Ñèñòåìû çàïèñè ïîêîëåííûõ ðîñïèñåé

ß íàõîæóñü íà íåêîåì ïðîìåæóòî÷íîì ýòàïå, êîãäà ñîáðàíî äîñòàòî÷íî ìíîãî èíôîðìàöèè î ïðåäêàõ. Âåðîÿòíî èõ äåñÿòêè, åñëè íå ñîòíè. À ñî âñåìè ðîäñòâåííèêàìè, áåçóñëîâíî, òûñÿ÷è.
Íå òàê âàæíî, ãäå ÿ ýòó èíôîðìàöèþ ñîáèðàë (÷òî êàñàåòñÿ ìåíÿ, òî ÿ ñîáèðàë åå íà FamilySearch).
Òåïåðü íóæíî ýòó èíôîðìàöèþ êàê-òî íàãëÿäíî ïðåäñòàâèòü, ÷òîáû ðîäñòâåííèêè, ïîòîìêè è âñå æåëàþùèå ëåãêî ìîãëè ðàçîáðàòüñÿ â íàøåé ãåíåàëîãèè.
Êîíå÷íî, âñå çíàþò ôîðìó ïðåäñòàâëåíèÿ â âèäå ãåíåëîãè÷åñêîãî äðåâà - íî åñëè ïðåäêîâ òàê ìíîãî, òî î÷åíü òðóäíî òàêîå äåðåâî íàãëÿäíî ïðåäñòàâèòü, ýòî áóäóò êàêèå-òî êóñî÷êè, ïîäåëåííûå íà ìíîãî ñòðàíèö, è ïîíÿòíî, ÷òî íà äåðåâå íå ðàçìåñòèòü äàæå ìèíèìàëüíîå êîëè÷åñòâî èíôû ïî ïåðñîíàëèÿì, ëèøü ôèî. Êîíå÷íî, äåðåâüÿ ìîæíî ñíàáäèòü êàêèìè-òî ñïèñêàìè, íî òóò óæå âîçíèêàåò ñëåäóþùàÿ çàäà÷à: êàê ñâÿçàòü êàæäóþ ïåðñîíàëèþ â ñïèñêå ñ åå æå ïðåäñòàâëåíèåì íà äðåâå. Î÷åâèäíî ïðèäåòñÿ íà äðåâå óêàçàòü èíäèâèäóàëüíûé íîìåð (èíäåêñ) äëÿ êàæäîé ïåðñîíàëèè.
Çàòåì, ñóùåñòâóåò ôîðìà ïðåäñòàâëåíèÿ â âèäå ïîêîëåííîé ðîñïèñè. Ýòî ïðåêðàñíàÿ ôîðìà, õîòÿ åñòü íåäîñòàòîê - òðàäèöèîííî â íåé èäåò âñå ïî ìóæñêîé ëèíèè. Îò îäíîãî, ñàìîãî äðåâíåãî ïðåäêà ðàñõîäèòñÿ âååð åãî ïîòîìêîâ. Ïðè ñîñòàâëåíèè ïîêîëåííîé ðîñïèñè ó ìåíÿ åñòü ïðîáëåìû ñ íóìåðàöèåé, ò.ê. â ìîåé ãåíåàëîãèè èíîãäà îäíà è òà æå ïåðñîíà - ìîé ïðåäîê ïî íåñêîëüêèì âåòêàì, è èíîãäà ýòè âåòêè èìåþò ðàçíóþ äëèíó, ò.å. îäíà ïåðñîíà, îêàçûâàåòñÿ îòñòîÿùåé îò ìåíÿ íà ðàçíîå ÷èñëî ïîêîëåíèé.
Îòäåëüíàÿ ïðîáëåìà ñ ïîêîëåííîé ðîñïèñüþ, ÷òî òû ìîæåøü âûïîëíèòü áîëüøóþ ðàáîòó ïî íóìåðàöèè ïåðñîíàëèé, à ïîòîì íàéäåøü áîëåå äðåâíåå ïîêîëåíèå è ïðèäåòñÿ ïåðåíóìåðîâûâàòü âñå çàíîâî.
Íî ãîðàçäî áîëüøàÿ ïðîáëåìà â òîì, ÷òî ÿ õî÷ó èìåòü ðîñïèñü, â êîòîðîé, êàê íà ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîì äðåâå, áûëè ðàñïèñàíû ïðåäêè ïî âñåì ëèíèÿì - ïî îòöó è ìàòåðè, âñåì äåäóøêàì è áàáóøêàì, âñåì ïðàùóðàì. Êàê ñäåëàòü òàêóþ ðîñïèñü íàãëÿäíîé. Åùå â íà÷àëå ðàáîòû ÿ èçáðàë ôîðìó, õðîíîëîãè÷åñêè ïðîòèâîïîëîæíóþ òðàäèöèîííîé ïîêîëåííîé ðîñïèñè - ïîêîëåííóþ ðîñïèñü îò ìëàäøèõ ê ñòàðøèì:
Äåä Âàñèëèé Ðîäèîíîâè÷ Ïëàòîíîâ (Âîðîáüåâî, 23.4.1905-8.3.1972, Ìîñêâà) https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LR2Z-DJM

