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Nikola Ýñòîíèÿ Ñîîáùåíèé: 6208 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2006 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 3107 | Íàâåðõ ##
4 èþëÿ 2006 0:37 4 èþëÿ 2006 0:40 ---
Áàð÷àíû, Øàïîâàëîâû, Áðàæíèê (Óêðàèíà), Ëàðþøèíû, Âîðîíèíû (Ðÿçàíñêàÿ îáë.) | | |
F. Martinoff Ñîîáùåíèé: 247 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2006 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 15 | Íàâåðõ ##
4 èþëÿ 2006 1:47 Hello Nikola, Thank you very much for the information, based on the emblems on the shoulder can you tell the year this picture was made? Or the Rank he had? I also found this interesting web page, which might be helpfull to some of you. Ïðèâåò Íèêîëàà, áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî çà èíôîðìàöèþ, îñíîâàííóþ íà ýìáëåìàõ íà ïëå÷å, Âû ìîæåòå ñêàçàòü ãîäó ýòó êàðòèíó, áûë ñäåëàí? Èëè Ðàçðÿä îí èìåë? ß òàêæå íàøåë ýòó èíòåðåñíóþ âåá-ñòðàíèöó, êîòîðàÿ ìîãëà áû áûòü õåëïôàëë ê íåêîòîðûì èç Âàñ. http://www.pugoviza.ru/files/c...amp;fn=igiBest regards, F. Martinoff | | |
F. MartinoffÑîîáùåíèé: 247 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2006 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 15 | Íàâåðõ ##
4 èþëÿ 2006 1:55 This a map where my Family had their homes in the year 1880,
some had 2 or 3 in the same time.
With the main residence in Riga.
Friedrich Johann had a house in
Riga - Arco/Italy - Paris/France
Nicolai
Had a house in:
Riga and Nice/Nizza/France
This might help you understand how difficult it was for me to
get to the year 1741
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F. MartinoffÑîîáùåíèé: 247 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2006 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 15 | Íàâåðõ ##
4 èþëÿ 2006 1:57 Ýòî êàðòà, ãäå ìîÿ Ñåìüÿ èìåëà èõ äîìà â ãîäó 1880, íåêîòîðûå èìåëè 2 èëè 3 â òî æå ñàìîå âðåìÿ. Ñ ãëàâíûì ìåñòîì æèòåëüñòâà â Ðèãå. Ôðèäðèõ Éîõàí èìåë äîì â Ðèãå - Àðêî/èòýëè - Ïàðèæå/Ôðàíöèè, â êîòîðîì Íèêîëýé Èìåë äîì: Ðèãà è Íèñå/íèççà/ôðàíñ, êîòîðûé Ýòî ìîãëî áû ïîìî÷ü Âàì ïîíèìàòü, íàñêîëüêî òðóäíûé ýòî áûëî äëÿ ìåíÿ, ÷òîáû ïîëó÷èòü ê ãîäó 1741 ìåíÿ òàêæå, íàøëè ýòó èíòåðåñíóþ âåá-ñòðàíèöó, êîòîðàÿ ìîãëà áû áûòü õåëïôàëë ê íåêîòîðûì èç Âàñ. | | |
NikolaÝñòîíèÿ Ñîîáùåíèé: 6208 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2006 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 3107 | Íàâåðõ ##
4 èþëÿ 2006 10:29 4 èþëÿ 2006 13:13 F. MartinoffI am not the expert on history of uniforms. This everything, that it was possible to find in the Internet. Even the statement, that the man the mine engineer - take under doubt. Here many the present experts. Can be we shall wait their opinion... It is difficult to understand discharge, examining photograph. The uniform is not visible completely. Law on February 27,1834. it generalized the prevailing practice of the formulation of civil uniforms and for the first time brought together all these uniforms to the common system with the general order of the designation of the ranks of posts.For the majority of departments the ten-digit gradation of posts (fixed in lists of staff) to which there corresponded sewing on a smart uniform has been entered.
