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choxie
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ß èùó ñâîèõ ïðåäêîâ, íî ó ìåíÿ âîçíèêëè òðóäíîñòè ñ íåìåöêîé/ðóññêîé ñòîðîíîé, ïîñêîëüêó ÿ íå ãîâîðþ íè ïî-íåìåöêè, íè ïî-ðóññêè. ß èñïîëüçîâàë ïåðåâîä÷èê äëÿ ýòîãî ñîîáùåíèÿ, íàäåþñü, îíî áóäåò ïîíÿòíûì.

×åëîâåê, êîòîðîãî ÿ èùó, óêàçàí êàê Èîãàíí Ôðèäðèõ Äèëëîó. Åäèíñòâåííàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ î íåì, êîòîðîé ÿ ðàñïîëàãàþ íà äàííûé ìîìåíò, - ýòî êàðòî÷êà ñ èíäåêñîì ñìåðòè, êîòîðóþ ÿ ïðèëàãàþ.

Èíôîðìàöèÿ íà êàðòî÷êå:
-Ïîñëåäíÿÿ ôàìèëèÿ: Äèëëîó
-Ïåðâîå èìÿ: Èîãàíí Ôðèäðèõ
-Ãîä ðîæäåíèÿ: -.
Ðåëèãèÿ: Åâàíãåëè÷åñêàÿ
-Äàòà ñìåðòè: 11 ìàÿ 1882 [÷òî îçíà÷àåò, ÷òî îí äîëæåí áûë ðîäèòüñÿ îêîëî 1801-2]
-Âîçðàñò: 80 ëåò, 9 ìåñÿöåâ è 6 äíåé
-Áðà÷íîå ñîñòîÿíèå: Âäîâåö
-Äàòà ðîæäåíèÿ: -.
-Ìåñòî ñìåðòè: Øòðàëüçóíä, Ãåðìàíèÿ
-Ìåñòî æèòåëüñòâà: Øòðàëüçóíä, Ãåðìàíèÿ
-Ìåñòî ðîæäåíèÿ: "Áàòåí â Ðóñëàíäèè"

Ó ìåíÿ ïðîáëåìû ïî íåñêîëüêèì ïðè÷èíàì:
***-(1) Ìåñòîïîëîæåíèå: ß íå ìîãó íàéòè íèêàêèõ óïîìèíàíèé î ìåñòå, êîòîðîå ìîãëî áû áûòü "Áàòåíîì". Ñíà÷àëà ÿ ïîäîçðåâàë, ÷òî Èîãàíí ìîã ðîäèòüñÿ â ñåìüå, ïðèåõàâøåé èç Ãåðìàíèè ïî ïðèãëàøåíèþ Åêàòåðèíû Âåëèêîé, íî åäèíñòâåííûì íàñåëåííûì ïóíêòîì, êîòîðûé ìíå óäàëîñü íàéòè, áûë Áàäåí, è, ñîãëàñíî èñòîðèè, îí áûë çàñåëåí â 1808 ãîäó (ñëèøêîì ïîçäíî), è áûë êàòîëè÷åñêèì ïîñåëåíèåì. Åñëè êòî-òî ìîæåò ïîìî÷ü ìíå ïîíÿòü, ê ÷åìó ýòî ìîæåò îòíîñèòüñÿ, èëè ïîäñêàçàòü, êàê íà÷àòü ïîèñê, ÿ áóäó î÷åíü ïðèçíàòåëåí.
-(2) Èìÿ: ß ïðåäïîëàãàþ, ÷òî âñå çàïèñè, êîòîðûå ñóùåñòâóþò äëÿ Èîãàííà, ìîãóò áûòü íà ðóññêîì ÿçûêå, åñëè îí ðîäèëñÿ â Ðîññèè. Çíà÷èò ëè ýòî, ÷òî åãî èìÿ òàêæå áûëî çàïèñàíî ñ ïîìîùüþ ðóññêîãî àëôàâèòà? Åñëè äà, òî èíòåðåñíî, ìîæåò ëè êòî-íèáóäü ïîìî÷ü ìíå îïðåäåëèòü, êàê ýòî ìîãëî áûòü íàïèñàíî. Òîãäà ÿ ñìîãó îïðåäåëèòü, ãäå ñäåëàòü ñîîáùåíèå â ðàçäåëå "Ïîèñê ïðåäêîâ, ðîäè÷åé è/èëè îäíîôàìèëüöåâ".

