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Óêðàèíöû âî 2-é ìèðîâîé âîéíå / Ukrainians in WW2

Ôàêòû èëè âûäóìêà / Fact or Fiction

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michaelslobodniuk
Ó÷àñòíèê

Melbourne Australia
Ñîîáùåíèé: 61
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2012 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 11
While researching my own family history I quickly have come to the realisation that before you can find out anything you have to determine what is fact and what is fiction. My mother often talked of her life and the hardships of being displaced and the way in which survival changed many traditional views regarding the Germans and the Russians. What I now know, unfortunately after her death, that to hide the truth and hurt some of what she said was fiction. To find the truth is almost impossible. Her family has been located and spoken with on a social level. Enough evidence has been presented that these family members were in contact with my mother. My father's family is totally different. They do not exist. The details I have, which I once believed to be true, I now question. I understand that survival meant many deceptions were needed. What I can not understand is why after so many years people are unwilling to speak. Every time I seem to come closer to the information people refuse to speak or plead ignorance. The generation of Ukrainians alive today need to realise they are not responsible for what their ancestors needed to do to survive. The bureaucracy needs to realise that if they are culpable they need to make some form of reparation, symbolic or otherwise, and allow those of us who are seeking the truth about ourselves to find our sense of belonging. I read current critics challenge those of us who are relocated Ukrainians to embrace our culture,. May I say that it is not that we are not willing to embrace our culture it is that we are not allowed to by those who know the truth. We do not want a bastardised version of our heritage from a Russian perspective, We want to know the truth.We have a right to know it.We demand to know it. How about we all open up and let us decide whether we can live with it.
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Michael Slobodniuk Melbourne Australia
LuckyLuke

LuckyLuke

Ñîîáùåíèé: 945
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2012 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 1039
Many people in the nowadays Ukraine also think in the same way. However still many older people are reluctant to understand this. They don't think the knowledge of the truth is the absolute priority for the natural and progressive development.

But can you tell us about the facts, your family didn't want to reveal?

In our family luckily we used to speak openly about the most tragic pages of the past, except for some facts that were dangerous to say during the communist times (i.e. my great grandfather with his brothers took part in a local uprising against communists in 1919 - which I was unable to fully proof yet, and maybe will never be able).



Êîììåíòàðèé ìîäåðàòîðà:
Ìíîãèå â ñîâðåìåííîé Óêðàèíå òîæå òàê äóìàþò. Îäíàêî ìíîãèå ëþäè ïîñòàðøå íå õîòÿò ýòîãî ïîíèìàòü. Îíè íå äóìàþò, ÷òî çíàíèå ïðàâäû àáñîëþòíî íåîáõîäèìî äëÿ åñòåñòâåííîãî è ïðîãðåññèâíîãî ðàçâèòèÿ.

Íî, ìîæåò, Âû ïðèâåäåòå ôàêòû - Âàøà ñåìüÿ íå õî÷åò ..?

 íàøåé ñåìüå, ê ñ÷àñòüþ, îòêðûòî ãîâîðèëè î ñàìûõ òðàãè÷åñêèõ ñòðàíèöàõ ïðîøëîãî, êðîìå íåêîòîðûõ âåùåé, êîòîðûå áûëî îïàñíî óïîìèíàòü â êîììóíèñòè÷åñêèå âðåìåíà (íàïð., ìîé ïðàäåä âìåñòå ñ áðàòüÿìè ó÷àñòâîâàë â ìåñòíîì âîññòàíèè ïðîòèâ êîììóíèñòîâ â 1919 ã. - ÿ ïîêà íå ñìîã ýòî ïîäòâåðäèòü è, âîçìîæíî, íèêîãäà íå ñìîãó).