1. Ïðàäåä Ðîäèîí Òèìîôååâ. (Âîðîáüåâî, 1864). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LR2Z-DK1
2. Ïðàáàáóøêà Âàññà Äìèòðèåâà. (Âîðîáüåâî, 1866). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBFJ-MN8

1.1. Ïðàïðàäåä Òèìîôåé Ïëàòîíîâ. (Âîðîáüåâî, 13.2.1833). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBFJ-7XR
1.2. Ïðàïðàáàáóøêà Àãàôüÿ Íèêèòèíà. (Ïîäúåëüå, 1837). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBFJ-8NG
2.1. Ïðàïðàäåä Äèìèòðèé Òèõîíîâ. (Âîðîáüåâî, 10.10.1819). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBJ6-SHD
2.2. Ïðàïðàáàáóøêà Åêàòåðèíà Çèíîâüåâà. (Âîðîáüåâî, 21.11.1819). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBVW-QP1

1.1.1. Ïðàïðàïðàäåä Ïëàòîí Ãàâðèèëîâ. (Âîðîáüåâî, 1799). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBFJ-DSX
1.1.2. Ïðàïðàïðàáàáóøêà Äàðüÿ ßêîâëåâà. (19.3.1804-9.2.1841, Âîðîáüåâî). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBJD-H63
1.2.1. Ïðàïðàïðàäåä Íèêèòà Ôåäîðîâ (Ïîäúåëüå, 1801). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBVF-5B5
1.2.2. Ïðàïðàïðàáàáóøêà Ãëèêåðèÿ Ìèõàéëîâà. (Ïîäúåëüå, 1803). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBVF-RFP
2.1.1. Ïðàïðàïðàäåä Òèõîí Ôîìèí. (Äóáüå, 1790). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBVC-4FV
2.1.2. Ïðàïðàïðàáàáóøêà Àâäîòüÿ Àôàíàñüåâà. (Ñåìåíîâî, 1793). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBVC-HMX
2.2.1. Ïðàïðàïðàäåä Çèíîâèé Åãîðîâ. (Âîðîáüåâî, 1775). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBVC-MFZ
2.2.2. Ïðàïðàïðàáàáóøêà Àâäîòüÿ Ãðèãîðüåâà. (Âîðîáüåâî, 1798-15.12.1846). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBVC-364