Ñïàñèáî âñåì, êòî ñìîæåò óäåëèòü ìíå âðåìÿ è ïîìî÷ü!

Ïåðåâåäåíî ñ ïîìîùüþ DeepL.com (áåñïëàòíàÿ âåðñèÿ)

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I'm looking for my ancestors, but I'm having difficulty with the German/Russian side since I don't speak either German or Russian. I used a translator for this message, I hope it will be clear.

The man I'm looking for is listed as Johann Friedrich Dillow. The only information I have about him at this time is the death index card that I have enclosed.

Information on the card:
-Last name: Dillow
-First name: Johann Friedrich
-Year of birth: -
Religion: Evangelical
-Date of death: May 11, 1882 [which means he must have been born around 1801-2]
-Age: 80 years, 9 months and 6 days
-Marriage status: Widower
-Date of birth: -
-Place of Death: Stralsund, Germany
-Place of Residence: Stralsund, Germany
-Place of birth: "Bathen in Rusland"

I'm having trouble for several reasons:
***-(1) Location: I can't seem to find any reference to a place that could have been 'Bathen'. At first I suspected Johann was maybe born to a family that came over from Germany under Catherine the Great's invitation, but the only settlement I was able to find was 'Baden' and history indicates it was settled in 1808 (so too late), and was a catholic settlement. If anyone can help me to figure out where this might be referencing or give me hints how to start searching I would appreciate it.
-(2) Name: I'm assuming any records that exist for Johann might be in Russian if he was born in Russia. Would that mean his name would have been recorded with the Russian alphabet as well? If so wondering if anyone can help me determine how it might have been written. Then I could also determine where to make a post in the 'Ïîèñê ïðåäêîâ, ðîäè÷åé è/èëè îäíîôàìèëüöåâ' section.

Thank you for anyone able to invest any time in helping me with this!

Ïðèêðåïëåííûé ôàéë: Johann Dillow.jpg
Ëàéê (2)
choxie
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Íà÷àëî ðàáîòû (íå çíàþ ðóññêîãî èëè íåìåöêîãî): ?Bathen? :baloons


Malus_domestica íàïèñàë:
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choxie
I think Bathen in Rubland is Baden in Austria. Bathe - to bathe, and there is a mineral resort there, near Vienna.
https://galik-123.livejournal....3458019256
https://www.google.com/maps/pl...931m/data= !3m2!1e3!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x476d079e5136ca9f:0xfdc2e58a51a25b46!8m2 !3d48.2081664!4d16.3718643!16zL20vMGZocDk?hl=ru&entry=ttu
http://www.maplandia.com/austr...g/rubland/
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À, ÿ äóìàë, ÷òî íåìåöêàÿ ß â Rußland áîëüøå ïîõîæà íà S, ÷åì íà B. Ïîýòîìó ÿ ïîäóìàë, ÷òî îíà óêàçûâàåò íà ÷òî-òî â Ðîññèè? (https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9F#:~:text=The%20letter%20%C3%9F%20(also%20known,used%20in%20any%20other%20language)
Ëàéê (2)
Irina Ol
Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà

Irina Ol

Ñ-Ïåòåðáóðã
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Malus_domestica íàïèñàë:
[q]
Bathen in Rubland - ýòî Áàäåí â Àâñòðèè.
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Êàðòî÷êà îòñþäà.
Òàì íàïèñàíî, ÷òî Bathen â Ðîññèè (Ðîññèéñêîé Èìïåðèè). Ìåòðè÷åñêîé çàïèñè î ðîæäåíèè è êðåùåíèè íåò.
Íî êòî-òî ýòîé ñåìü¸é óæå çàíèìàåòñÿ:

Ïðèêðåïëåííûé ôàéë: Dillow_1.jpg
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Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Èðèíà.
Ëàéê (1)
Irina Ol
Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà

