Looking For A Marriage Record

Good morning,
I was able to get Mikhail Nietchaieff's immigration file.
Here is what is said for his parents: Grigoriy was born in 1849 in Moscow and died in 1918 in Kovno and Maria Tolstoy at Salovo castle in Moguileff on June 26, 1857.
In summary, Grigoriy was born on January 5, 1853 then on September 5, 1854 according to his wife Maria Tolstoy then in 1849 according to his son but always in Moscow. Both still agree on a death in 1918 in Kovno (I am still waiting for the return of the archives of Lithuania).
I couldn't find any information about the Salovo castle or any castle in Mogilev.

I also saw that Mikhail added Pietrovsky as a nickname. What does it mean ?

I also spotted the following addresses: 22 Tarasovska Street, kyiv, Ukraine. What address is that today? I thought it might be this one: Tarasivska St, 22, Kyiv, Ukraine
and 13 villa noblesse, Poland, but there I have no leads.

I do not know if this information can be useful or can lead us to a track but here it is anyway.

oh I think Maria got married in 1877 in Tchaoussy. In his immigration file, it is marked the following thing: "Tchaïssy vers 1877" which mean Tchaïssy around 1877.
At the beginning, I thought it was her birthdate with a mistake but in fact it's here marriage date. There is a photo of her child who bothers the title. I will investigate it

>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя OlgaKob от 26 августа 2023 17:44

]what I read as an S would actually be a Y and would therefore be Yalovo? How do you know which Count Tolstoy the estate belonged to?

>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя OlgaKob от 26 августа 2023 21:23

The first time I saw Countess Tolstoy talking about Maria Danilovna was in a newspaper clipping about her son's wedding. The extract also said that Mikhail was a nephew of Leo Tolstoy. The second time was when I saw her passport where her name was Countess Tolstoy Marie widow Nietchaïeff. And finally in her immigration file, her last name is written with the title of countess.

I have absolutely no idea how she got the title and the name Tolstoy. Maybe for X reason she was adopted by the couple Daniel Siniavsky Nedzia Kossova

For the archives, I would also like to be able to access them. I have already contacted the Belarusian archives to obtain Maria Tolstoy's birth certificate but no response yet. I know that the archives were closed for requests but open for appointments. I could also ask for the marriage certificate since I have the year now.

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>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя OlgaKob от 26 августа 2023 21:23

The first time I saw Countess Tolstoy talking about Maria Danilovna was in a newspaper clipping about her son's wedding. The extract also said that Mikhail was a nephew of Leo Tolstoy. The second time was when I saw her passport where her name was Countess Tolstoy Marie widow Nietchaïeff. And finally in her immigration file, her last name is written with the title of countess.

I have absolutely no idea how she got the title and the name Tolstoy. Maybe for X reason she was adopted by the couple Daniel Siniavsky Nedzia Kossova

For the archives, I would also like to be able to access them. I have already contacted the Belarusian archives to obtain Maria Tolstoy's birth certificate but no response yet. I know that the archives were closed for requests but open for appointments. I could also ask for the marriage certificate since I have the year now.

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The story still doesn't add up completely, at least for me. I would take it with a grain of salt. Newpapers are not the most reliable source. I failed to see any title in the immigration cert. You mentioned a passport. Was it issued in the Russian Empire, or was it obtained by her abroad?

Let's speculate a bit. If Maria was born countess Tolstoy, why would she then keep the paternal name of Danilovna which belonged to a Chausy merchant? It can't be explained by the possibility of adoption, since then there would be no need of hiding her true paternity as a nee Tolstoy and just go as a step-daughter. The Counts Tolstoy are pretty renowned and established family in Russia, courtiers, and they hardly needed merchants to take care of their orphans.
Plus, why would a Tolstoy, born into the Mogilev branch, bring about Leo Tolstoy as a close relation, when in reality the branches are quite far apart? I don't quite get, was Michail Nechaev, the father of Grigory Nechaev, claimed to be a nephew of Leo Tolstoy? It doesn't seem like a legit fact. There is a possibility of that she was somehow an illigitimate Tolstoy or said to be one by the Sinyavsky family.
Anyway, I think that only Belarusian or Russian archivial documents can clarify this. You're in need of a good genealogist in Belarus.