1.1.1.1. Ïðàïðàïðàïðàäåä Ãàâðèèë Èâàíîâ. (Âîðîáüåâî, 11 èþëÿ 1779). Ñîëäàò. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBJD-JT2
1.1.1.2. Ïðàïðàïðàïðàáàáóøêà Äàðüÿ Ñèìåîíîâà (Âîðîáüåâî, 19 ìàðòà 1780). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBJD-NPK
1.1.2.1. Ïðàïðàïðàïðàäåä ßêîâ Íèêèòèí. (Âîðîáüåâî, 27 íîÿáðÿ 1771). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/LBGD-LYH
1.1.2.2. Ïðàïðàïðàïðàáàáóøêà Íàòàëüÿ Èîñèôîâà. (Âîðîáüåâî, 1775). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBGJ-KK8
1.2.1.1. Ïðàïðàïðàïðàäåä Ôåäîð Àëåêñååâ. (Ïîëÿíà, 1777-1800). . https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBGD-5NF
1.2.1.2. Ïðàïðàïðàïðàáàáóøêà Íàòàëüÿ Èâàíîâà. (1771-17.1.1833). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/LBGJ-21W
1.2.2.1. Ïðàïðàïðàïðàäåä Ìèõàèë Åâäîêèìîâ. (Ïîäúåëüå, 1782). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/LBGD-RK7
1.2.2.2. Ïðàïðàïðàïðàáàáóøêà Åëåíà Ãàâðèëîâà. (Ïîäúåëüå, 1776-25.9.1837). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBGJ-BFF
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2.1.1.2. Ïðàïðàïðàïðàáàáóøêà Äàðüÿ Ïåòðîâà. (Äóáîâî, 1752). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBKQ-13M
2.1.2.1. Ïðàïðàïðàïðàäåä Àôàíàñèé Àëåêñååâ. (Ñåìåíîâî, 1766). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBGD-24M
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2.2.1.2. Ïðàïðàïðàïðàáàáóøêà Àêèëèíà Ìîêèåâà. (Âîðîáüåâî, 1750-1831). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBVC-HBN
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2.2.2.2. Ïðàïðàïðàïðàáàáóøêà Äàðüÿ Íåñòåðîâà/Áîãäàíîâà, íåçàêîííîðîæ. (Âîðîáüåâî, 1771). https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LBGV-S1M
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Çäåñü ïîñëåäíèå 1 è 2 â íóìåðàöèè èñïîëüçóþòñÿ äëÿ îòöà è ìàòåðè, à ïðåäûäóùèå öèôðû óêàçûâàþò íà òî, ÷üè îíè.
Òóò ïðîáëåì íåñêîëüêî: 1) äàæå äëÿ îäíîãî äåäà èëè áàáóøêè äîâîëüíî íàãðóæåííûé ñïèñîê ïîëó÷àåòñÿ. Åñëè ñâåñòè âñå ÷åòûðå ñïèñêà âìåñòå, òî îí áóäåò î÷åíü ïåðåãðóæåí. 2) êàê âûøå óïîìèíàë, íåêîòîðûå ïðåäêè îêàçûâàþòñÿ â ñïèñêå äâà òðè ðàçà ñ ðàçíîé íóìåðàöèåé, íî ýòî âñå-òàêè, ñêîðåå, èñêëþ÷åíèå, ïðîñòî íàäî ýòî ñïåöèàëüíî îãîâàðèâàòü â êàæäîì ñëó÷àå. 3) îïÿòü æå ìîæåò âîçíèêíóòü ïðîáëåìà ñ íåîáõîäèìîñòüþ ìåíÿòü íóìåðàöèþ, åñëè êòî-òî èç ïîòîìêîâ çàõî÷åò ïåðåäåëàòü ýòó ðîñïèñü äëÿ ñåáÿ. Âñå æå òóò äîïîëíèòü íóìåðàöèþ áóäåò ïðîùå, íå ïðèäåòñÿ ìåíÿòü âñå íîìåðà, à òîëüêî äîïèñàòü íîâûé ðàçðÿä.
(Ðàçóìååòñÿ, ìîè ïåðå÷èñëåíèÿ "ïðàïðàïðàïðà" â ïðèâåäåííîì ñïèñêå - ýòî óæå èçëèøåñòâî).

Âîïðîñ ñîñòîèò â òîì, åñëè ëè ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèå ïðîãðàììû, êîòîðûå ïîçâîëÿþò àâòîìàòè÷åñêè ñîçäàâàòü ïîäîáíûå ðîñïèñè (â ìîåì ñëó÷àå äëÿ äàííûõ, âíåñåííûõ â FS), à íå äåëàòü âñå îò ðóêè?
Êàêèå åùå áîëåå ïðåäïî÷òèòåëüíûå ñïîñîáû ïðåäñòàâèòü áîëåå-ìåíåå ïîäðîáíóþ ïåðñîíàëüíóþ è ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêóþ èíôó î ïðåäêàõ ñóùåñòâóþò?

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Êàêèå åùå áîëåå ïðåäïî÷òèòåëüíûå ñïîñîáû ïðåäñòàâèòü áîëåå-ìåíåå ïîäðîáíóþ ïåðñîíàëüíóþ è ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêóþ èíôó î ïðåäêàõ ñóùåñòâóþò?

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Ïðîãðàììó Äðåâî æèçíè íå ïðîáîâàëè?

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À â íåå ìîæíî èìïîðòèðîâàòü äàííûå èç FS?

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À â íåå ìîæíî èìïîðòèðîâàòü äàííûå èç FS?

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×åðåç ôàéë ôîðìàòà gedcom.

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Ñïàñèáî. ß óæå ïîíÿë. Ïðîñòî â ñàìîì FS ãåäêîì íå ñîçäàåòñÿ, íî ÿ íàøåë â Ancestral Quest âîçìîæíîñòü èìïîðòèðîâàòü èç FS, à òàì óæå ìîæíî ñäåëàòü ãåäêîì.
Òåïåðü âîïðîñ äëÿ ìåíÿ â òîì, êàêàÿ èç ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèõ ïðîãðàìì ïðåäîñòàâëÿåò íàèáîëåå èíòåðåñíûå âîçìîæíîñòè äëÿ âûâîäà / ïðåäñòàâëåíèÿ èíôû.
Âû â ýòîì îòíîøåíèè Äðåâî æèçíè ñ äðóãèìè ãåí. ïðîãðàììàìè ñðàâíèâàëè?

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