Irina Ol

Ñ-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5436
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2009 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 17138

choxie íàïèñàë:
[q]
ÿ äóìàë, ÷òî íåìåöêàÿ ß â Rußland áîëüøå ïîõîæà íà S, ÷åì íà B. Ïîýòîìó ÿ ïîäóìàë, ÷òî îíà óêàçûâàåò íà ÷òî-òî â Ðîññèè?
[/q]
Äà.
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Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Èðèíà.
choxie
Íîâè÷îê

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Irina Ol íàïèñàë:
[q]

Malus_domestica wrote:
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Bathen in Rubland is Baden in Austria.
[/q]

Card from here.
It says that Bathen is in Russia (Russian Empire). There is no metric record of birth and baptism.
But someone is already taking care of this family:
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Òî äåðåâî FamilySearch, êîòîðîå âû îïóáëèêîâàëè, ïðèíàäëåæèò ìíå è ìîåé ìàòåðè! Ïîýòîìó ÿ è ïèøó çäåñü, ïûòàÿñü íàéòè áîëüøå èíôîðìàöèè!
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IrenaWaw
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Irina Ol íàïèñàë:
[q]

choxie íàïèñàë:
[q]

ÿ äóìàë, ÷òî íåìåöêàÿ ß â Rußland áîëüøå ïîõîæà íà S, ÷åì íà B. Ïîýòîìó ÿ ïîäóìàë, ÷òî îíà óêàçûâàåò íà ÷òî-òî â Ðîññèè?
[/q]

Äà.
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Irina Ol íàïèñàë:
[q]

choxie íàïèñàë:
[q]

ÿ äóìàë, ÷òî íåìåöêàÿ ß â Rußland áîëüøå ïîõîæà íà S, ÷åì íà B. Ïîýòîìó ÿ ïîäóìàë, ÷òî îíà óêàçûâàåò íà ÷òî-òî â Ðîññèè?
[/q]

Äà.
[/q]

3 ðàçäåë Ïîëüøè.
1795 ãîä.
Èùèòå ñâîþ ìåñòíîñòü â Russland - òî åñòü íà òåõ òåððèòîðèÿõ, êîòîðûå çàáðàëà ñåáå Ðîññèéñêàÿ Èìïåðèÿ.
Ýòî ìîæåò áûòü ÷òî óãîäíî - è Âîëûíü, ãäå ñóùåñòâîâàëî ìíîãî íåìåöêèõ êîëîíèé, è Ìàçîâøå, ãäå òàêæå æèëè íåìöû è ãîëëàíäöû, - à ïîñëå 1795 ãîäà àäìèíèñòðàòèâíî ýòî óæå áûëà Russland, - è äðóãèå òåððèòîðèè.

Åñòü ëè êàêàÿ äîïîëíèòåëüíàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ?
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Àðõèâû è áèáëèîòåêè Âàðøàâû.
Ïîèñêîì äîêóìåíòîâ äëÿ Êàðòû Ïîëÿêà ÍÅ ÇÀÍÈÌÀÞÑÜ.

Óáåäèòåëüíàÿ ïðîñüáà íå ïèñàòü ìíå â Ëè÷íûå ñîîáùåíèÿ ïðîñüá î ïîèñêàõ äîêóìåíòîâ ñ óêàçàíèåì íàöèîíàëüíîñòè.
Âñå ñîîáùåíèÿ òàêîãî ñîäåðæàíèÿ áóäóò îñòàâàòüñÿ áåç îòâåòà è óäàëÿòüñÿ.
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IrenaWaw
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Âû íå çíàåòå, ãäå íàõîäèòñÿ Ãðàìçäåí???
Ýòî Áûâøàÿ Êóðëÿíäèÿ, ïðèõîä äîáåëåíà, 4 êì îò Ìèòàâû, - Jełgawa,
Èùèòå â àðõèâå Ëàòâèè.
È â òåìå Ëàòâèè.
Òàì çàìå÷àòåëüíûå ñïåöèàëèñòû ïî àðõèâàì.

