Âàãíåð è Êåðí èç Ãëàðóñà / Wagner & Kern from Glarus
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3 èþëÿ 2013 17:25 3 èþëÿ 2013 17:28 Andrey Maslennikov íàïèñàë: [q] Peter Andrey Wagner, 1878-1838á killed. Andrey is the name of his father but during USSR epoch, it was a normal thing when people change their names in order either to escape from terror or save their own family.[/q]
Well, I think Andrey could very well be the Russian version of Heinrich. It would be great to look in his KGB file... Is it possible for foreigners? For my american "cousin" I sent inquiries from here. ---
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Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
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Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
Andrey MaslennikovÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà  Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 4200 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 2671 | Íàâåðõ ##
3 èþëÿ 2013 17:39 kbg_dnepr íàïèñàë: [q] Well, I think Andrey could very well be the Russian version of Heinrich.[/q]
I am not sure, since Heinrich is a common name, well known in Russia. In addition, there are about 5 people with Heinrich as their middle name who were killed. kbg_dnepr íàïèñàë: [q] It would be great to look in his KGB file... Is it possible for foreigners? For my american "cousin" I sent inquiries from here.[/q]
In this situation it is impossible. It could be possible if a letter will be written in Russian language, if a person will provide all docs, which are proof a direct relationship with a person which profile is requested and if the US Embassy in Moscow will provide some kind of supporting letter. Another way, that might works is that someone from Russia, will send a request asking about a particular repressed person. In this case they will at least answer and provide some general information about a requested person and his family. This is possible. Anyway, since this archive is under the regulations of the Federal Security Service they could decline any access to a particular profile due to secrecy reasons. | | |
svet_la_na Ñîîáùåíèé: 842 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2011 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 3281 | Íàâåðõ ##
3 èþëÿ 2013 23:37 Cindy1955 íàïèñàë: [q] * My Uncle Clarence Grafenstein's father David Grafenstein was born in Zurich, Russia (I believe this is a settlement close to Glarus on the Volga River). b. 26 Mar 1890 in Zurich d. 18 Apr 1963 in Sheboygan, Wisconsin married to Emilie Lutz b. 02 Oct 1893 in Anders, Russia married 25 December 1912 Christ Hichelman Eben-Aiden Lutheran Church in Zurich, Russia[/q]
Cindy1955, Âàì èçâåñòíû ïðåäêè Äàâèäà Ãðåôåíøòåéíà, ðîæäåííûå äî 1857 ãîäà? You are aware of the ancestors of David Grafenstein, which were born until 1857? | | |
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4 èþëÿ 2013 3:41 4 èþëÿ 2013 3:47 kbg_dnepr íàïèñàë: [q] kbg_dnepr íàïèñàë:
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Íó, ÿ äóìàþ, ÷òî Àíäðåé âïîëíå ìîæåò áûòü ðóññêîé âåðñèè Ãåíðèõ.
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ß íå óâåðåí, òàê êàê Ãåíðèõ ýòî îáùåå íàçâàíèå, õîðîøî èçâåñòíûé â Ðîññèè. Êðîìå òîãî, íàñ÷èòûâàåòñÿ îêîëî 5 ÷åëîâåê ñ Ãåíðèõîì, êàê èõ îò÷åñòâà ïîãèáøèõ[/q]
Ïî÷òè âñå Ãåíðèõè â Ðîññèè , îñîáåííî ïîñëå äåïîðòàöèè 1941 ãîäà ,ñòàëè Àíäðåÿìè! ---
Èâàíîâ -âîñïèòàííèê Ìîñêîâñêîãî Âîñïèòàòåëüíîãî äîìà, ó÷èòåëÿ ßðîñëàâêè,Òàñòóáû,Ìåñÿãóòîâî,Ìèàññà,Ìîñêâû .À òàêæå Æàâîðîíêîâû, Êî÷óøêîâû, Êîçüìèíû ,Ìàñëåííèêîâû Çëàòîóñòîâñêîãî óåçäà
FTDNA 249066. R1a-YP310* YF06830
http://toporov.info/webtrees/inde | | |
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Franksville, Wisconsin, USA
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4 èþëÿ 2013 4:15 Svetlana:
This is the only information I know. I am interested in hearing from you if you find out anything yourself.
David Grafenstein had a brother named Samuel and his date of birth is 21 January 1888 in Glarus. Their father's name was also Samuel.
