttp://odessa3.org/collections/war/ewz/link/ewzmisc7.txthttp://odessa3.org/collections/war/ewz/link/ewzms171.txthttp://odessa3.org/collections/war/ewz/link/ewzms187.txthttp://odessa3.org/collections/war/ewz/link/ewzms197.txthttp://odessa3.org/collections/war/ewz/link/ewzmsc52.txthttp://odessa3.org/collections/war/ewz/link/ewzmsc70.txt | | |
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20 îêòÿáðÿ 2010 0:59 Wilhelm Sabelfeld Irma SabelfeldÂèëüãåëüì Ñàáåëüôåëüä óïîìèíàåòñÿ â íåìåöêîé êíèãå "Heimatbuch der Deutschen aus Russland". Landsmannschaft der Deutchen aus Russland, 1982 ã. Åñòü åùå óïîìèíàíèå î íåì æå íà ñòð. 200. Ñóäÿ ïî òåêñòó, Âàì íàäî áû ñâÿçàòüñÿ ñ àâòîðîì ýòîé êíèãè. Àâòîð, ïðàâäà, íå óêàçàí, íî ñ îáùåñòâîì "Landsmannschaft der Deutschen aus Russland". Åñëè Âû âëàäååòå íåìåöêèì ÿçûêîì, äóìàþ, ýòî áóäåò íå ñëîæíî. Âîò èõ ñàéò: http://www.deutscheausrussland.de/
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20 îêòÿáðÿ 2010 1:06 Irma SabelfeldÂîçìîæíî, ÷òî ýòî Âû òîæå âèäåëè. Íî íà ñàéòå http://www.volgagerman.net/ îïóáëèêîâàí ñïèñîê æèòåëåé êîëîíèè Katharinenstadt íà 1834 ãîä. Ôàìèëèÿ Ñàáåëüôåëüä òàì ïðèñóòñòâóåò. Òàì æå åñòü ôîòîãðàôèÿ êàòîëè÷åñêîé öåðêâè Åêàòåðèíåíøòàäòà. Ëþòåðàíñêîé, âèäèìî, íå áûëî. Ýòî ÿ íå â êóðñå --- Âñå ìîè ëè÷íûå äàííûå ðàçìåùåíû ìíîþ íà ñàéòå äîáðîâîëüíî è ñïåöèàëüíî äëÿ ïîèñêà ðîäñòâåííèêîâ
Àáûçîâ (Ñàìàðñêàÿ è Êàçàíñêàÿ ãóá.), Êîíäóðóøêèí (âñå íàøè), Çåëåí÷óêîâ è Ñåëèâàíîâ (Ïåíçåíñêàÿ ãóá.), Ôëîðîâ, Øèãèí (Ñàìàðà), ×åðíÿâñêèé, Êóçüìèí, Ñåðãèåâñê | | |
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20 îêòÿáðÿ 2010 1:13 Irma SabelfeldÊíèãà "Heimatbuch der Deutschen aus Russland", 2005 ãîä. Homeland Book of the Germans from Russia, 2005 Edited by Johann Kampen and Hans Kampen Published by the Landsmannschaft der Deutschen aus Rußland, Stuttgart, Germany, 2005, 288 pages, softcover, German language  îãëàâëåíèè åñòü òàêàÿ çàïèñü: KARL SABELFELD: Der Kampf ums Überleben in scheren Jahren.............271-281 Òàê ÷òî ïîëó÷àåòñÿ, ÷òî ãäå-òî æèâåò íåêèé Êàðë Ñàáåëüôåëüä, èíòåðåñóþùèéñÿ èñòîðèåé ñâîåé ñåìüè! Åãî âåäü òîæå ìîæíî íàéòè. --- Âñå ìîè ëè÷íûå äàííûå ðàçìåùåíû ìíîþ íà ñàéòå äîáðîâîëüíî è ñïåöèàëüíî äëÿ ïîèñêà ðîäñòâåííèêîâ