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Àðõèâû è áèáëèîòåêè Âàðøàâû.
Ïîèñêîì äîêóìåíòîâ äëÿ Êàðòû Ïîëÿêà ÍÅ ÇÀÍÈÌÀÞÑÜ.

Óáåäèòåëüíàÿ ïðîñüáà íå ïèñàòü ìíå â Ëè÷íûå ñîîáùåíèÿ ïðîñüá î ïîèñêàõ äîêóìåíòîâ ñ óêàçàíèåì íàöèîíàëüíîñòè.
Âñå ñîîáùåíèÿ òàêîãî ñîäåðæàíèÿ áóäóò îñòàâàòüñÿ áåç îòâåòà è óäàëÿòüñÿ.
choxie
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>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ IrenaWaw îò 25 ìàðòà 2024 0:40

Ýòî, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, âñå, ÷òî ó ìåíÿ åñòü. Ìíå áûëî î÷åíü òÿæåëî âîçâðàùàòüñÿ ê ýòîìó, äàæå íå çíàÿ íåìåöêîãî ÿçûêà. Âòîðàÿ îòêðûòêà, ðàçìåùåííàÿ Èðèíîé Îëü, äëÿ ìåíÿ âîîáùå íîâàÿ.
IrenaWaw
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choxie íàïèñàë:
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>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ IrenaWaw îò 25 ìàðòà 2024 0:40

Ýòî, ê ñîæàëåíèþ, âñå, ÷òî ó ìåíÿ åñòü. Ìíå áûëî î÷åíü òÿæåëî âîçâðàùàòüñÿ ê ýòîìó, äàæå íå çíàÿ íåìåöêîãî ÿçûêà. Âòîðàÿ îòêðûòêà, ðàçìåùåííàÿ Èðèíîé Îëü, äëÿ ìåíÿ âîîáùå íîâàÿ.
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ß äàâíî íå ðàçãîâàðèâàëà ïî-íåìåöêè, òàê êàê äàâíî æèâó â Ïîëüøå.
Ó ìåíÿ 3 ÿçûêà ìîèõ ïðåäêîâ.

Gramsden - ýòî Êóðëÿíäèÿ, ïðîâèíöèÿ Ðîññèéñêèé èìïåðèè ïîñëå î÷åðåäíîãî ïåðåäåëà ãðàíèö Åâðîïû.
Ïîèùèòå çäåñü òåìó Ëàòâèè è çàäàéòå âîïðîñ.

Âàø ïðåäîê ðîäèëñÿ íà òåððèòîðèè ñîâðåìåííîé Ëàòâèè.
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Àðõèâû è áèáëèîòåêè Âàðøàâû.
Ïîèñêîì äîêóìåíòîâ äëÿ Êàðòû Ïîëÿêà ÍÅ ÇÀÍÈÌÀÞÑÜ.

Óáåäèòåëüíàÿ ïðîñüáà íå ïèñàòü ìíå â Ëè÷íûå ñîîáùåíèÿ ïðîñüá î ïîèñêàõ äîêóìåíòîâ ñ óêàçàíèåì íàöèîíàëüíîñòè.
Âñå ñîîáùåíèÿ òàêîãî ñîäåðæàíèÿ áóäóò îñòàâàòüñÿ áåç îòâåòà è óäàëÿòüñÿ.
choxie
Íîâè÷îê

United States
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Irina Ol íàïèñàë:
[q]

Malus_domestica wrote:
[q]

Bathen in Rubland is Baden in Austria.
[/q]

Card from here.
It says that Bathen is in Russia (Russian Empire). There is no metric record of birth and baptism.
But someone is already taking care of this family:
[/q]



Èðèíà, åñòü ëè âîçìîæíîñòü óçíàòü ó Âàñ èñòî÷íèê çàïèñè î ñìåðòè, êîòîðóþ Âû ïðèëîæèëè? ß íèêîãäà íå âèäåëà ðóêîïèñíîé êîïèè ýòîé çàïèñè, à ññûëêà, êîòîðóþ Âû ðàçìåñòèëè, íàïðàâëÿåò íà ïå÷àòíóþ êîïèþ, êîòîðóþ ÿ ïðèêðåïèëà.
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