Фотографии военных

>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя VC от 12 мая 2020 5:28

I'm waiting to hear if there is anything on the back, but I'm not sure there is. There is only a stamp on the bottom of the photo from the studio (presumably in Helsinki.) There is actually another photo that would have been taken earlier I think (based on the dates you previously gave for the uniforms and the dress my great great grandmother is wearing) that is badly damaged.

I think you may be right that they are not the same person, but he definitely must be related because my great grandmother and her sisters resemble him.

Unfortunately, I have no other information about the Jurkin family. Until now, we weren't even sure that was the version of the name he used because one daughter used Jurkela and the others used Jurkin. (Although I'm going to look into the Alexander Jurkin listed in the registry.) Learning he was a merchant in Finland and that he was murdered there is the only new information we have found for him in years. When I try to search from here in the United States, I don't get search results for anything. I really appreciate you looking him up. Every little bit of new information helps so thank you!

The only other name I can associate with him is his widow's maiden surname, Raatikainen. I do not know how they met or where. She is listed with different names in different records: Anna Sofia, Sofia, Alma Sofia, Sofia Antonowna. I have trouble finding information on their daughters, too: Pola/Apollinaria/Apolinadia (the Finnish records are the first time we have heard of any name being used other than Pola), Xenia, Maria/Mania/Marie.

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Other records from Helsinki show that prior to his moving to Helsinki in 1908, he was in Vietka, Belarus.

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I looked at the doc once more. Are you sure that this is Vjetka in modern Belarus and not the city and the province of Vjatka in modern Russia? It looks like in some early XX century foreign language (for example German) sources the city of Vjatka was sometimes written as Vjetka.
The "birthplace" section of the doc says "Vjetka g..", then something else followed by "Kstininskaja vol...". The Russian word for province is "guberniya" (губерния) and the word for the lowest administrative level territory below county is "volost" (волость). I could be mistaken but it seems to me that whoever wrote it just transliterated the Russian text and they meant "Vjatka guberniya (or governorate), .. Kstininskaja volost". Russian wiki for the Vyatka county does list such volost (Кстининская):
Вятский уезд
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyatka_Governorate

>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя VC от 13 мая 2020 20:55


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Yes, seems to be the photo studio "Ortho" in Helsinki. I found other pictures that were taken there.

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Most of the photos we have from this time were all taken at various studios in Helsinki so that's not surprising.


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Most probably the second picture has also been taken during the WW1. The resolution is too low to see shoulder boards and whether he has any badges that can give additional info. If you or someone else has access to these pictures is it possible to scan shoulder boards and badges with the 1200 dpi resolution? Or at least the whole photo with the 600 dpi? It would be nice to figure out the number on shoulder boards. Both of these guys have the rank of podporuchik (second lieutenant). During the war all officers were released from military schools with the lower rank of praporschik (ensign) after 3-4 months courses. The higher rank indicates that they either studied for 2 years in a military school before that war or already had one promotion during the war. Both these things increase chances that they can be found. It's also the reason why I think neither of them is Michael Jurkin - they both spent significant time in the military.

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I had my aunt scan the photos at 1200 dpi and send it to me so I could work on it in Photoshop, but I never could get the boards that clear. I'll try it again. In the photo with the 2 men, the man seated definitely looked like his boards read 428 or 426. I'll work on them and crop the area to post (I was going to attach the higher resolution versions but they were too large.)


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Just use various spellings of his name from the documents you have and add Helsinki or Helsingfors to narrow down your search results.
BTW. It seems he was buried at the Hietaniemi cemetery. This page mentions his and his wife names:
5.Михаил Васильевич Юркин 15.09.1880 – 18.02.1916 и Алма Софиа 1882 - 1961 Канада
https://forum.vgd.ru/348/18052/

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Thank you for this because I've been checking the various grave websites and hadn't found it! When I put his name in Google, I pretty much get no results. Same for the rest of the family. I don't know if that is because I'm mainly getting English results or what. But I also don't have luck using Ancestry.com, Geni.com, Familysearch.org, etc. The Finnish archive sites don't even come up in my Google results.


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That's a common problem. They are probably listed under husbands last names in later documents.

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I think the biggest problem is that most of them left Finland. They went to school outside of Finland as girls, at least one in Belgium but I'm not sure when, where, or for how long they were away. One of the daughters, Marie, never married and moved to Canada. Xenia married a politician Eino Ilmari Raune (previously Riihimaki), he died in the 1950s. My great grandmother, Pola, supposedly traveled to Canada with a dance company in the late 1920s. She met her Finnish husband (Yrjo/George Karttunen/Kare) in the United States got married and stayed in the US, later divorced, then died in the 1950s.

>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя VC от 15 мая 2020 2:56


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I only found his grave mentioned on that page. So it needs to be verified. Unfortunately the person who posted this info hasn't been on the forum since 2015 so I can't ask what was the original source.

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I have a person in Finland who has been helping look up records for me. He said he's going to get that book from the library and also check out the cemetery for the gravesite.

Let me know if these photos work. I can always email them to you if you'd prefer.

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Let me know if these photos work.

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Yes, it's better. It's the 428 Lodeynopolsky regiment for sure. Besides the number I also found multiple documents that mention this regiment being stationed in Helsinki (Helsingfors) at the end of the war. As I mentioned in the past the second officer wears the badge of the Alexander military school (Moscow) but unfortunately his shoulder boards don't have any numerals so we can't say which unit he is assigned to.

The second photo is the tough one. It's hard to see but I did not notice any insignia on shoulder boards. Just the single stripe. Could be a captain in this case. It could also be a civilian official (chinovnik) employed by the army. Such category of officials performed non-combat administrative functions (auditors, accountants, etc) and held civilian ranks. They also wore uniforms but had narrower shoulder boards to indicate their status. It's hard to judge the width in this case.
There are two badges but I can't figure out what they are. The lower one could be the badge of Alexey military school (also Moscow) but I could be wrong. There seems to be some kind of dark bow or ribbon under the top one. It might be the red ribbon that became very popular in Russia after the so called February Revolution and Nicolas II abdication in 1917.

I looked through some docs related to 428 regiment in the WW1 database:
https://gwar.mil.ru/army/833/
One contained the list of all officers (over 80) that joined this unit when it was initially formed. No Jurkins or Raatikainens/Ratikainens. Later officers where coming and going. Most docs are handwritten so I didn't have time to look through all of them.

I couldn't find any Raatikainens mentioned among officers in any available sources. Found several Jurkins but all of them served in other units and finished other schools. There is one Alexander who finished Nikolay Engineering School (Николаевское инженерное училище) in St. Petersburg on September 15th 1916. Probably later served in a sapper or some other engineer unit. Unfortunately only the name is listed without any additional info so it could be just a coincidence.