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20 îêòÿáðÿ 2010 1:30 Irma Sabelfeld "Áåëîé êíèãå Ñàìàðñêîé îáëàñòè "Î ÆÅÐÒÂÀÕ ÏÎËÈÒÈ×ÅÑÊÈÕ ÐÅÏÐÅÑÑÈÉ". Ñàìàðñêèé Äîì ïå÷àòè, 1997 ìíå ïîïàëîñü òîëüêî äâå çàïèñè ñ ôàìèëèåé Ñàáåëüôåëüä (âîçìîæíî, ó ìåíÿ íå âñå òîìà ñêà÷àíû): ÑÀÁÅËÜÔÅËÜÄ ÔÅÄÎÐ ÈÂÀÍÎÂÈ×, 1934 ãîäà ðîæäåíèÿ, ÑÀÁÅËÜÔÅËÜÄ-ÝÉÄÅÌÈËËÅÐ ÅÊÀÒÅÐÈÍÀ ÔÅÄÎÐÎÂÍÀ, 1934 ãîäà ðîæäåíèÿ, íåìöû. Óðîæåíöû ñ. Ñòàðàÿ Ðîãàòêà Ëåíèíãðàäñêîé îáëàñòè. Ðåïðåññèðîâàíû â 1942 ãîäó íà îñíîâàíèè Ðåøåíèÿ Âîåííîãî Ñîâåòà Ëåíèíãðàäñêîãî Ôðîíòà îò 20 ìàðòà 1942 ãîäà è âûñëàíû íà ñïåöïîñåëåíèå â Êàçàõñòàí. Ðåàáèëèòèðîâàíû â ñîîòâåòñòâèè ñ Çàêîíîì îò 18 îêòÿáðÿ 1991 ã. Ïðè÷åì òóò Ëåíèíãðàäñêàÿ îáëàñòü, ÿ ÷òî-òî íå ïîíèìàþ... --- Âñå ìîè ëè÷íûå äàííûå ðàçìåùåíû ìíîþ íà ñàéòå äîáðîâîëüíî è ñïåöèàëüíî äëÿ ïîèñêà ðîäñòâåííèêîâ
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20 îêòÿáðÿ 2010 2:27 Âîò, íàøëà åùå â òðóäå "Extracts from a 1909 Industrial Directory “ 1909 Mill, Factory and Plant Enterprises of the Russian Empire” by L. Ezifanskii Translations/Extracts by Vera Beljakova – Miller © 2003 Extracted & translated information relevant to German-Russian history, with emphasis on the Volga-Germans of Saratov and Samara, but also including information from other provinces, where it is at hand and relevant. Explanatory Comments &Translator’s notes – see below.
Nr 474 SABELFELD Bothers Flour Mill & Saw-mill Year of foundation: 1899 Place of mill: Nikolaevski district, Ekaterinenstadt (Katharienenstadt) (Baronsk) village. Telegraphic address: Baronsk-Sabelfeld Manager: D. L. Sabelfeld Engine: 2 x steam engines with total power of 110 horse-power Nr. of workers: 25 Annual production: 82 000 rubles
Nr 1787 SABELFELD (Sabelfeldt) Brothers Trading House, Steam mill Year of foundation 1896 Place of mill: Nikolaevsk district, Ekaterinenstadt, Katharienenstadt, Baronsk Nr of workers: 27 Annual milling: 200 000 pud
Âîîáùå ìíå êàçàëîñü, ÷òî ó ìåíÿ åñòü ýòà êíèãà è íà ðóññêîì ÿçûêå. Íî, âèäèìî, ïîèñê íå îáíàðóæèâàåò ôàìèëèè èç íåå. Íàäî áóäåò ïîèñêàòü ñàìó ýòó êíèãó. Èñòî÷íèê, èç êîòîðîãî ïðèâåäåíû äàííûå, åñòü ó ìåíÿ â ýëåêòðîííîì âèäå, íî îí "âåñèò" áîëüøå 25 Ìá.
