Looking For A Marriage Record

>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя OlgaKob от 26 августа 2023 17:44

]what I read as an S would actually be a Y and would therefore be Yalovo? How do you know which Count Tolstoy the estate belonged to?

>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя OlgaKob от 26 августа 2023 21:23

The first time I saw Countess Tolstoy talking about Maria Danilovna was in a newspaper clipping about her son's wedding. The extract also said that Mikhail was a nephew of Leo Tolstoy. The second time was when I saw her passport where her name was Countess Tolstoy Marie widow Nietchaïeff. And finally in her immigration file, her last name is written with the title of countess.

I have absolutely no idea how she got the title and the name Tolstoy. Maybe for X reason she was adopted by the couple Daniel Siniavsky Nedzia Kossova

For the archives, I would also like to be able to access them. I have already contacted the Belarusian archives to obtain Maria Tolstoy's birth certificate but no response yet. I know that the archives were closed for requests but open for appointments. I could also ask for the marriage certificate since I have the year now.

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>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя OlgaKob от 26 августа 2023 21:23

The first time I saw Countess Tolstoy talking about Maria Danilovna was in a newspaper clipping about her son's wedding. The extract also said that Mikhail was a nephew of Leo Tolstoy. The second time was when I saw her passport where her name was Countess Tolstoy Marie widow Nietchaïeff. And finally in her immigration file, her last name is written with the title of countess.

I have absolutely no idea how she got the title and the name Tolstoy. Maybe for X reason she was adopted by the couple Daniel Siniavsky Nedzia Kossova

For the archives, I would also like to be able to access them. I have already contacted the Belarusian archives to obtain Maria Tolstoy's birth certificate but no response yet. I know that the archives were closed for requests but open for appointments. I could also ask for the marriage certificate since I have the year now.

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The story still doesn't add up completely, at least for me. I would take it with a grain of salt. Newpapers are not the most reliable source. I failed to see any title in the immigration cert. You mentioned a passport. Was it issued in the Russian Empire, or was it obtained by her abroad?

Let's speculate a bit. If Maria was born countess Tolstoy, why would she then keep the paternal name of Danilovna which belonged to a Chausy merchant? It can't be explained by the possibility of adoption, since then there would be no need of hiding her true paternity as a nee Tolstoy and just go as a step-daughter. The Counts Tolstoy are pretty renowned and established family in Russia, courtiers, and they hardly needed merchants to take care of their orphans.
Plus, why would a Tolstoy, born into the Mogilev branch, bring about Leo Tolstoy as a close relation, when in reality the branches are quite far apart? I don't quite get, was Michail Nechaev, the father of Grigory Nechaev, claimed to be a nephew of Leo Tolstoy? It doesn't seem like a legit fact. There is a possibility of that she was somehow an illigitimate Tolstoy or said to be one by the Sinyavsky family.
Anyway, I think that only Belarusian or Russian archivial documents can clarify this. You're in need of a good genealogist in Belarus.

me neither I don't understand. Her surname is Danil so his father is supposed to be Daniel Tolstoy except that there is no Danil Tolstoy. On the other hand in her immigration file Maria put as mother Nedzia Siniavska-Kossova. Then there was the wedding of Alexandra Danilovna Siniavska. From there I was able to understand that the father was Daniel Siniavsky and the mother Nedzia Kossova except that at no time did Maria say that it was Daniel Siniavsky her father. She never wrote her last name. What we know about his father is that he was born in 1826 in Moscow.
I add Maria's passport but I don't know much more. I was just wondering if it was a piece of a Nansen passport.

Excuse me for the confusion but Mikhail Netchaiev is the son of Grigoriy Netchaiev and Maria Tolstoy. At his marriage he was claimed to be Lev Tolstoy's nephew by his mother Maria Tolstoy. Grigoriy Netchaiev is the son of another Mikhail Netchaiev from Moscow. That's all I know about them for now.



I will look at all the links you provided me. Thanks for your help. This story is complicated.

As for the passport, what you've taken for a title, it looks like a note. At least, it doesn't read 'comtesse'. There's a letter looking like a G and some superscripts. And, what I've noticed that the ink of the 'title' is different, it even looks printed together with the form before filling in the person's info.
Anyway, it's not a Russian document. Didn't they have any papers left from Russia?