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Äíèïðî (áûâø. Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê)
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7047
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 4363
Ïåðåâîä ïåðâîãî ïîñòà:

Èññëåäóÿ èñòîðèþ ñâîåé ñåìüè, ÿ áûñòðî ïîíÿë, ÷òî ïðåæäå, ÷åì ìîæíî áóäåò ÷òî-òî íàéòè, íàäî îïðåäåëèòü, ÷òî ôàêò, à ÷òî - âûäóìêà. Ìîÿ ìàòü ÷àñòî ðàññêàçûâàëà î ñâîåé æèçíè è òÿãîòàõ ýìèãðàöèè, î òîì, êàê âûæèâàíèå ïîâëèÿëî íà ìíîãèå òðàäèöèîííûå âçãëÿäû íà íåìöåâ è ðóññêèõ. Ñåé÷àñ (ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ïîñëå åå ñìåðòè) ÿ ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî ìíîãîå èç òîãî, ÷òî îíà ãîâîðèëà, áûëî âûäóìêîé äëÿ òîãî, ÷òîáû ñêðûòü ïðàâäó è áîëü. Íàéòè ïðàâäó ïî÷òè íåâîçìîæíî. Ìû íàøëè åå ñåìüþ è îáðàòèëèñü ê íèì íà ñîöèàëüíîì óðîâíå. Áûëî ïðåäñòàâëåíî äîñòàòî÷íî äîêàçàòåëüñòâ, ÷òî ýòè ÷ëåíû ñåìüè êîíòàêòèðîâàëè ñ ìîåé ìàòåðüþ.
Ïî ñåìüå ìîåãî îòöà âñå ñîâåðøåííî èíà÷å. Èõ íåò. Òå ïîäðîáíîñòè, êîòîðûå åñòü ó ìåíÿ è ïðî êîòîðûå ÿ äóìàë, ÷òî îíè âåðíû, ñåé÷àñ âûçûâàþò ñîìíåíèå. ß ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî äëÿ âûæèâàíèÿ íóæíî áûëî ìíîãîå ñêðûâàòü. ×åãî ÿ íå ìîãó ïîíÿòü - òàê ýòî ïî÷åìó ÷åðåç ñòîëüêî ëåò ëþäè íå õîòÿò ãîâîðèòü. Êàæäûé ðàç, êîãäà ÿ, êàê êàæåòñÿ, ïðèáëèæàþñü ê ïðàâäå, ëþäè îòêàçûâàþòñÿ ãîâîðèòü èëè ccûëàþòñÿ íà íåçíàíèå. Ñîâðåìåííîå ïîêîëåíèå óêðàèíöåâ äîëæíî ïîíÿòü, ÷òî îíè íå îòâå÷àþò çà òî, ÷òî ñäåëàëè èõ ïðåäêè, ÷òîáû âûæèòü. Áþðîêðàòèÿ äîëæíà ïîíÿòü, ÷òî åñëè îíè âèíîâíû, òî îíè äîëæíû îñóùåñòâèòü èñêóïëåíèå â òîé èëè èíîé ôîðìå - ñèìâîëè÷åñêè èëè èíà÷å, è ïîçâîëèòü òåì èç íàñ, êòî èùåò ïðàâäû î ñåáå, îáðåñòè íàøå îùóùåíèå ïðèíàäëåæíîñòè. ß ÷èòàþ ñîâðåìåííóþ êðèòèêó, ïðèçûâàþùóþ óêðàèíñêóþ äèàñïîðó âåðíóòüñÿ ê ñâîåé êóëüòóðå. ß õîòåë áû ñêàçàòü, ÷òî äåëî íå â òîì, ÷òî ìû íå õîòèì âåðíóòüñÿ ê ñâîåé êóëüòóðå - íàì íå äàþò ñäåëàòü ýòî òå, êòî çíàåò ïðàâäó. Íàì íå íóæíà óñå÷åííàÿ âåðñèÿ íàøåãî íàñëåäèÿ èç ðîññèéñêîé ïåðñïåêòèâû. Ìû õîòèì çíàòü ïðàâäó. Ó íàñ åñòü ïðàâî çíàòü åå. Ìû òðåáóåì, ÷òîáû íàì äàëè óçíàòü åå.

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How about we all open up and let us decide whether we can live with it.
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Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.)
Rinita
Ó÷àñòíèê
Åêàòåðèíà

Rinita

×àñòíûé ñïåöèàëèñò

Âëàäèêàâêàç, Ðîññèÿ
Ñîîáùåíèé: 50
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2012 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 165

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How about we all open up and let us decide whether we can live with it.
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