Åùå åñòü ñïèñîê æèòåëåé Êàòåðèíåíøòàäòà íà 1798 ãîä
Òàì íåñêîëüêî !!! ñåìåé Ñàáåëüôåëüäîâ
Èìÿ, ôàìèëèÿ -- ðîäñòâî -- âîçðàñò -- ïðèìå÷àíèÿ
Philipp Sabelfeld --- Hausherr --- 42 ãîäà Engel (Angela?) Koch --- Hausfrau --- 31 ãîä Johann Friedrich -- Sohn -- 1 Elisabeth -- Tochter -- 10 Maria Katharina -- Tochter -- 8 Wilhelmina -- Tochter -- 5 Maria Elisabeth -- Tochter -- 3
Johann Sabelfeld -- Hausherr -- 44 ãîäà Maria Wilhelmina Sachs -- Hausfrau -- 60
Elisabeth Sabelfeld -- Hausherrin 52 -- Witwe; verst. Ehemann: Andreas Sabelfeld Christoph -- Sohn -- 31 Johanna Elisabeth Unterlich -- Schwiegertochter -- 25 -- aus Nieder-Monjou Johann Friedich -- Enkel -- 7 Friedrich Sohn -- 27
Friedrich Schulz -- Hausherr -- 30 -- aus Urbach Katharina Sabelfeld -- Hausfrau -- 43
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20 îêòÿáðÿ 2010 18:15Montem montem íàïèñàë: [q] "Extracts from a 1909 Industrial Directory “ 1909 Mill, Factory and Plant Enterprises of the Russian Empire” by L. Ezifanskii[/q]
Montem, äàþ çäåñü ïåðåâîä íà ðóññêèé ÿçûê âàøåãî ñîîáùåíèÿ î âûäåðæêàõ èç êíèãè Ë. Ýçèôàíñêîãî "Âûäåðæêè èç èíäóñòðèàëüíîãî ñïðàâî÷íèêà çà 1909 ãîä" Íîìåð 474 Áðàòüÿ Ñàáåëüôåëüä ìóêîìîëüíàÿ ìåëüíèöà è ëåñîïèëêà ãîä îñíîâàíèÿ: 1899 ìåñòî íàõîæäåíèÿ: Íèêîëàåâñêèé óåçä, Åêàòåðèíåíøòàäò (Áàðîíñê) Òåëåãðàôíûé àäðåñ: Áàðîíñê - Ñàáåëüôåëüä óïðàâëÿþùèé: Ä. Ë. Ñàáåëüôåëüä ìàøèíû (äâèãàòåëè): 2 ïàðîâûå ìàøèíû (äâèãàòåëè) êîëè÷åñòâî ðàáî÷èõ: 25 Åæåãîäíàÿ ïðîäóêöèÿ íà ñóììó 82 000 ðóáëåé. Íîìåð 1787 Áðàòüÿ Ñàáåëüôåëüä Òîðãîâûé äîì, ïàðîâàÿ ìåëüíèöà ãîä îñíîâàíèÿ: 1896 ìåñòî íàõîæäåíèÿ: Íèêîëàåâñêèé óåçä, Åêàòåðèíåíøòàäò (Áàðîíñê) êîëè÷åñòâî ðàáî÷èõ: 27 Åæåãîäíûé âûïóñê ïðîäóêöèè: 200 000 ïóäîâ. --- èíòåðåñíî | | |
| Irma 3 Ó÷àñòíèê
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21 îêòÿáðÿ 2010 0:33 21 îêòÿáðÿ 2010 0:43Montem montem íàïèñàë: [q] Åùå åñòü ñïèñîê æèòåëåé Êàòåðèíåíøòàäòà íà 1798 ãîä Òàì íåñêîëüêî !!! ñåìåé Ñàáåëüôåëüäîâ[/q]
Montem, ñïàñèáî çà âàøó èíôîðìàöèþ î Ñàáåëüôåëüäàõ.  ñïèñêå æèòåëåé Êàòåðèíåíøòàäòà çà 1798 ãîä, ñïóñòÿ 31 ãîä, óæå âçðîñëûå äåòè Àíäðåàñà ñî ñâîèìè ñåìüÿìè. Àíäðåàñ óìåð, à åãî âäîâà Àííà Ýëèçàáåò æèâ¸ò ñî ñâîèì ñûíîì Êðèñòîôîì. Montem, Âû ïèøåòå, ÷òî íà ñàéòå volgagerman. net îïóáëèêîâàí ñïèñîê æèòåëåé Êàòåðèíåíøòàäòà íà 1834 ãîä. Ôàìèëèÿ Ñàáåëüôåëüä òàì ïðèñóòñòâóåò. Ïîïðîáîâàëà ÿ ýòîò ñïèñîê ïîèñêàòü, íî íå ñìîãëà. Íå ìîãëè áû Âû áîëåå òî÷íî íàïèñàòü, êàê èñêàòü. Áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî! --- èíòåðåñíî | | |
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21 îêòÿáðÿ 2010 0:46 Irma SabelfeldÇäðàâñòâóéòå! Ñïèñîê æèòåëåé Êàòåðèíåíøòàäòà íà 1834 ãîä çäåñü: http://www.volgagerman.net/Katharinenstadt.htmÅñëè Âû æèâåòå çà ïðåäåëàìè òåððèòîðèè áûâøåé Ðîññèéñêîé Èìïåðèè, Âû ìîæåòå çàêàçàòàü ìåòðè÷åñêèå çàïèñè ëþòåðàí íà ìèêðîôèëüìàõ â áëèæàéøåì öåíòðå ñåìåéíîé èñòîðèè. Äóìàþ, Âû ýòî çíàåòå... Íî íà âñÿêèé ñëó÷àé! Óäà÷è! Ëèëèÿ --- Âñå ìîè ëè÷íûå äàííûå ðàçìåùåíû ìíîþ íà ñàéòå äîáðîâîëüíî è ñïåöèàëüíî äëÿ ïîèñêà ðîäñòâåííèêîâ
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