2-nd category had no sewing on seams; 3-rd lost also sewing under a collar (on boards and floors at 2-nd and 3-rd categories the width of sewing was reduced); 4-th category had sewing only on a collar, cuffs and pocket valves; 5-th - only on a collar and cuffs; 6-th had in the same place incomplete (in half of length) sewing; 7-th - incomplete sewing on a collar and sewn an edging on cuffs; 8-th had no edging on cuffs; 9-th had sewn edgings on a collar and cuffs; 10-th - only an edging on a collar.http://militera.lib.ru/research/shepelev1/03.htmlHaving increased a button in a photo, it is possible to assume (under your reference), that a uniform concerns approximately to 1903. By your map, interests of your ancestors extended and to Estonia. Similar, that there the cities of Tallinns, Tartu and island Saaremaa. ---
Áàð÷àíû, Øàïîâàëîâû, Áðàæíèê (Óêðàèíà), Ëàðþøèíû, Âîðîíèíû (Ðÿçàíñêàÿ îáë.) | | |
NikolaÝñòîíèÿ Ñîîáùåíèé: 6208 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2006 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 3107 | Íàâåðõ ##
4 èþëÿ 2006 15:21 F. MartinoffYour photo approaches under the description: ÊÎËËÅÆÑÊÈÉ ÑÎÂÅÒÍÈÊ
http://geg.chem.usu.ru/tagil_museum/officials.htmThe COLLEGIATE ADVISER VI class of MILLERS À.Å., (1904-1905) In 1890th years was operating N.Tagilskimi factories, the mountain engineer. The HISTORICAL INFORMATION: In Russia a civil grade of VI-th class. Borrowed average supervising posts - the chief of branch or the clerk in the central establishments. The TITLE: yours highly nobleness. A title which was appropriated to officials of VI-VIII-th classes. The ARMY GRADE: the Colonel. The DESCRIPTION: The official is represented in a double-breasted frock coat. On a collar velvet buttonholes with two gleams without asterisks and an emblem of mountain department.Only presence of signs on shoulders specifies an accessory to engineers. ---
Áàð÷àíû, Øàïîâàëîâû, Áðàæíèê (Óêðàèíà), Ëàðþøèíû, Âîðîíèíû (Ðÿçàíñêàÿ îáë.) | | |
TatianaLGNNÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà ÂÃÄ äàðèò óäî÷êó. Ðûáó ëîâèòü äîëæíû âû ñàìè  Íèæíèé Íîâãîðîä Ñîîáùåíèé: 25698 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2003 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 7972 | Íàâåðõ ##
4 èþëÿ 2006 16:25 F. Martinoff Ãîðîä- Ñèìôåðîïîëü, ýòî òî÷íî ---
Óâàæàåìûå äðóçüÿ, âíîâü ïðèøåäøèå íà ôîðóì. Î÷åíü ïðîøó, ïðåæäå ÷åì çàäàòü ìíå âîïðîñ â ëè÷êó, íó ïî÷èòàéòå íåìíîãî ôîðóì.È ïîòîì ìîè çíàíèÿ ðàñïðîñòðàíÿþòñÿ íå íà âñþ áûâøóþ Ðîññèéñêóþ èìïåðèþ, à â îñíîâíîì íà Íèæåãîðîäñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ.
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TatianaLGNNÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà ÂÃÄ äàðèò óäî÷êó. Ðûáó ëîâèòü äîëæíû âû ñàìè Íèæíèé Íîâãîðîä Ñîîáùåíèé: 25698 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2003 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 7972 | Íàâåðõ ##
4 èþëÿ 2006 16:29 ---
Óâàæàåìûå äðóçüÿ, âíîâü ïðèøåäøèå íà ôîðóì. Î÷åíü ïðîøó, ïðåæäå ÷åì çàäàòü ìíå âîïðîñ â ëè÷êó, íó ïî÷èòàéòå íåìíîãî ôîðóì.È ïîòîì ìîè çíàíèÿ ðàñïðîñòðàíÿþòñÿ íå íà âñþ áûâøóþ Ðîññèéñêóþ èìïåðèþ, à â îñíîâíîì íà Íèæåãîðîäñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ.
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Olaf×åñòü èìåþ!  Âîëãîãðàä Ñîîáùåíèé: 466 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2004 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 126 | Íàâåðõ ##
4 èþëÿ 2006 17:32 4 èþëÿ 2006 17:35 F. Martinoff!
ß áû ñêàçàë, ÷òî íà ôîòî èçîáðàæåí ñòóäåíò Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãñêîãî èíñòèòóòà ãðàæäàíñêèõ èíæåíåðîâ. Êîíåö XIX - íà÷àëî XX âåêîâ.
I would tell, that on a photo the student of the St.-Petersburg institute of civil engineers is represented. The end XIX - the beginning of XX centuries. | | |
F. MartinoffÑîîáùåíèé: 247 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2006 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 15 | Íàâåðõ ##
4 èþëÿ 2006 20:53 Dear Nikola, Tatiana and Olaf,
Thank you for all your help,
Nicolai entered the Civil-Service in 1867,
he was 20 years old at that time.
(((((The picture below is Nicolai in 1908
I found this picture in the L.N.B. Latvian National Blibliotheka)))))
You should go on their web-site, they have posted about
3000 pictures (Years 1865-1910) from different people.
I believe that the picture was made between the years,
1867 and 1869.
You all helped me very much,
because in the beginning I did not know if this
is him or not.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
With my best regards,
F. Martinoff
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