David Grafenstein immigrated on 6 April 1914 in Baltimore, MD, and he was naturalized on 4 April 1947. The brother Samuel was married to Katherine Papst and immigrated in 1913
Best Regards,
Cindy ---
I am looking for Wagner, Kern from Glarus | | |
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4 èþëÿ 2013 7:09 4 èþëÿ 2013 7:10 Ðóñèôèêàöèÿ è òðàíñôîðìàöèÿ íåìåöêèõ èì¸í â ðóññêèå Ãoòëèá = Áoãäàí Âèëüãåëüì = Âàñèëèé Èoãàíí = Èâàí Àäoëüô = Àðêàäèé (ïoñëå 1950 ã.) ßêoá = ßêoâ Èoñèô = Oñèï Àíäðåàñ = Àíäðåé Àéãåíèé -ÿ = Åâãåíèé -ÿ Àäåëüãàéäà = Àäåëàèäà Ñåêóíäà = Åâãåíèÿ Êàñïàð = Êàðï, Êàðë Ãåoðã = Åãoð Øàðëoòòà = Øóðà, Àëåêñàíäðà Áàðáàðà = Âàðâàðà Âèëüãåëüìèíà = Ìèíà, Íèíà Ôðèäðèõ, Ôåðäèíàíä, Ôðèö = Ôåäoð Ëþäâèã = Ëåoíèä Ïàóëèíà = Ïoëèíà, Ïàâëèíà Ïàóëü = Ïàâåë Èðìà = Èðèíà Ëåo = Ëåâ Èäà = Ëèäà Ïåòåð = Ïåòð http://forum.wolgadeutsche.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2620 ---
Èâàíîâ -âîñïèòàííèê Ìîñêîâñêîãî Âîñïèòàòåëüíîãî äîìà, ó÷èòåëÿ ßðîñëàâêè,Òàñòóáû,Ìåñÿãóòîâî,Ìèàññà,Ìîñêâû .À òàêæå Æàâîðîíêîâû, Êî÷óøêîâû, Êîçüìèíû ,Ìàñëåííèêîâû Çëàòîóñòîâñêîãî óåçäà
FTDNA 249066. R1a-YP310* YF06830
http://toporov.info/webtrees/inde | | |
Andrey MaslennikovÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 4200 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 2671 | Íàâåðõ ##
4 èþëÿ 2013 7:19 âîðîïîò íàïèñàë: [q] Ïî÷òè âñå Ãåíðèõè â Ðîññèè , îñîáåííî ïîñëå äåïîðòàöèè 1941 ãîäà ,ñòàëè Àíäðåÿìè![/q]
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4 èþëÿ 2013 7:27 ---
Èâàíîâ -âîñïèòàííèê Ìîñêîâñêîãî Âîñïèòàòåëüíîãî äîìà, ó÷èòåëÿ ßðîñëàâêè,Òàñòóáû,Ìåñÿãóòîâî,Ìèàññà,Ìîñêâû .À òàêæå Æàâîðîíêîâû, Êî÷óøêîâû, Êîçüìèíû ,Ìàñëåííèêîâû Çëàòîóñòîâñêîãî óåçäà
FTDNA 249066. R1a-YP310* YF06830
http://toporov.info/webtrees/inde | | |
Andrey MaslennikovÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà Ìîñêâà Ñîîáùåíèé: 4200 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 2671 | Íàâåðõ ##
4 èþëÿ 2013 7:37 Cindy1955
First, âîðîïîò said that it was a common situation when a middle name Heinrich become Andrey for many people. In this case Peter Andrey Wagner, born 1878 is >90% your Peter. That means that if you want we need to think about hot to get his profile folder from FSB archive.
Second, he also said that the American Society of Germans from Russia exists (links provided in the previous post). They may help. | | |
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4 èþëÿ 2013 10:33 Cindy, all Volga Grafenstein have a common ancestor, who arrived in the Volga region in 1767. Grafenstein Johannes, 40, ref., Leineweber aus Garmitsas(???).
Frau Anna 46
Kinder Johannes, 12
Anna, 14
in der Kolonie eingetroffen am 23.07.1767 erhalten von Vormundschafhs kontor in saratov 1 Pferd.
1768 gab es in der Wirtschaft 1 Pferd.(I.Pleve "Einwanderung in das Wolgagebiet 1764-1767")
Cindy1955 íàïèñàë: [q] David Grafenstein had a brother named Samuel and his date of birth is 21 January 1888 in Glarus. Their father's name was also Samuel.
David Grafenstein immigrated on 6 April 1914 in Baltimore, MD, and he was naturalized on 4 April 1947. The brother Samuel was married to Katherine Papst and immigrated in 1913[/q]
Samuel Grafenstein remained to live in Zurich ? | | |
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